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"EL SEGUNDO, Calif. and BEAVERTON, Ore., Dec. 2 /PRNewswire/ -- The Digital Living Network Alliance (DLNA) today announced the addition of DIRECTV as the newest Promoter Member within the organization. DIRECTV, the world's largest pay TV provider, joins existing DLNA Promoter Members in implementing the Alliance's vision of connecting the digital home with DLNA Certified® products, allowing consumers to easily enjoy, manage and share photos, video and music across devices, regardless of manufacturer."
Maybe DirecTV saw the poll that had the vast majority of folks here saying to dump ViiV and go with DLNA for Media Share:D
Stuart Sweet
12-02-09, 10:45 AM
It would certainly seem so, wouldn't it.
Doug Brott
12-02-09, 11:00 AM
DLNA Adds DIRECTV as Newest Promoter Member
Addition of the World's Largest Pay TV Provider Expands Alliance's Service Provider Leadership
EL SEGUNDO, Calif. and BEAVERTON, Ore., Dec. 2 /PRNewswire/ -- The Digital Living Network Alliance (DLNA) today announced the addition of DIRECTV as the newest Promoter Member within the organization. DIRECTV, the world's largest pay TV provider, joins existing DLNA Promoter Members in implementing the Alliance's vision of connecting the digital home with DLNA Certified® products, allowing consumers to easily enjoy, manage and share photos, video and music across devices, regardless of manufacturer.
"For consumers today, DLNA's vision of a fully connected, digital home experience is achieved through the integration of DLNA Certified® devices and services from DLNA service provider member companies," said Scott Smyers, chairman of the DLNA board of directors and senior vice president of Sony Electronics Inc. "The addition of DIRECTV as DLNA's latest Promoter Member illustrates our Alliance's increasing work with the service provider market worldwide and strengthens our commitment to providing consumers with a seamless experience throughout their digital lives."
"DIRECTV led the digital television revolution in the 1990's with the first all-digital, high-power DBS service, earning an Emmy Award for 'Pioneering Achievement in Direct Broadcast Television' and led the HD revolution in the 2000's with many firsts as well, including a Technology & Engineering Emmy Award for 'Pioneering development of MPEG-4 AVC systems for HDTV,'" said Romulo Pontual, DIRECTV's chief technology officer. "We are now setting our sights on the 'Connected Home' and see our participation in DLNA and other organizations such as the RVU Alliance as important steps towards the widespread adoption of interoperable and standards-based solutions for consumers."
DLNA is comprised of hundreds of members united by a common goal of using standards-based technology to make it easier for consumers to use, share and enjoy their digital content. Promoter Members are appointed by the Alliance's board of directors and play an essential role within the organization by chairing the committees that develop, revise and ratify the Design Guidelines. For more information about DLNA, please visit www.DLNA.org.
About DIRECTV
DIRECTV, Inc., the nation's No. 1 satellite television service, presents the finest television experience available to more than 18.3 million customers in the United States and is leading the HD revolution with more than 130 HD channels - more quality HD channels than any other television provider. Each day, DIRECTV subscribers enjoy access to over 265 channels of 100% digital picture and sound, exclusive programming, industry-leading customer satisfaction (which has surpassed all national cable companies for nine years running) and superior technologies that include advanced DVR and HD-DVR services and the most state-of-the-art interactive sports packages available anywhere. For the most up-to-date information on DIRECTV, please visit directv.com.
About DLNA
Members of Digital Living Network Alliance (DLNA) share a vision of an interoperable network of personal computers (PC), consumer electronics (CE), mobile devices and service providers in and beyond the home, enabling a seamless environment for sharing and growing new digital media and content services. Founded in 2003, the group established and maintains a platform of interoperability based on open and established industry standards that, when used by manufacturers will support the sharing of media through wired or wireless networks. More than 200 multi-industry companies from around the world have joined DLNA, committing the time and resources necessary to achieve their vision. DLNA's 2009 Promoter Members include: ACCESS, Awox, Broadcom, Cisco, Comcast, DIRECTV, Ericsson, HP, Huawei, Intel, JVC Kenwood Holdings, LG, Microsoft, Motorola, Nokia, NXP, Panasonic, Philips, Pioneer, Rovi Corporation, Samsung, Sharp, Sony and Toshiba. Additional information about the Alliance, its participating companies and membership benefits is available at www.dlna.org.
SOURCE Digital Living Network Alliance
Looks like we may be able to soon check off another long-standing Wish List request:
"Digital Living Network Alliance" certification of features intended to interoperate with other DLNA-compliant products.
Maybe, just maybe, that means one day that Media Share will move out of beta;)
Oh boy, this looks fantastic to me! Show me my Media Share baby!
Thaedron
12-02-09, 11:51 AM
Maybe, just maybe, that means one day that Media Share will move out of beta;)
Waiting patiently for that day (just not holding my breath). :D
Waiting patiently for that day (just not holding my breath). :D
This puts it a lot closer, I think. :)
kevinturcotte
12-02-09, 12:04 PM
I take it this would just require a software update then, and not new hardware (Not really sure how exactly DLNA works)?
I take it this would just require a software update then, and not new hardware (Not really sure how exactly DLNA works)?
I'm hopeful.
I wonder if this might allow future integration with the PS3. That "whole home" solution is getting closer.
Draconis
12-02-09, 01:05 PM
This is going to make things interesting, I hope they have some examples of this at CES but it may be too soon.
You know, maybe this will bring back a form of DIRECTV2Go. I know I'm in the minority here but I would like to be able to send some of my DIRECTV programming to my Zune/iPhone when I'm on the road.
This is going to make things interesting, I hope they have some examples of this at CES but it may be too soon.
IIRC it's been said that DirecTV won't be at CES this year.
rudeney
12-02-09, 01:20 PM
I just hope all the MediaShare issues will go away so it will be truly usable. I may be a little pessimistic, but I''m afraid the problems might not be with ViiV as much as they are with the software itself. Then again, maybe DLNA will be easier for the programmers to deal with and thus make things better. I hope!
ptuck874
12-02-09, 01:31 PM
I wonder if this might allow future integration with the PS3. That "whole home" solution is getting closer.
first thing that popped in my mind as well, shoot able to stream to ps3 with the ps3 media server all movie .iso i stored, now to get directv stuff in there as well will be sweet :) it already "sees" it, but can't read it :)
Doug Brott
12-02-09, 01:34 PM
IIRC it's been said that DirecTV won't be at CES this year.
This is correct.
I just hope all the MediaShare issues will go away so it will be truly usable. I may be a little pessimistic, but I''m afraid the problems might not be with ViiV as much as they are with the software itself. Then again, maybe DLNA will be easier for the programmers to deal with and thus make things better. I hope!
Up until today I shared your pessimism. This has been lingering for so long, I think since Viiv died, DirecTV has probably been working legal issues in order to implement a better solution, or so I humbly assume, and perhaps they finally shut the door on this so they can make it what it should be. I hope! :)
slimoli
12-02-09, 02:31 PM
I hope the bitrate restriction disappears. No HD , no Media Sharing for me.
wilbur_the_goose
12-02-09, 02:34 PM
Don't get too excited about DLNA. My PS3 has it, and it's never really worked to get media from Windows 7 PC.
Don't get too excited about DLNA. My PS3 has it, and it's never really worked to get media from Windows 7 PC.But it could work talking to an application like Nero MediaHome running under 7.
I have an LG BD390 (http://www.lge.com/us/tv-audio-video/video/LG-blu-ray-dvd-player-BD390.jsp) Bluray player that is DNLA compliant that plays just about any audio or video I can throw at it with no transcoding required. It syncs with Nero MediaHome (included with the player) across the network (wired or wirelessly), or to directly connected USB sticks or USB hard drives. It also streams Netflix, Vudu, YouTube, etc. Great player for ~$250.
Don't get too excited about DLNA. My PS3 has it, and it's never really worked to get media from Windows 7 PC.
Is that with Windows Media Player?
rudeney
12-02-09, 02:58 PM
But it could work talking to an application like Nero MediaHome running under 7.
I have an LG BD390 (http://www.lge.com/us/tv-audio-video/video/LG-blu-ray-dvd-player-BD390.jsp) Bluray player that is DNLA compliant that plays just about any audio or video I can throw at it with no transcoding required. It syncs with Nero MediaHome (included with the player) across the network (wired or wirelessly), or to directly connected USB sticks or USB hard drives. It also streams Netflix, Vudu, YouTube, etc. Great player for ~$250.
I do hope that D*'s implementation is just as good. That would be a very good thing.
ptuck874
12-02-09, 03:05 PM
Don't get too excited about DLNA. My PS3 has it, and it's never really worked to get media from Windows 7 PC.
thats weird, maybe not configured correctly? or something, as long as my pc is on, the ps3 will play anything in the shared folder, even .mov videos from the camera....
hdtvfan0001
12-02-09, 03:10 PM
I see the adoption of industry standards as a good thing.
It not only stablizes the use of the technology, but promotes best practices for its deployment.
Good news.
CraigerCSM
12-02-09, 05:51 PM
Does this mean that DTV HD Dual Tuners will start showing up inside PC's? Or have the HD Receivers hook up to the PC and then you could use the PC's TV Guide and hard drive as the DTV Guide to record shows?
celticpride
12-02-09, 06:51 PM
I'm very dissapointed to hear that directv wont be at ces this year,I was hoping to see and get more information on the new directv tivo,now i wonder if it''l even come out in the 1st QT. like they said earlier this year.
Tom Robertson
12-02-09, 07:10 PM
Does this mean that DTV HD Dual Tuners will start showing up inside PC's? Or have the HD Receivers hook up to the PC and then you could use the PC's TV Guide and hard drive as the DTV Guide to record shows?
Most likely not--at least not as a "source". In theory, a DLNA controller might be able to schedule a tuner. But I don't know if that is expected.
I do expect that fully DLNA media players will be able to play content--but there are very, very few out there. Most leave off the DTCP-IP option, so can't guarantee the security of the data.
PS3s just got DTCP-IP. Hopefully they will soon be able to play content.
And DIRECTV2PC already can play content on PCs.
Cheers,
Tom
machavez00
12-02-09, 07:11 PM
EyeConnect for the Mac is DLNA and UPnP compliant, so I for one am hopeful.
http://www.elgato.com/elgato/na/mainmenu/products/software/EyeConnect/viewProduct/0/image_en/elows_int_eyeonnect_title_en.jpg
Tom Robertson
12-02-09, 07:12 PM
EyeConnect for the Mac is DLNA and UPnP compliant, so I for one am hopeful.
http://www.elgato.com/elgato/na/mainmenu/products/software/EyeConnect/viewProduct/0/image_en/elows_int_eyeonnect_title_en.jpg
But does it support DTCP-IP? (It didn't the last time I looked awhile ago.)
Cheers,
Tom
machavez00
12-02-09, 07:15 PM
PS3s just got DTCP-IP. Hopefully they will soon be able to play content.
Cheers,
Tom
Is that why the Netflix released it's streaming beta for the PS3? Works quite nicely, the only thing it's not DD 5.1
Tom Robertson
12-02-09, 07:39 PM
Is that why the Netflix released it's streaming beta for the PS3? Works quite nicely, the only thing it's not DD 5.1
Don't know for certain, but very well could be.
Cheers,
Tom
Haven't read this (http://blog.pomelollc.com/2009/04/15/on-netflixs-video-streaming-security-framework/) thoroughly, but looks like Netflix may be using a proprietary DRM from Microsoft for streaming.
Tom Servo
12-03-09, 12:53 AM
So what would be the actual differences in using DNLA versus Viiv for Media Share?
This is an area of technology on which I am sadly lacking in knowledge.
bonscott87
12-03-09, 08:19 AM
So what would be the actual differences in using DNLA versus Viiv for Media Share?
This is an area of technology on which I am sadly lacking in knowledge.
Well, Media Share already uses DLNA otherwise servers like Tversity and PlayOn wouldn't work. But it currently doesn't fully support it thus why things like trick play don't work. To me all this means is that they can move forward with fully supporting DLNA.
Draconis
12-03-09, 10:07 AM
IIRC it's been said that DirecTV won't be at CES this year.
Again? <sigh>
Oh well.
slimoli
12-03-09, 10:58 AM
Don't get too excited about DLNA. My PS3 has it, and it's never really worked to get media from Windows 7 PC.
Did you try PS3 Media Server ? I can play everything and it works great, inclusing HD movies captured by my Hauppauge 1212.
Darcaine
12-03-09, 11:39 AM
Is that why the Netflix released it's streaming beta for the PS3? Works quite nicely, the only thing it's not DD 5.1
The deal behind that is Microsoft has an exclusivity agreement with Netflix that states that Netflix won't put it's streaming software on the front end of competing hardware, but Netflix and Sony teamed up and found a way around the agreement by using a Blu-Ray disc for the Netflix software instead of installing it to the Cross Media Bar. That's why you are required to have a Blu-Ray disc in PS3 unlike 360, until next year when the exclusivity ends.
At least that was the reason I last read, it's been a few weeks so I don't know if that news has changed.
I too use PS3 Media Share for my PS3 on windows 7. Tversity refuses to work no matter what I do, so i just switched to PS3 Media share, I just wish it worked for my HR20.
bobnielsen
12-03-09, 11:43 AM
I too use PS3 Media Share for my PS3 on windows 7. Tversity refuses to work no matter what I do, so i just switched to PS3 Media share, I just wish it worked for my HR20.
What issues are you having with the HR20? Mine can see both WMP12 and Tversity on my Windows 7 machine.
What issues are you having with the HR20? Mine can see both WMP12 and Tversity on my Windows 7 machine.
Sorry to butt in, but both my HR20 and HR21 lockup when I used any media sever (Viiv, WMP [XP, Vista, Win 7], TVersity [XP, Vista, Win 7]) when I try Photos -> Shuffle All (that is if it can get that far) at about the 1 minute mark into shuffling photos. I then have to RBR the STBs. My STBs are in a media closet at least one floor down (two at most) making that highly inconvenient. :( This DNLA support announcement I hope will change this for me.
bonscott87
12-03-09, 01:22 PM
There are a lot of problem with Windows 7 (imagine that) with DLNA in general, especially on the 64 bit version. The PlayOn forums are littered with posts about it.
Tom Robertson
12-03-09, 03:01 PM
So what would be the actual differences in using DNLA versus Viiv for Media Share?
This is an area of technology on which I am sadly lacking in knowledge.
ViiV and DLNA have similar roots, UPnP technologies. But Intel put some "optional" features into UPnP for things like trickplay that basically only ViiV used. I believe DLNA also supports those options, but again, few players or servers actually support those options.
Cheers,
Tom
ViiV and DLNA have similar roots, UPnP technologies. But Intel put some "optional" features into UPnP for things like trickplay that basically only ViiV used. I believe DLNA also supports those options, but again, few players or servers actually support those options.
Cheers,
Tom
They will though, once the DNLA version of a DirecTV box hits the streets, you watch!
Jeremy W
12-03-09, 08:16 PM
In theory, a DLNA controller might be able to schedule a tuner. But I don't know if that is expected.
They've already got the capability (H2x to HR2x scheduling), it's just a matter of having the proper interface on the client.
They've already got the capability (H2x to HR2x scheduling), it's just a matter of having the proper interface on the client.
Is it DLNA compatible?
Jeremy W
12-04-09, 01:49 PM
Is it DLNA compatible?
As far as I know, yes.
cbeckner80
12-04-09, 02:13 PM
thats weird, maybe not configured correctly? or something, as long as my pc is on, the ps3 will play anything in the shared folder, even .mov videos from the camera....
Mine too. I use it often for music and slides. Don't fool with the movies much, but have had success with it when I have done it.
As far as I know, yes.
So spill, what do you know? :p
Jeremy W
12-04-09, 02:35 PM
So spill, what do you know? :p
I know that everything involved with streaming recordings from the DVR is DLNA-compliant. I haven't looked into the scheduling capabilities, but I have no reason to believe they wouldn't be, since everything else is.
Tom Robertson
12-04-09, 03:27 PM
I know that everything involved with streaming recordings from the DVR is DLNA-compliant. I haven't looked into the scheduling capabilities, but I have no reason to believe they wouldn't be, since everything else is.
Actually that is not a true statement... While there is a lot of truthiness, there are a few tiny non-compliant bits as well.
Cheers,
Tom
I know that everything involved with streaming recordings from the DVR is DLNA-compliant. I haven't looked into the scheduling capabilities, but I have no reason to believe they wouldn't be, since everything else is.
Actually that is not a true statement... While there is a lot of truthiness, there are a few tiny non-compliant bits as well.
Cheers,
Tom
I haven't reconciled it entirely, but there are areas that are not compliant, while the majority are, at least when I was studying while I was getting anomalies with media share testing.
Tom Robertson
12-04-09, 04:11 PM
I haven't reconciled it entirely, but there are areas that are not compliant, while the majority are, at least when I was studying while I was getting anomalies with media share testing.
My uncertain belief was the Media Share stuff does not use non-compliant features, but does use lesser known options. And does not include some of the more common (perhaps required) options.
Cheers,
Tom
mkstretch
12-10-09, 04:10 PM
This is going to make things interesting, I hope they have some examples of this at CES but it may be too soon.
You know, maybe this will bring back a form of DIRECTV2Go. I know I'm in the minority here but I would like to be able to send some of my DIRECTV programming to my Zune/iPhone when I'm on the road.
This is what I need. Dish does it, Tivo does it. Its the iPod portable media player world. I think its a must have.
Will this work better with TVeristy and PlaON?
bobnielsen
12-11-09, 07:24 PM
Will this work better with TVeristy and PlaON?
It should. MS works pretty well with Tversity now (I haven't used Playon), but the addition of trick play would be a big improvement. More codecs would also be nice.
dengland
12-12-09, 09:47 AM
You know, maybe this will bring back a form of DIRECTV2Go. I know I'm in the minority here but I would like to be able to send some of my DIRECTV programming to my Zune/iPhone when I'm on the road.
Amen. I keep a couple of HDVR2s around just to have content for my iPhone on trips. MRV is nice, but I would get more milage out "directv2go". I duplicate season passes on the HR20 with the HDVR2 because sometimes I watch at home and sometimes away. (OK, really I want to keep MRV too)
Amen. I keep a couple of HDVR2s around just to have content for my iPhone on trips. MRV is nice, but I would get more milage out "directv2go". I duplicate season passes on the HR20 with the HDVR2 because sometimes I watch at home and sometimes away. (OK, really I want to keep MRV too)
I just put a Slingbox Solo on a H21 that's network connect and then have access to all my DVR's content when remote.
dengland
12-12-09, 11:42 AM
I just put a Slingbox Solo on a H21 that's network connect and then have access to all my DVR's content when remote.
Sounds like a good solution. When they have wifi on the planes, that will be perfect.
Sounds like a good solution. When they have wifi on the planes, that will be perfect.
A couple months ago I was on an American MD80 that they had just put WiFi on, I was tempted to try it but decided spending the $'s wasn't worth it just try give it a test.
machavez00
12-12-09, 01:20 PM
It should. MS works pretty well with Tversity now (I haven't used Playon), but the addition of trick play would be a big improvement. More codecs would also be nice.
MP4 video support alone would help 99.99% of us. Most SD and HD flash camcorders record in MP4. iMovie's Apple TV export option is MP4
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