I guess Wichita is on that list somewhere

[JohnH]

4 channels(numbers in the 7000s) from there floating around somewhere. Assigned to a transponder which is making no signal.
Something which might give a clue as to where they will go is they are assigned to a transponder with Richmond, VA on it. No further info is available at this time. Plan to keep looking. :)

[JohnH]

AMC 2 at 105 would seem to be a logical place for them. :)

[JohnH]

In case you have a Ku FSS dish available, there is a signal on AMC 2 12059 H. This correlates with Tp 24 on the DISH Network receivers. You most likely will not get anything other than a signal strength at this time. FTA users could see some locals if they have the PIDs entered.

[Darkman]

John - i e-mailed you some questions about this TP 24...

[wcswett]

In case you have a Ku FSS dish available, there is a signal on AMC 2 12059 H. This correlates with Tp 24 on the DISH Network receivers. You most likely will not get anything other than a signal strength at this time. FTA users could see some locals if they have the PIDs entered.

There are two sets of locals now up on AMC 2 transponder 18, for a total of 10 channels. They're currently unencrypted, presumably for testing, but 9 of the 10 have no sound yet.

--- WCS

[Darkman]

4 Wichita KS's and 6 Richmond VA's

[wcswett]

4 Wichita KS's and 6 Richmond VA's

By my count there are 2 each of ABC, NBC, CBS and FOX; and one each of UPN and PBS. So, the UPN and PBS must be Richmond. Only the PBS has sound at this point in the test schedule.

--- WCS

[JohnH]

There are two sets of locals now up on AMC 2 transponder 18, for a total of 10 channels. They're currently unencrypted, presumably for testing, but 9 of the 10 have no sound yet.

--- WCS

Eh, all ten are in the clear and they have sound!!

[Darkman]

that "sound" "sounds" good, Eh? :)

[JohnH]

Maybe he has SAP selected as a holdover from T5. :)

[music_beans]

What I am waiting for is if the Rapid City, SD DMA will eventually be covered, and if it does, I bet they would go on 105.

[Darkman]

So John,

If i understand correctly then, my current 30 inch round Dish with that LNB that works for Telstar 5's FTA BEC 6600+ ird, would work at AMC-2 (even with Dishnet's IRD and Dishnet's switches - if lets say i d qualify for any locals at 105)? (just an educational/hypothetical question) :)

[Darkman]

Maybe any North Dakota's (such as Fargo or Grand Forks) - if they ever appear at Dish - will go to 105 as well....

[JohnH]

So John,

If i understand correctly then, my current 30 inch round Dish with that LNB that works for Telstar 5's FTA BEC 6600+ ird, would work at AMC-2 (even with Dishnet's IRD and Dishnet's switches - if lets say i d qualify for any locals at 105)? (just an educational/hypothetical question) :)

Dial up 12060 H SR 20000 on your BEC. Then repoint to 105. Scan in the channels and watch away. Your assumption is correct as well at least for the time being. :)

[wcswett]

Eh, all ten are in the clear and they have sound!!

Yup, the sound is in the second sound channel on my cheapie FTA receiver. My bad...

--- WCS

[Darkman]

what brand is your FTA ird, WCS?

[Edit] - Never mind - got my answer from a different thread already :)

[Darkman]

Dial up 12060 H SR 20000 on your BEC. Then repoint to 105. Scan in the channels and watch away. Your assumption is correct as well at least for the time being. :)

John,
I guess i was forgetting that before any possible future subscribers to those locals can even "dream" of getting 105 lets say through Dishnet's ird - Dishnet's irds would have to get a new software upgrade or something to include 105 bird to the install Menu...

Correct?
Unless some new types of separate IRDs will be issued to those subscribers to support the Bird (hehe - i strongly doubt this one though)

Same principle, i guess, would apply to the upcoming 121 location? (it TOO would have to be included at the Install menu)

[JohnH]

It would be best, but I suspect some engineers at EchoStar are watching these channels on a plain old DISH Network IRD. :)

[Darkman]

hehe,

Hey John - if i get installed, lets say another dish at 105 (same type as my Telstar 5's one), what is the simplest way to alternate in my BEC 6600+ between 2 of those stationary dishes?
(Like to watch Testar 5, and then watching AMC-2 later if needed)..

What is the best and cheap thing to have? - Some type of A/B switch? Or is there some better switch for that purpose or something? (if so - what is it )

Thanks

[wcswett]

hehe,

Hey John - if i get installed, lets say another dish at 105 (same type as my Telstar 5's one), what is the simplest way to alternate in my BEC 6600+ between 2 of those stationary dishes?
(Like to watch Testar 5, and then watching AMC-2 later if needed)..

What is the best and cheap thing to have? - Some type of A/B switch? Or is there some better switch for that purpose or something? (if so - what is it )

I have a DiSEqC 4x1 switch, which supports up to 4 Ku dishes. I have AMC-2, NIMIQ 1 and Galaxy 10R on it now and have room to add Telstar 5 back in later this week. My switch cost $50 plus shipping.

--- WCS

[JohnH]

That is probably the best way to go. I have 2 of those and a 12 volt switch on 1 of my FTA receivers. Gives me a choice of 8 dishes.

[Darkman]

WCS - Thanks for that info...

Also is that DiSEqC 4x1 - the smallest option, or some type DiSEqC 2x1 esists too?

and also - how do you change from satellite to satellite? (just with remote control on the Menu/Options somewhere?)

[Darkman]

John, thanks as well for the info...

so regardless if DiSEqC 2x1 switch exist or not (just wondering) - sounds like 4x1 is a better and more practical way to go more likely...

so just wondering - 2x1 (DiSEqC) exist?

Thanks

[wcswett]

WCS - Thanks for that info...

Also is that DiSEqC 4x1 - the smallest option, or some type DiSEqC 2x1 esists too?

and also - how do you change from satellite to satellite? (just with remote control on the Menu/Options somewhere?)

Yes, you can get a 2x1, but just about the time you get comfortable with it you'll probably want to add something like Echo IX when they're testing new Russian channels. :)

In the antenna set-up on my DMT-1050 I can designate which DiSEqC port (A, B, C, D) the antenna is attached to. After that it's all automatic via remote.

--- WCS

[Darkman]

ya thanks...

just out of curiosity though - how much is that 2x1 roughly (DiSC...)?

[wcswett]

ya thanks...

just out of curiosity though - how much is that 2x1 roughly (DiSC...)?

$35 + $8 shipping.

http://www.global-cm.net/mpeg2systems.html

--- WCS

[JohnH]

Forget it. They are encrypted now. :)

[Darkman]

hehe :(

Maybe we talked too much about this causing the "encryption" (even though it was heading that way eventually anyhow)
:)

Hey John - i wasn't rushing to the store anyhow, trying to beat the crowd and grab the last one :)

[wcswett]

hehe :(

Maybe we talked too much about this causing the "encryption" (even though it was heading that way eventually anyhow)

At least having them up gave me a chance to aim my dish. I put a second 90 cm dish up yesterday and aimed it at Galaxy 10 at 123W, so I'll just have to give it a tweak to the left and up to get Echo IX. From the answers to tech questions posted today, I guess I'll be on the preorder list for two 4:4 switches and two stacked DishPro Ku LNBF's. I wonder if I should just leave the ladder up out there. :)

--- WCS

[JohnH]

I have had my Galaxy 10R dish up for about 2 months for the same purpose. But now I think I'll leave it there and use the BUD to check what is happening at 121 and 105. :)

I'll be able to see the Telstar 13 activity as well. Don't think there will be any AMC 2 Cband activity. Apparently no license there.

[wcswett]

I have had my Galaxy 10R dish up for about 2 months for the same purpose. But now I think I'll leave it there and use the BUD to check what is happening at 121 and 105. :) I'll be able to see the Telstar 13 activity as well. Don't think there will be any AMC 2 Cband activity. Apparently no license there.

In spite of having seven small dishes already, I sometimes wish I had a BUD just for sky surfing. I'm so far out in the sticks that my neighbor has a BUD on TOP of her house (it's a big house). There are probably 1000 rusting analog dishes within a 30 mile radius of here.

Next project, take down the NIMIQ 91 FTA dish and put a 24 inch up on 61.5W to look for Rainbow 1. :)

--- WCS

[Darkman]

some one said:

"These channels are not scrambled. They are simply not being transmitted. The mux currently has the system tables (a copy of the system tables on 12.559 GHz at 148 west to be acurate) but no video or audio is being sent, i.e. 96% of the data capable of going through this pipe is null PIDs.

So, you scan it with a receiver, it sees the tables and sets up channels in memory but low and behold you don't get a picture when you tune the channel because there's no data on the PIDs the receiver has setup for that particular channel.

All PIDs below 0x20 are reserved for special purposes either in the MPEG or DVB specs.

PID 0x0000 = Program Association Table. Lists the channels in the current mux.
PID 0x0001 = Conditional Access Table. Lists the PIDs used for EMMs.
PID 0x0010 = Network Table. Points to other transponders in the system.
PID 0x0011 = Service Description Table. Lists the names of the channels.
PID 0x0012 = Event Information Table. The EPG data. This is not DVB compliant on the Dish Network system. They use compression to save space in receiver memory.
PID 0x0014 = Time and Date Table. Contains the current date and time.

PID 0x0020 = Conditional Access EMM stream. DN has two CA systems currently running - this is the older Nagra EMM stream.
PID 0x0021 = Program Map Table. Points to the video, audio and other PIDs for each channel in the current mux.
PID 0x0120 = Second, newer CA EMM stream.
PID 0x0904 = Who knows. Maybe part of the CA system."

[JohnH]

Well, they took the whole thing down and put up 3 new transponder infos.

[Darkman]

John, so the bottom line - the channels are not up and working there now?

[JohnH]

Wichita and Richmond are not there, now apparently. They probably are hovering around the uplink center saying put me back up. :)

[Darkman]

hehe :)