3d programming

[usmcbob55]

I just got off the phone with retention (inquiring about getting a deal on a new HD DVR) and I was told a very surprising thing. I apologize if this has been mentioned before, but the CSR told me DirecTV will be offering 3d programming by the end of 2010.

I stated that I may get a new TV for Christmas and he told me that I should make sure it's 3D compatible. I gave no inclination that I intended to cancel so I didn't require rectal smooching. For that reason I don't believe he was blowing smoke. I didn't think I was a rube. Am I one for believing this? CSRs in retention don't usually BS.

PS he also stated that they will light up the 15 new HD channels around the 15th of January.

[taz291819]

I doubt the 15 HD channels by January 15th. I do believe they'll have at least 1 3D channel, and probably some PPV/VOD also in 3D. Sky is gearing up for it now.

[usmcbob55]

I guess I'm the only FIRED UP! about this.

[ndole]

This sounds AWSOME! Can anyone find any other details?

[LarryFlowers]

Great! 3D TV!

I can see the millions putting on their 3d glasses to sit down for an evening of TV!

As long as 3D TV requires glasses it shall remain a "geek" item.

[twistedT]

They could offer up 15 HD channels after Sunday ticket.... If D-12 goes up without a hitch! :D

[JoeTheDragon]

They could offer up 15 HD channels after Sunday ticket.... If D-12 goes up without a hitch! :D

I think MSNBC HD is a lock or at least a olympic only feed + other 2010 olympic only HD channels last time where 2 added HD channels + HD mix.

maybe this year there can be 4+ Olympic only HD + mix HD.

[taz291819]

Great! 3D TV!

I can see the millions putting on their 3d glasses to sit down for an evening of TV!

As long as 3D TV requires glasses it shall remain a "geek" item.

3D in the cinemas has really started to take off. Also, the type of glasses you'll need depends on which method your 3D-Ready display uses. (Yes, you'll still need a 3D-Ready display). The majority on the market use the checkerboard pattern, which require LCD shutter glasses. Theaters use circular polarized glasses, which new displays will be coming out next year that supports those.

3D will not become the norm for everyday TV viewing. It'll be for movies, sports, and gaming (the PS3 is getting a firmware update next year with 3D support). Your primetime TV shows will still be produced in 2D, like normal. So really, the glasses aren't a big deal.

[JerryElbow]

3D in the cinemas has really started to take off. Also, the type of glasses you'll need depends on which method your 3D-Ready display uses. (Yes, you'll still need a 3D-Ready display). The majority on the market use the checkerboard pattern, which require LCD shutter glasses. Theaters use circular polarized glasses, which new displays will be coming out next year that supports those.
So which format will be broadcast, the one using LCD shutter glasses or the one using circular polarized glasses? The last I read, the HDTV industry hadn't really settle on a single technology. And if you're going to insist that everyone run out and buy a new HDTV to get 3D, I think you're going to find that 3D is going to be a major bust in homes. Look how long it's taken us to have HDTV reach even the level of popularity that it now has!

3D will not become the norm for everyday TV viewing. It'll be for movies, sports, and gaming... Your primetime TV shows will still be produced in 2D, like normal. So really, the glasses aren't a big deal.
I'm not sure how this would benefit sports broadcasts. If the subject is more than 10 or 20 feet from your eyes, you no longer have a significant parallax difference between the left and right eyes, so the apparent distance is judged by focus, not by parallax. How many sports do we have that allow cameras to be 2 or 3 feet from the action? Chess matches? Arm wrestling? Now, you can have the 3D camera lenses significantly farther apart than the distance between your eyes, which exagerates the 3D effect, but that makes it less realistic and somewhat nauseating (kind of like shooting everything with fisheye lenses).

I think it will be used more for movies (though many movies being produced in 3D today are so gimmicky and dependent on 3D that they are otherwise pretty lame films) or games. I've tried 3D gaming with shutter LCD glasses when it was still pretty primitive but that showed quite a lot of promise for 3D games (notably "first person shooters" or FPS). However, some people already have problems with motion sickness and FPS games. Adding 3D in the mix will totally freak these folks out.

[kevinturcotte]

How much bandwidth would a 3D 2 hour movie in 1080i or p take up? lol

[jeffshoaf]

How much bandwidth would a 3D 2 hour movie in 1080i or p take up? lol

It takes more bandwidth than an equivalent 2D 2 hour movie, but you don't notice it since it's using that 3rd dimension that's not currently being used! :D

[dcowboy7]

I aint wearing those stupid glasses.

I didnt get lasix for nothing.

[kevinturcotte]

How do they work with glasses?

[bjlc]

well I have been saying for years, that just about the time that the majority of the people have HD.. 3D will be in vogue.. and every one here told me to drop dead.. and poo poo'd it like nothing.. or saying it ain't gonna happen..

and all the rest..

but guess what kids..

its gonna happen..and its coming like a frieght train.. not fast.. but you can't stop it.. and its slowing building up steam..

I am also glad that I am no longer the lone voice in the wilderness about 3D either..

thanks for posting.

[Tom Servo]

"They" have been saying 3D is the next big thing since, what… the 50's? :lol:

There have been some great technical advances but I'm not holding my breath for mainstream adoption until a viable standard is picked. Obviously getting rid of the glasses would be a major milestone for people like me who feel stupid wearing TWO PAIR of glasses for the effect (do the new movie versions even fit over standard glasses?) An interim solution will be maintaining 3D effect when the viewer isn't directly looking at the screen, like when they glance over at the popcorn or remote control. I think the circular polarization is supposed to address that, but with no 3D theater within 100 miles of me, I doubt I'll get to see it anytime soon.

My local two screen cineplex probably doesn't even support Dolby Digital yet. It's really ratty. :(

[LarryFlowers]

well I have been saying for years, that just about the time that the majority of the people have HD.. 3D will be in vogue.. and every one here told me to drop dead.. and poo poo'd it like nothing.. or saying it ain't gonna happen..

and all the rest..

but guess what kids..

its gonna happen..and its coming like a frieght train.. not fast.. but you can't stop it.. and its slowing building up steam..

I am also glad that I am no longer the lone voice in the wilderness about 3D either..

thanks for posting.

You may see some 3D.. but I reiterate: as long as it requires glasses it will remain a "geek" item. People are not going to wear glasses to watch 3 hours of prime time.

[Scott Kocourek]

3-D glasses and a tin foil hat. You can watch the movie but they wont be able to know if you like it or not.

[shedberg]

I agree! No 3D glasses for me! Even with the new glasses I get a monster headache!

[Brent04]

I'm not sure how this would benefit sports broadcasts. If the subject is more than 10 or 20 feet from your eyes, you no longer have a significant parallax difference between the left and right eyes, so the apparent distance is judged by focus, not by parallax. How many sports do we have that allow cameras to be 2 or 3 feet from the action? Chess matches? Arm wrestling? Now, you can have the 3D camera lenses significantly farther apart than the distance between your eyes, which exagerates the 3D effect, but that makes it less realistic and somewhat nauseating (kind of like shooting everything with fisheye lenses).



The NBA and the NFL have already done 3D sports events.

NBA - http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-10120372-93.html?tag=mncol;txt
NFL - http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-10106431-93.html?tag=mncol;txt

Other info on 3D TV
http://ces.cnet.com/8301-19167_1-10142957-100.html

[celticpride]

I was at best buy yesterday talking about tvs to a manager there, and i had mentined to him i had heard panasonic was making 3D tvs,and he told me directv is working on a 3D box you can use with directv in 2010,but he didnt give to many details ,he made it sound like it would be a seperate box from your dvr that you hook up. I guess we just have to wait and see, right now i'm more interested in an HD tivo box ,than a 3d box.

[Lee L]

You may see some 3D.. but I reiterate: as long as it requires glasses it will remain a "geek" item. People are not going to wear glasses to watch 3 hours of prime time.

Yes, please DirecTV do not do any stupid BS gimmick 3D, at least until you have all the HD that is out there available to us. Most peopel do not like it. It is mainly a pipe dream of the display manufacturers and hollywood who think it will magically make them all money.

[taz291819]

You may see some 3D.. but I reiterate: as long as it requires glasses it will remain a "geek" item. People are not going to wear glasses to watch 3 hours of prime time.

I for one will. Not for normal network programming, but for a movie or ball game, sure.

Yes, please DirecTV do not do any stupid BS gimmick 3D, at least until you have all the HD that is out there available to us. Most peopel do not like it. It is mainly a pipe dream of the display manufacturers and hollywood who think it will magically make them all money.

It's no pipe-dream, it actually works, and is coming.

Don't get me wrong, all of us would love for glasses-free 3D, but that's not going to happen for quite a few years. The nice thing is, the standards for 3D will work just fine with this.

I was at best buy yesterday talking about tvs to a manager there, and i had mentined to him i had heard panasonic was making 3D tvs,and he told me directv is working on a 3D box you can use with directv in 2010,but he didnt give to many details ,he made it sound like it would be a seperate box from your dvr that you hook up. I guess we just have to wait and see, right now i'm more interested in an HD tivo box ,than a 3d box.

That separate box is used to sync the Directv STB with your display, and the shutter glasses.

We've been talking a lot about this new technology over on AVSForum, under the HDTV Software subforum. A few industry insiders have chimed in as well.

[SPACEMAKER]

3D would be awesome provided it works right. The glasses they have these days don't bother me.

[billsharpe]

I enjoy iMax movies. Unfortunately I can't get that big a screen in my house, so I'm not too excited about 3-D TV.

[Tom Servo]

My big concern is whether 3D programming would require additional bandwidth. I would think that if it it could fit in the space of current 1080p channels, that D* would have no trouble adding 3D events to their slate.

I don't know a lot about how the tech works for home delivery but as far as I know the digital movie copy the cinemas use for 3D films aren't any larger in file size.

[VARTV]

They could offer up 15 HD channels after Sunday ticket....This makes sense...

[RACJ2]

I found a bit more info on D*'s venture into 3D [Link (http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/directv-and-panasonic-bring-3d-home-80854077.html)], so I thought I would revive this thread. Here is the meat of the article:

Panasonic will be the exclusive presenting sponsor of DIRECTV's new HD 3D channels, which will deliver movies, sports and entertainment content from some of the world's most renowned 3D producers. DIRECTV and Panasonic will leverage current relationships with programming partners and movie studios to obtain new and existing 3D content. DIRECTV is currently working with AEG/AEG Digital Media, CBS, Fox Sports/FSN, Golden Boy Promotions, HDNet, MTV, NBC Universal and Turner Broadcasting System, Inc., to develop additional 3D programming that will debut in 2010-2011. The sponsorship will feature Panasonic branding on all DIRECTV 3D channels for a one-year period.

[skyviewmark1]

The only way I am going to sit down and watch TV with Glasses on is if the Glasses themself have the TV Picture.. That is what I am waiting for.. Not actually having a big TV..

[HDinVT]

I found a bit more info on D*'s venture into 3D [Link (http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/directv-and-panasonic-bring-3d-home-80854077.html)], so I thought I would revive this thread. Here is the meat of the article:

Just saw similar on Reuters.com

http://www.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/idUSTRE60606N20100107

A Panasonic 3D BluRay player is pictured with glasses

[kevinwmsn]

I'm wondering if there will be a 3D access fee like there is an HD access fee.

[RACJ2]

I'm wondering if there will be a 3D access fee like there is an HD access fee.Yes, its $30/mo, 3x's the cost of HD. ;)

[taz291819]

The only way I am going to sit down and watch TV with Glasses on is if the Glasses themself have the TV Picture.. That is what I am waiting for.. Not actually having a big TV..

They've had that for years. Skymall sells 'em.

[RACJ2]

I posted this in another 3D thread, but since there were a lot of posters complaining about glasses in this thread, here you go!

On CNBC, they were at the CES2010 and they showed a new 42" Samsung 3D prototype that doesn't require the glasses. They said it will be out later this year. He was very impressed and said it reminded them of the first time he saw HD. Comparable or better then what you see in a theater. It has special filters and glass to produce the 3D. He mentioned that it will work with the new 3D programming that will provided by D*. Now were talking!

[ptuck874]

I posted this in another 3D thread, but since there were a lot of posters complaining about glasses in this thread, here you go!

On CNBC, they were at the CES2010 and they showed a new 42" Samsung 3D prototype that doesn't require the glasses. They said it will be out later this year. He was very impressed and said it reminded them of the first time he saw HD. Comparable or better then what you see in a theater. It has special filters and glass to produce the 3D. He mentioned that it will work with the new 3D programming that will provided by D*. Now were talking!
at a cost of about 25k from what I read somewhere ? 5-7 years maybe down to bearable prices?

[RACJ2]

at a cost of about 25k from what I read somewhere ? 5-7 years maybe down to bearable prices?Actually, the reporter stated that the pricing should be competitive, as far as the marketplace is concerned. Not sure what that means though.

Maybe they will mention something on the CNET live CES feed that is starting soon [Link (http://cnettv.cnet.com/liveatces?tag=contentMain;mediaModule)].

[Skyboss]

In related news, the President was seen trying on the newset version of in-home 3D eyewear:

http://images.quickblogcast.com/35238-32833/ObamaPrompt1.jpg

[lwilli201]

http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2006/08/71627

Interesting article about a Philips 3d LCD that does not require glasses. It also states in the article that they are working on software to convert 2D content to 3D. They say it is not ready for primetime yet but they say they are making progress in making this software better.

[RACJ2]

http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2006/08/71627

Interesting article about a Philips 3d LCD that does not require glasses. It also states in the article that they are working on software to convert 2D content to 3D. They say it is not ready for primetime yet but they say they are making progress in making this software better.That article is a bit old, from 2006?

[Stuart Sweet]

Let's continue discussion here:

http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=170724