ST Channel Buffer being deleted at end of ST!

[nuspieds]

This has happened to me a couple of times and I'm really not happy! :mad:

The scenario is when I'm watching ST and especially when using DoublePlay to switch back and forth between ST games. Let's say I'm way behind the live game, like an hour or so and I'm taking my own sweet time to watch the game on the buffer and catch up.

What eventually happens is that the buffer gets deleted when DirecTV "closes" (sorry I don't know a better word) that ST channel. The end result is that I don't even get to see the end of the game!!! :mad:

That doesn't make any sense whatsoever. I should still be able to watch the remaining buffer and when I get to the end, I should see the "DirecTV Sunday Ticket" screen as it normally appears when there's nothing showing on that ST channel.

Yesterday I missed the end of two games I was watching!!!

[billsharpe]

If this happened to me more than once, I think I'd remember that next time I should record one of the two games I was interested in.

[Shades228]

Always always always record live programming especially sports when it's on an "alternate" channel.

[texasbrit]

There isn't much that can be done about this because if it's a part time channel, when it goes away the tuner does not have a signal and so the buffer will go away.

[nuspieds]

If this happened to me more than once, I think I'd remember that next time I should record one of the two games I was interested in.

Think you'd remember? You mean you're not sure if you would or not? :D

Sorry, but I do have all my faculties and I know that I am not perfect and can make mistakes. As such, the first time it happened I thought I had done something wrong. I was still suspicious but the fact remains that I still could have done something wrong with all the channel switching I was doing.

Yesterday, however, was the second time it happened and this time for sure I knew I didn't do anything wrong because I had the channel on pause.

The bottom line here, though, is that my buffer should be left alone--even if broadcasting has ended for that channel. This isn't about whether or not someone should remember to record programming. After all, the purpose of the live buffer is an alternative to recording. However, just because programming ends on a particular channel is no reason for DirecTV to delete the existing buffer.

[Shades228]

Think you'd remember? You mean you're not sure if you would or not? :D

Sorry, but I do have all my faculties and I know that I am not perfect and can make mistakes. As such, the first time it happened I thought I had done something wrong. I was still suspicious but the fact remains that I still could have done something wrong with all the channel switching I was doing.

Yesterday, however, was the second time it happened and this time for sure I knew I didn't do anything wrong because I had the channel on pause.

The bottom line here, though, is that my buffer should be left alone--even if broadcasting has ended for that channel. This isn't about whether or not someone should remember to record programming. After all, the purpose of the live buffer is an alternative to recording. However, just because programming ends on a particular channel is no reason for DirecTV to delete the existing buffer.

The programming ends and then that channel gets remapped to whatever it was. So it's because it can't access that channel anymore the buffer is gone. This has been around for awhile especially with alternate stations and specials like olympics and tour de france.

[nuspieds]

There isn't much that can be done about this because if it's a part time channel, when it goes away the tuner does not have a signal and so the buffer will go away.

I know what you're saying but think about it, though: It's not as if when you switch to a ST channel outside of Sunday that the channel is invalid. Right now, for example, what's showing on those channels is the DirecTV logo with music. So there is some sort of broadcast happening.

I'm just saying that it doesn't make sense that buffered content should be deleted, even if broadcast has ended. The bottom line is that I'm a ST SuperFan subscriber and I should have access to the buffered content on my receiver up until the end of broadcast on that channel.

The buffer should not be deleted once broadcast/programming has ended on that channel. That, therefore, implies that buffering works differently depending on the "type" of channel. But this should not be the case.

One of the things I love about the buffer vs. live TV is fast-forwarding past commercials. The fact that it is a ST channel vs. a "regular" channel should not change the functionality of the buffer.

You know what I would expect to see after the end of the ST game? I'd expect to see and hear the DirecTV logo with the music that's being broadcasted.

[nuspieds]

The programming ends and then that channel gets remapped to whatever it was. So it's because it can't access that channel anymore the buffer is gone. This has been around for awhile especially with alternate stations and specials like olympics and tour de france.

Yeah, but then that's not really a buffer in the true sense of the word, is it?

The buffer exists locally on my receiver, so even though live TV broadcast is showing something else, I'm watching what was buffered/stored locally on receiver.

Again, I understand your explanation, but to me it would be like saying that a buffer on a "regular" channel only lasts as long as the show is being broadcasted. As soon as a new show starts, the buffer will be deleted/started from scratch with the new show.

It simply doesn't make sense that my local receiver buffer should be deleted because a new programming/show/braodcast/whatever has started on that channel.

[texasbrit]

I know what you're saying but think about it, though: It's not as if when you switch to a ST channel outside of Sunday that the channel is invalid. Right now, for example, what's showing on those channels is the DirecTV logo with music. So there is some sort of broadcast happening.

I'm just saying that it doesn't make sense that buffered content should be deleted, even if broadcast has ended. The bottom line is that I'm a ST SuperFan subscriber and I should have access to the buffered content on my receiver up until the end of broadcast on that channel.

The buffer should not be deleted once broadcast/programming has ended on that channel. That, therefore, implies that buffering works differently depending on the "type" of channel. But this should not be the case.

One of the things I love about the buffer vs. live TV is fast-forwarding past commercials. The fact that it is a ST channel vs. a "regular" channel should not change the functionality of the buffer.

You know what I would expect to see after the end of the ST game? I'd expect to see and hear the DirecTV logo with the music that's being broadcasted.
I don't think that's how it works. The DirecTV logo and music is a separate signal that all the channel numbers are mapped to when the signal goes away so as far as the DVR is concerned - and the buffers - the channel has changed.

[drill]

no matter what the "reason" for it is, its retarded. if you are watching something in a buffer, the DVR should NOT delete the buffer until you get to the end of it. the DVR can stop buffering, or whatever it needs to do to allow you to finish watching it. but deleting the buffer while you aren't "live" is a BUG.

[cariera]

Again, I understand your explanation, but to me it would be like saying that a buffer on a "regular" channel only lasts as long as the show is being broadcasted. As soon as a new show starts, the buffer will be deleted/started from scratch with the new show.

No, I don't think you don't understand the explanation. If you did, "it would be like saying that a buffer on a "regular" channel only lasts as long as the channel is being broadcasted.":)

[nuspieds]

no matter what the "reason" for it is, its retarded. if you are watching something in a buffer, the DVR should NOT delete the buffer until you get to the end of it. the DVR can stop buffering, or whatever it needs to do to allow you to finish watching it. but deleting the buffer while you aren't "live" is a BUG.

Exactly! :)

Leave my recorded buffer alone. They can stop buffering at the end of the broadcast or whatever, but leave what's already buffered alone.

The buffer is a temporary recording area on my DVR; there's no reason for them to delete it.

[nuspieds]

No, I don't think you don't understand the explanation. If you did, "it would be like saying that a buffer on a "regular" channel only lasts as long as the channel is being broadcasted.":)

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[DogLover]

I certainly isn't ideal. However, it was obviously designed to clear the buffer when the channel changed. Unfortunately it sees the removal of the channel as a channel change.

Maybe it will change sometime in the future. Until then, all we can do is warn people and recommend that they protect themselves by recording those broadcasts.