Anything on Dish 3-D??

[Doug Higley]

Or are we going to have to switch? Buying a 3-D set and I do NOT want to go to Direct but will I have to?

[Lt Disher]

Direct talked about having 3-D at the CES, but I don't know if they have actually broadcast anything yet. You might want to post a question in the Direct forum, You might as well wait to switch until you know when they will have 3-D broadcasts. It may turn out that DISH would have them also.

[Doug Higley]

Direct has the contract signed and is prepared to carry the new ESPN 3-D channle plus their own and are hooked up with Panasonic and other manufacturers to begin the programming with the RealD 3-D parameters. BEST BUY starts the promotion next week with the demos in all stores of the Panasonoc system.

It's here. I's Now. We're buying the Samsung.

My question is if anyone HEARD of Dish getting involved yet.

[brant]

so you're gonna sit around with the glasses on to watch TV?

i don't know about you guys, but watching avatar and alice in wonderland in 3D made me nauseous.

the disney animated films didn't bother me so much, but i hate the glasses.

i think i'm going to skip the 3D films from now on.

[Slamminc11]

Some threads just make me laugh...

[RasputinAXP]

oo-fah. No. Dish hasn't mentioned 3-D yet.

I bet you have a Beta player and an HD-DVD player too.

[brant]

Some threads just make me laugh...

no kidding.

[Stewart Vernon]

I have mixed feelings. I have a Samsung model that may or may not be compatible with the new Blu ray 3D spec. Haven't heard about the broadcast spec to see how that will work.

If I'm not compatible, no way am I running to buy a 3D HDTV and glasses just to get what small content may or may not be available for the next couple of years.

If I am compatible, I'm not looking to switch providers just to get one rumored ESPN 3D channel. Heck, ESPN hasn't gotten all their HD channels to broadcast HD all the time, and sometimes they broadcast poor quality HD at that... so I'm fine to wait a couple of years and let them get things right.

[phrelin]

Well my Pany plasma is over 6 years old. At the end of the next six, I'll get a 3D unit as HD technology might be working smoothly by then so I'll need something to complain about.:sure:

[dbconsultant]

And I'll bet nobody has considered the problems ESPN 3D can cause.

Picture it...

You're watching the game, the ball is thrown and it looks like it's coming right at you and, wham!, you've spilled your beer and guacamole trying to catch it!!!

See - 3D in the home could be dangerous!!!

:lol:

[Doug Higley]

No I dont have HD or Blue ray, or Beta and couldn't care less about any of it.
First VHS was in 1978.

I collect films, 16mm, tape and DVD...(since the 50's) and 3-D is and has been my main interest. I know from inside the industry what's on the way in 3-D Film releases, (both Old and New) so laff all you like. It was a simple question.

[Paul Secic]

Or are we going to have to switch? Buying a 3-D set and I do NOT want to go to Direct but will I have to?

I read on CNET today that 3d sets will be on sale in June and will cost $10.000 each. Directv & Dish doesn't own 3d content. You don't have to buy one. I'm certainly buying one because I have two HD sets..

[Curtis0620]

I read on CNET today that 3d sets will be on sale in June and will cost $10.000 each. Directv & Dish doesn't own 3d content. You don't have to buy one. I'm certainly buying one because I have two HD sets..

wrong, around $3,500

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Televisions/regularCat%3Apcmcat205800050000/pcmcat205800050000.c?id=pcmcat205800050000

[Paul Secic]

Or are we going to have to switch? Buying a 3-D set and I do NOT want to go to Direct but will I have to?

May I remind yyou that Dish cable, Directv do not have all channels in HD yet. So it might take 5 to 8 years to get them.

[Doug Higley]

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Electronics+Promotions/regularCat%3Apcmcat204300050000/pcmcat204300050000.c?id=pcmcat204300050000

Q&A

[GrumpyBear]

Interesting timing for this article today
http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/patterson/66833

[Shades228]

May I remind yyou that Dish cable, Directv do not have all channels in HD yet. So it might take 5 to 8 years to get them.

DirecTV has already announced their 3d channel with the D12 coming and displayed it at the CES. No such thing has been announced from Dish. HD channels have nothing to do with a 3D channel.

[GrumpyBear]

DirecTV has already announced their 3d channel with the D12 coming and displayed it at the CES. No such thing has been announced from Dish. HD channels have nothing to do with a 3D channel.
3d is a VERY niche, and I would much rather have more HD channels than any 3d channels, in the near future. Maybe in 4yrs, give me some 3d channels, but the investment in a NEW 3d TV 8 glass's and hope I have no more than 8 people at any onetime, to watch very limited program offerings, of something so Niche as 3d, doesn't interest me at all. Save the Gimick stuff, give me more real value.

[newsman]

I think 3D will be another HD-DVD or Beta. I'm going to spend an extra $150 on glasses (Samsung charges this for their 3D glasses)?!? What about if I have a family of 4? I won't need a new Blu-Ray player, thankfully (I have a PS3). What if I didn't have a PS3? I'd have to spend $$ on a new one, when current ones are now starting to become reasonably priced. No thank you to 3D. I am just fine w/ HD.

[GrumpyBear]

I think 3D will be another HD-DVD or Beta. I'm going to spend an extra $150 on glasses (Samsung charges this for their 3D glasses)?!? What about if I have a family of 4? I won't need a new Blu-Ray player, thankfully (I have a PS3). What if I didn't have a PS3? I'd have to spend $$ on a new one, when current ones are now starting to become reasonably priced. No thank you to 3D. I am just fine w/ HD.

You can find Glasses a little cheaper, but still looking at over $65 per pair.
Times that by 4 or more on top of buying a brand new $3k TV set. 3d is a long ways off from being anything primetime. I can see it now, trying to watch something new on ESPN3d and you don't have enough glasses for everybody, some get to watch, some don't. Lots of nickle and dimes to 3d

[Shades228]

I'm pretty sure manufacturers know that as long as glasses are needed it will never get as huge as it can be. With that said people will get glasses cheaper once they do become main stream. Look at movie theaters they don't have $65 a pop. Also most TV manufacturers have already stated they're working on 3d without glasses being a requirement.

Right now it's niche and will be for a few years just like HD. I don't see it going mainstream for atleast 5-10. That's the life cycle of most of the HD TV's out there and I can't see a standard consumer junking their "old" main HD TV just to get a 3D one.

[flatus]

I want smellovision

[Paul Secic]

3d is a VERY niche, and I would much rather have more HD channels than any 3d channels, in the near future. Maybe in 4yrs, give me some 3d channels, but the investment in a NEW 3d TV 8 glass's and hope I have no more than 8 people at any onetime, to watch very limited program offerings, of something so Niche as 3d, doesn't interest me at all. Save the Gimick stuff, give me more real value.

I too want more HD channels. Plus Directv might add a surcharge on 3d.

[Doug Higley]

The glasses situation is just pure greed and stupidity on the part of the industry.

We saw a demonstration at the D23 Expo in LA of the Disney 3-D releases on on HD TV from a Blu-ray player using the EXACT same cheap ($3) passive poloroids as used in theater. They were handing them out as freebies. Yes the same...I used them in the theater...no difference. They are RealD 3-D plastic cheapies.

Why they chose to go with Active Shutters (that will add maint. problems) is mystery to me. The CHEAP (and comfortable) Poloroids work just fine. Perfectly matter of fact.

[GrumpyBear]

The glasses situation is just pure greed and stupidity on the part of the industry.

We saw a demonstration at the D23 Expo in LA of the Disney 3-D releases on on HD TV from a Blu-ray player using the EXACT same cheap ($3) passive poloroids as used in theater. They were handing them out as freebies. Yes the same...I used them in the theater...no difference. They are RealD 3-D plastic cheapies.

Why they chose to go with Active Shutters (that will add maint. problems) is mystery to me. The CHEAP (and comfortable) Poloroids work just fine. Perfectly matter of fact.

Glasses the theaters use, are ok, do the job, not sure how many showings they will last, as they aren't excactly heavy duty. Real Glasses, that are more hardy and last awhile, are just crazy/stupid/greedy expensive.
3d down the road will be cool. Right now....? Not so cool to little content, to few channels, to expensive to get into right now. 4yrs or so down the road... more bang for the dollar. So I will drink a beer to all the early adopters for pathing the way, join you in a few yrs.

[jonesron]

The glasses situation is just pure greed and stupidity on the part of the industry.

We saw a demonstration at the D23 Expo in LA of the Disney 3-D releases on on HD TV from a Blu-ray player using the EXACT same cheap ($3) passive poloroids as used in theater. They were handing them out as freebies. Yes the same...I used them in the theater...no difference. They are RealD 3-D plastic cheapies.

Why they chose to go with Active Shutters (that will add maint. problems) is mystery to me. The CHEAP (and comfortable) Poloroids work just fine. Perfectly matter of fact.

While polarized 3D glasses are a lot cheaper then LCD shutter glasses, the technology for using polared light for 3D imaging on full 1080p 3D flat panel displays is not as mature and would certainly drive up the price of such a 3D HDTV substantially. The use of shutter glasses keeps the cost impact on the display itself to a minimum and as sales for the 3D shutter glasses increases over the next few years their cost will surely come down (but not to the same price range of passive polarized glasses).


Direct talked about having 3-D at the CES, but I don't know if they have actually broadcast anything yet. You might want to post a question in the Direct forum, You might as well wait to switch until you know when they will have 3-D broadcasts. It may turn out that DISH would have them also.

The first Directv 3D channel is not scheduled be active unitil June.

[inazsully]

3d is a VERY niche, and I would much rather have more HD channels than any 3d channels, in the near future. Maybe in 4yrs, give me some 3d channels, but the investment in a NEW 3d TV 8 glass's and hope I have no more than 8 people at any onetime, to watch very limited program offerings, of something so Niche as 3d, doesn't interest me at all. Save the Gimick stuff, give me more real value.

I think the question is very valid and it really doesn't matter if we want more HD channels. Sony, Panasonic, Samsung, Vizio, ABC, Disney ESPN, Discovery Channel etc. Get the connection? It's called $$$$$$$. These companies have billions invested in 3D. It ain't no niche. They will make sure that 3D will be the next "gotta have". It will be priced right and content will hit the air waves faster than HD content did. Money talks and new TV's and DVD players and Blu-ray players must sell. The major broadcast studios, ABC, CBS, FOX, NBC had better **** or get off the pot.

[GrumpyBear]

I think the question is very valid and it really doesn't matter if we want more HD channels. Sony, Panasonic, Samsung, Vizio, ABC, Disney ESPN, Discovery Channel etc. Get the connection? It's called $$$$$$$. These companies have billions invested in 3D. It ain't no niche. They will make sure that 3D will be the next "gotta have". It will be priced right and content will hit the air waves faster than HD content did. Money talks and new TV's and DVD players and Blu-ray players must sell. The major broadcast studios, ABC, CBS, FOX, NBC had better **** or get off the pot.
Can you NAME 10 3d stations? How about 5? 3d is Niche, and for the geeks, right now. I can name 100's of Products that had big $$$$$$$$$ behind them, that Fizzed out and died that had even MORE industry wide support in the beginning than 3d has now.

[RasputinAXP]

Can you NAME 10 3d stations? How about 5? 3d is Niche, and for the geeks, right now. I can name 100's of Products that had big $$$$$$$$$ behind them, that Fizzed out and died that had even MORE industry wide support in the beginning than 3d has now.

HD-DVD :(

[Michael1]

I think 3D will succeed. I saw lots of footage of 3D at the Panasonic booth, and I can tell you, it is like being there. The glasses right now are a bit clunky, but just like sunglasses, they will slim down, and get a lot cheaper.

BTW, I wasn't impressed with what the other manufacturers were offering. The motion was choppy, and it didn't seem refined. Panasonic's was production ready.

Michael

[inkahauts]

I too want more HD channels. Plus Directv might add a surcharge on 3d.

Might.. You funny....

[inkahauts]

I suspect you will see 3d on Dish within a year... Just pure guess on my part, but if Directv is going to do it, so will they...

I don't remember hearing anything about 1080P until they they basically launched it... And everyone new Directv had 1080P coming soon before that, so who knows...

And I think it will catch on eventually, because the movie theaters are going nuts with 3d right now... But just like HDTV, its gonna take a few years before it goes from niche to main stream..

[olds403]

I think 3D will be a niche product for quite a while also. Of all my family and friends I am probably the most likely to buy advanced technology. I just got my HDTV 2 years ago, many of my friends don't have that yet. HD started around 1998, look at how long it has taken to get the market penetration it has now, over 10 years. I expect 3D to take as long or longer simply because I feel it appeals to a much smaller niche. I really have no desire to buy a new TV and Blu-ray player just to get 3D, if I want 3D I can just go to the local IMAX to get it.

[SaltiDawg]

... I really have no desire to buy a new TV and Blu-ray player just to get 3D, if I want 3D I can just go to the local IMAX to get it.
Those of us that bought a Play Station 3 to use as a Blu-ray player are feeling pretty darn good. The PS3 has received a firmware update to update it to the current standard and will receive an update in July to make it 3D compatible. All at no extra cost. :)

[kevinturcotte]

Still not sure-how does 3-D work for those of us that wear glasses (And have astigmatism)?

[GrumpyBear]

Those of us that bought a Play Station 3 to use as a Blu-ray player are feeling pretty darn good. The PS3 has rerceived a firmware update to update it to the current standard and will receive an update in July to make it 3D compatible. All at no extra cost. :)
Nice to see that Sony can get 3d working, but still get slammed with a y2k bug 10yrs after the fact. No matter were the 3d content comes from you still need a 3d TV. 3-5 Yrs before its a mass market product. I do think it will succed, just not anytime soon.

[olds403]

Those of us that bought a Play Station 3 to use as a Blu-ray player are feeling pretty darn good. The PS3 has rerceived a firmware update to update it to the current standard and will receive an update in July to make it 3D compatible. All at no extra cost. :)

I didn't want to purchase a PS3 as a blu-ray player. I don't play video games and the goofy looking PS3 wouldn't match the look of the rest of the equipment in my rack(not to mention the lack of IR remote support, for my Harmony One, without buying yet another add on). I am quite happy with my pioneer stand alone player. I just don't see 3D as a must have item.

[TBoneit]

And here I was thinking 3D is a solution looking for a problem.

[SaltiDawg]

I didn't want to purchase a PS3 as a blu-ray player. I don't play video games and the goofy looking PS3 wouldn't match the look of the rest of the equipment in my rack(not to mention the lack of IR remote support, for my Harmony One, without buying yet another add on). I am quite happy with my pioneer stand alone player. I just don't see 3D as a must have item.

Uh, OK. I control my PS3 seamlessly with my Harmony Remote via a $40 "adapter." I have the PS3 lying down and it has a sleek black look that matches my Pioneer Elite bezel and also goes well with my 722k and Xbox 360. :)

The PS3 updated via the www when the new BD Standard came out and it will update this July to bring it into the newest standard. Unless your BD player has connectivity to the web and a hard drive, your box will never be upgraded to newer standards over the upcoming years. These upcoming features may or may not effect your future viewing enjoyment, but you'll never even know. :rolleyes:

And, oh yes, I do enjoy playing games on the PS3 and Xbox 360 with my grandchildren - while they are at their homes hundreds of miles away from me.

Oh, did I mention that I enjoy watching Netflix live videos and on-line video via these boxes - great quality images with my Fios fast download speeds.

[Doug Higley]

3-D with out the glasses is already a FACT and is being demoed. It uses a lenticular screen. It is not perfected yet for wide release but it's coming. This will also require another change in equipt. down the road! What a mess. But 'no glasses' 3-D should (IF released commercially) nail the process into being widely accepted. (A lenticular screen for those who are not familiar, is like the special 3-D panels on the fronts of DVD packaging.) IF the delivery system is perfected the sets should be comparatively inexpensive.
Anybody see one of these yet??


3-D works with astigmatism. Just not with One eye.

I just ran into this:
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/philips-to-launch-3d-television-this-time-with-no-dodgy-glasses-required-843669.html

[tsmacro]

Still not sure-how does 3-D work for those of us that wear glasses (And have astigmatism)?


Well they have 3-D glasses that fit over your prescription glasses when you go to a theater so I imagine they do for tv as well. I also have an astigmatism and was able to watch Avatar w/ no probs.

[olds403]

Uh, OK. I control my PS3 seamlessly with my Harmony Remote via a $40 "adapter." I have the PS3 lying down and it has a sleek black look that matches my Pioneer Elite bezel and also goes well with my 722k and Xbox 360. :)

The PS3 updated via the www when the new BD Standard came out and it will update this July to bring it into the newest standard. Unless your BD player has connectivity to the web and a hard drive, your box will never be upgraded to newer standards over the upcoming years. These upcoming features may or may not effect your future viewing enjoyment, but you'll never even know. :rolleyes:

And, oh yes, I do enjoy playing games on the PS3 and Xbox 360 with my grandchildren - while they are at their homes hundreds of miles away from me.

Oh, did I mention that I enjoy watching Netflix live videos and on-line video via these boxes - great quality images with my Fios fast download speeds.

Like I said, no IR support without buying a $40 adapter. My player is profile 2.0 and able to update via the web. But really the only thing I care about watching on my blu-ray player is blu-ray discs. Netflix has very little HD content available online, and I don't believe it is 1080 content anyways. I like HD content on my HDTV, I have no desire to watch online stuff on my TV. I am glad you enjoy your PS3, I have no desire to own one.

[SaltiDawg]

Like I said, no IR support without buying a $40 adapter. ... I am glad you enjoy your PS3, I have no desire to own one.
And I am glad that you enjoy your box as much as I enjoy my PS3.

Re the $40 - I suspect that your player cost much more than my $370 PS3 even adjusted for the $40 adapter. By most current reviews, the PS3 is an A1 quality BD Player. It has updated firmware over the years to make early adopters happy! Added 1080p 24 FPS out, for example.
Sorry you took my post as a suggestion that you should have a PS3. I meant no such thing, I assure you. I wasa just responding to your "I really have no desire to buy a new TV and Blu-ray player just to get 3D, if I want 3D I can just go to the local IMAX to get it."

I'll drop the issue.

[olds403]

SaltiDawg, I have no problem with you recommending the PS3, I think it has a lot of good qualities and always rated well as a blu-ray player. It just didn't fit my needs. That being said I still think that 3D is going to be a VERY niche product in home theater for quite a while.

[jadebox]

While polarized 3D glasses are a lot cheaper then LCD shutter glasses, the technology for using polared light for 3D imaging on full 1080p 3D flat panel displays is not as mature and would certainly drive up the price of such a 3D HDTV substantially. The use of shutter glasses keeps the cost impact on the display itself to a minimum and as sales for the 3D shutter glasses increases over the next few years their cost will surely come down (but not to the same price range of passive polarized glasses).

That's right. I suspect the only new hardware a 3D TV will need is a transmitter to signal the glasses and that wouldn't add but a few dollars to the cost of the TV. So, while there will be a premium on the cost of the early 3D TVs, eventually it'll probably be standard on most of them.

Plus, the active glasses let more light through so the image will be brighter. They will probably have a wider viewing angle and work better if you tilt your head. Also, the active system won't affect non-3D images like a polarizing filter on the front of the TV might.

-- Roger

[jadebox]

3-D with out the glasses is already a FACT and is being demoed. It uses a lenticular screen. It is not perfected yet for wide release but it's coming.

I first saw a 3D lenticular TV back in the late 1980s. So, they've been working on it for a while. :-)

I don't see them catching on except for niche applications such as at trade shows. The viewing angle is very narrow. You literally have to sit right in front of the TV to watch.

-_ Roger

[Stewart Vernon]

Also worth noting that the current economic outlook isn't conducive to people throwing a bunch of money at 3D that they otherwise wouldn't have to spend.

People with functioning HDTVs aren't going to run out to buy a new 3D HDTV.

People aren't going to run out and buy new 3D Blu ray players either, if they already have Blu ray.

And people who are in the market... and do buy the new tech... aren't necessarily going to spend the still-required extra money to buy glasses.

Also, consider that everyone in your family would need a pair of glasses and optimal seating locations to see 3D... so a family of 4 (the average roughly US family) has to pony up a bit to get enough glasses for everyone.

[GrumpyBear]

Also worth noting that the current economic outlook isn't conducive to people throwing a bunch of money at 3D that they otherwise wouldn't have to spend.

People with functioning HDTVs aren't going to run out to buy a new 3D HDTV.

People aren't going to run out and buy new 3D Blu ray players either, if they already have Blu ray.

And people who are in the market... and do buy the new tech... aren't necessarily going to spend the still-required extra money to buy glasses.

Also, consider that everyone in your family would need a pair of glasses and optimal seating locations to see 3D... so a family of 4 (the average roughly US family) has to pony up a bit to get enough glasses for everyone.
I think the number of glasses should be around 8 that way, you have extra for company or incase one of those mid $60 pair breaks.
3d isn't going to be cheap to maintain.

[SaltiDawg]

....
People with functioning HDTVs aren't going to run out to buy a new 3D HDTV.

People aren't going to run out and buy new 3D Blu ray players either, if they already have Blu ray.

And people who are in the market... and do buy the new tech... aren't necessarily going to spend the still-required extra money to buy glasses.
...
Stewart,

I agree completely with your conjecture that 3D will be slow to evolve. That said, given the the increased manufacturing cost for TV itself should be small... essentially adding a circuit/emitter to synchronize the glasses wi8th the display - were you buying an HD set would you not insist that it also be 3D enabled?

For some of us, we already have a BD player that will upgrade itself at no cost to become 3D capable.

Re the price of the glasses, we only need to look around at other electronics and consider what they cost when first introduced compared to a year or two later. I have a $7500 three year old TV that woulkd cost less then half that today.

I don't disagree with your conclusion, just differ in how much impact some of the factors you describer will have.

[Stewart Vernon]

I'll use myself as an example, since I like technology! :)

I had an HDTV that failed on me a little over a year ago... so I had to replace it with a new HDTV. This one may or may not be 3D-compatible when everything shakes out. It is a Samsung that does 3D with a computer... and the rumor mill says Mitsubishi might be making something for their "legacy" TVs that could work and give me partial resolution 3D.

Lots of ifs and buts in the rumors...

I also already have a Blu ray player (not a PS3).

So... I'm not very likely to jump to buy a new 3D HDTV, a new 3D Blu ray player, and all the glasses any time soon.

IF, however, I needed an HDTV or a Blu ray player... then yes, I'd certainly research and try to get one that is compatible... but I also remember how DVI lasted about a year then we got HDMI and now potentially differences in HDMI 1.3 and 1.4 are to be considered.

It's still entirely possible that the 3D TVs and players that come out this year will be obsoleted by models a year from now. Remember BD-Live? And how all those who wanted it but bought Blu ray in year 1 had to go buy a new Blu ray player?

My Blu ray actually doesn't do BD-Live either because I wasn't about to re-buy to get that. Imagine if I had bought a new Blu ray just to get BD-Live only to find out I need another new one for 3D!

Then there's the cost of the glasses... and those aren't cheap.

We've also had 3D in one form or another since way before I was born. I know technology has been improving... but it just doesn't seem the public want it badly enough to run out and buy it like the companies hope.

Sure, people will go and see Avatar for 3D... and it only costs a bit more than a normal movie maybe, depending on the theater... but that's a one-time thing that is a low cost-of-entry if you were going to see a movie anyway.

[kevinturcotte]

I just bought a new HDTV is January-Unless they want to sell me a new 47" 3DTV for around $500, it's not happening.

[inazsully]

Remember that the TV manufactures desperately need to sell new stuff. They've pretty much reached the upper limit on what they can do with LCD and plasma. With LCD They've pushed the hz to 480 and maximized black levels with back lit LED. Plasmas are thinner and run cooler. What else can they offer? New technology like OLED and SED and Laser seems to be cost prohibitive and slow to bring to market. The philosophy is, if you need, or think you need a new TV or Blu-ray player then 3D must be your only logical choice. That's why it's not a niche. Millions of new TV buyers are the target and the profits for Sony, Panasonic, ABC, Disney, DirecTV etc are palpable. If you can buy a 3D 55" Sony or a 2D 55" anything else, including Sony, for the same price which are you going to buy? It doesn't matter at all how much content is available right now. It's humane nature to future proof.

[Stewart Vernon]

It's humane nature to future proof.

The problem is, "future proof" often is not really... lots of "3D ready" HDTVs already sold the last couple of years only to find out they aren't necessarily compatible with the settled standard.

So there's no reason to rush out and buy a new 3D HDTV this year with little content only to find in 2 years they have changed the standard again.

Those same companies have no real reason to sell you true "future proof" technology because they want to sell you another new TV in a few years...

[jimborst]

It appears the Masters may be broadcat in 3-D this year http://www.pga.com/2010/news/pgatour/03/15/masters3d.ap/index.html The article only mentions comcast but 3-D is slowly rolling out.

[Michael P]

So how do these 3D glasses work if you wear prescription glasses already?

I agree with many of the above sentiments, 3D TV is going to be another "Beta", even without a competing system like VHS was or Blu-Ray was for HD-DVD.

[tsmacro]

So how do these 3D glasses work if you wear prescription glasses already?


See reply #41 :D

[Jim5506]

YA wanna buy a bridge - cheap??

[JcT21]

I just bought a new HDTV is January-Unless they want to sell me a new 47" 3DTV for around $500, it's not happening.

you said it!

there is no way ill be upgrading to 3D anytime soon. im just now getting into HD. just got my first HD samsung 42 inch christmas 2008. just got dish HD not even a year ago. and now they got 3D... perhaps when im in the market for a new tv or sometime in the next 5-8 years i might upgrade but right now, im perfectly happy with the HD i got.

i mean really... 3D? seems like such a waste.

[tnsprin]

you said it!

there is no way ill be upgrading to 3D anytime soon. im just now getting into HD. just got my first HD samsung 42 inch christmas 2008. just got dish HD not even a year ago. and now they got 3D... perhaps when im in the market for a new tv or sometime in the next 5-8 years i might upgrade but right now, im perfectly happy with the HD i got.

i mean really... 3D? seems like such a waste.

On the other hand my oldest HDTV is now 10 years old. Not rushing to replace it but when I do one that supports 3d versus one that doesn't seems like a good choice.

[SaltiDawg]

On the other hand my oldest HDTV is now 10 years old. Not rushing to replace it but when I do one that supports 3d versus one that doesn't seems like a good choice.
Particularly as the cost difference for the TV itself should be small.

[Paul Secic]

you said it!

there is no way ill be upgrading to 3D anytime soon. im just now getting into HD. just got my first HD samsung 42 inch christmas 2008. just got dish HD not even a year ago. and now they got 3D... perhaps when im in the market for a new tv or sometime in the next 5-8 years i might upgrade but right now, im perfectly happy with the HD i got.

i mean really... 3D? seems like such a waste.

You said that right. I'm fine with HD....

[Doug Higley]

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=auzWxPLpD9SE


Sold out. Good thing this forum ain't for Fortune Tellers. :lol::lol:

[SaltiDawg]

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=auzWxPLpD9SE


Sold out. Good thing this forum ain't for Fortune Tellers. :lol::lol:
+1

[phrelin]

Two things in that article we should note: Panasonic’s TV operations had a loss of more than 10 billion yen ($111 million) in the quarter ended Dec. 31. The business may turn profitable in the year ending March 2011, President Fumio Ohtsubo said March 3. Hopefully, they can become profitable at this price level: Panasonic became the first major TV maker to sell 3-D sets in the U.S. when its 50-inch full high-definition plasma TV went on sale at outlets of Best Buy Co. with a pair of glasses and a 3-D Blu-ray player for $2,899.99 on March 10. That is half what my 6-year-old 42" Pany Plasma and my old DVD player cost "back when" at unadjusted dollars. At those prices, even I might actually buy one of these things after it has been determined that they work for over a year in typical home environments.

[SaltiDawg]

... At those prices, even I might actually buy one of these things after it has been determined that they work for over a year in typical home environments.
I'll be on-board possibly even sooner. :)

[RasputinAXP]

Huh. MSG will be broadcasting Rangers-Islanders in 3D on the 24th

On Cablevision only, but...

http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/backpage/msg_to_broadcast_rangers_islanders_2HcApu3lQT7ixlI bRIqqUI

[Doug Higley]

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/03/19/islanders-vs-rangers-domestic-d-broadcast/?test=latestnews

full story


those still busy 'laffing' at the thread don't bother.

[GrumpyBear]

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/03/19/islanders-vs-rangers-domestic-d-broadcast/?test=latestnews

full story


those still busy 'laffing' at the thread don't bother.
No it was interesting to read. Still shows that 3d is still a Fad/Gimmick right now.

"MSG looks to learn from this first ever broadcast as it moves forward with a renovation project for the Garden, and the company plans more 3D projects in the future, though what they are and how frequent they will be remains to be seen. And because 3D broadcasting is such a new technology, seemingly simple things like where to situation cameras and which angles will provide for the best experience are hardly simple to answer."

3d is coming, but its still YEARS away from Primetime. Even this is gimmicky, they plan on making more money from selling tickets for people to watch it at MSG.

"In order to expand the event to as many people as possible, MSG will host a special a special viewing party of the telecast at the Theater at Madison Square Garden that will include appearances by popular Rangers alumni Mark Messier, Adam Graves, Ron Duguay and others, as well as fan contests and giveaways. Tickets to the 3D screening are $20 and available at newyorkrangers.com."

4-5 years this will be a worthy topic.

[SaltiDawg]

No it was interesting to read. Still shows that 3d is still a Fad/Gimmick right now.
....
Page 1, tomorrow's Best Buy Ad:

55" - 3D - 240Hz - LED - HDTV (4 HDMI, 2 USB, 1 PC inputs.)

Oh, did I mention - Free 3D Starter Set. Two sets of glasses and a BD Movie.

I wonder if, like Panasonic, they'll sell out.

EDIT: The price is $2969.99

[Paul Secic]

The problem is, "future proof" often is not really... lots of "3D ready" HDTVs already sold the last couple of years only to find out they aren't necessarily compatible with the settled standard.

So there's no reason to rush out and buy a new 3D HDTV this year with little content only to find in 2 years they have changed the standard again.

Those same companies have no real reason to sell you true "future proof" technology because they want to sell you another new TV in a few years...

I'd venture to say there are ten to twenty thousand 3d sets out there.

[tnsprin]

I guess glassless 3D Tv's are coming sooner than some of us guessed. Sharp has announced they will ship one starting in June. Still comments from the Consummer Electronics show earlier this year did not think that such TV's currently worked as well as those that use glasses.

[SaltiDawg]

I guess glassless 3D Tv's are coming sooner than some of us guessed. Sharp has announced they will ship one starting in June. Still comments from the Consummer Electronics show earlier this year did not think that such TV's currently worked as well as those that use glasses.
I think that these Sharp displays are small displays - like for the nintendo Dsi. Years ago they tried this and it was a bust.

[tnsprin]

I think that these Sharp displays are small displays - like for the nintendo Dsi. Years ago they tried this and it was a bust.
Don't know. The full quote is below
"Sharp bets it all on no-glasses 3DTV: Sharp will be shipping 3DTVs that don’t require glasses starting in June. The LCD displays will have three “sweet spots” and a visual range-finding system of LEDs embedded in the bezel so that you can sit at the precise angle and distance required in order to see the 3D effect. The instruction manual will also have directions for a multi-player version of “rock, paper, scissors” so that you can determine who gets to watch when more than three people want to watch at the same time. The company hopes to have sets with five sweet spots ready by next year."

[kevinturcotte]

Don't know. The full quote is below
"Sharp bets it all on no-glasses 3DTV: Sharp will be shipping 3DTVs that don’t require glasses starting in June. The LCD displays will have three “sweet spots” and a visual range-finding system of LEDs embedded in the bezel so that you can sit at the precise angle and distance required in order to see the 3D effect. The instruction manual will also have directions for a multi-player version of “rock, paper, scissors” so that you can determine who gets to watch when more than three people want to watch at the same time. The company hopes to have sets with five sweet spots ready by next year."

This has GOT to be a joke! "The LCD displays will have three “sweet spots” and a visual range-finding system of LEDs embedded in the bezel so that you can sit at the precise angle and distance required in order to see the 3D effect." And what if your current viewing spot isn't one of these "Sweet spots"? You have to rearrange your entire room?
In order for this to be effective, 3D viewing has to be viewable from ALL angles. Also, what happens to the extra people when you're viewing something 3D?

[SaltiDawg]

... and what if your current viewing spot isn't one of these "Sweet spots"? ...
Rotate the TV? :lol:

[lman12]

Direct has the contract signed and is prepared to carry the new ESPN 3-D channle plus their own and are hooked up with Panasonic and other manufacturers to begin the programming with the RealD 3-D parameters. BEST BUY starts the promotion next week with the demos in all stores of the Panasonoc system.

It's here. I's Now. We're buying the Samsung.

My question is if anyone HEARD of Dish getting involved yet.

I haven't heard or seen anything in the press or in the trade mags (HT Mag, Sound & Vision, etc.) concerning Dish's plan to carry 3D programming. I will be buying a 3D set in time for ESPN's and Directv June launch of the 3D service.

My personal opinion is Dish will be carrying 3D programming later (if at all) rather than sooner. I've had Directv since 1996 and at one time had both Directv & Dish service for 5 years beginning in 2000. The reason why I dropped Dish in 2006 was NFL Sunday Ticket was likely to stay Directv only and Dish decision not to offer out of market Sports programming. IMO Charlie became like a big brother, making decisions not to offer Sports programming instead of having it available to subscribe to or not to subscribe to depending on the customer wishes. I fear the same with 3D programming on Dish, Charlie will decide it is only a fad and make the decision not to offer it to the customers.

[Kent Taylor]

Rotate the TV? :lol:

Maybe the TV will be motorized and adjustable from the remote.

[kevinturcotte]

Rotate the TV? :lol:

I have to view my TV slightly off center right now. If I want to view it dead on center, I have to go with a smaller screen.

[GrumpyBear]

Page 1, tomorrow's Best Buy Ad:

55" - 3D - 240Hz - LED - HDTV (4 HDMI, 2 USB, 1 PC inputs.)

Oh, did I mention - Free 3D Starter Set. Two sets of glasses and a BD Movie.

I wonder if, like Panasonic, they'll sell out.

EDIT: The price is $2969.99

Your point is?!
Still doesn't change the fact that there isn't enough HD 3d content out there, nor does it look like a big pipeline of HD3d content coming out soon to make 3d anything more than a neat toy, for a niche group.

All you have to do is read about the complaints with the latest 3d movies to hit the big screen to realize that 3d is still along way from being mainstream.
Clash of the Titan is just the lastest to have strings of complaints that the 3d was cool, but the 2d had more vibrant colors and the overall viewing of the movie was better.

You are old enough, to remember things like LaserDisc, another product that the players sold out, at top dollar for the 1st year. As well as how long were HD TV's on the market before they started being the lions share of the TV market, just to be sold to people with NO HD service.
FAD was the wrong word, 4 years or So 3d will have enough content and to make having a 3d TV worthy and wont be so Niche.

It would be interesting to poll all the people that buy 3d TV, if they are buying it to actually watch 3d, or are they buying the TV because its HD and the Price is good, ant it has all sorts of cool numbers like, 3d, 240hz, and all sorts of connections.

[SaltiDawg]

Your point is?! ...

Actually, my point was clear. I simply listed a nBest Buy 3d TV for sale...

I don't see your point at all. lol

[GrumpyBear]

Actually, my point was clear. I simply listed a nBest Buy 3d TV for sale...

I don't see your point at all. lol
I just got a haircut, so the point, should be easier to see now.
No offense meant and none taken.
Even though I make a point that 3d is years away from Mainstream.
I am looking at getting a new HD TV this summer. My sights are on a LED/LCD HD3d TV.:D

[phrelin]

I really hope my old Pany will last a few more years. I can't see becoming an "early adopter" of 3D TV. When the BD 3D offerings exceed 200 is when I would consider it. As far as a TV service provider like satellite or cable sending us a 3D signal, just keep in mind that they really haven't perfected 720p/1080i to a level like 99% reliability.

[GrumpyBear]

I really hope my old Pany will last a few more years. I can't see becoming an "early adopter" of 3D TV. When the BD 3D offerings exceed 200 is when I would consider it. As far as a TV service provider like satellite or cable sending us a 3D signal, just keep in mind that they really haven't perfected 720p/1080i to a level like 99% reliability.

Main features are 1080p and the LED/LCD. I wasn't going to buy a BluRay player until Lord of the Rings came out and, that time is now here.

I don't have a 1080p TV in the house, as most of my sports are broadcast in 720p native so no real reason until I went Blu to have a 1080p TV in the house. I am not even planning on any 3d service or broadcast on the new TV when I get it for sometime. For me 3d is just an added feature on the TV I am looking at.

[SaltiDawg]

Main features are 1080p and the LED/LCD. I wasn't going to buy a BluRay player until Lord of the Rings came out and, that time is now here. ...
I'd urge you to at least consider the PS3 as a BluRay player. There are some downsides, but lots of upsides.

[clapple]

If or when NFL games are in 3D, it will be time to change. At 80, I am not sure I will last that long!

[SaltiDawg]

If or when NFL games are in 3D, it will be time to change. At 80, I am not sure I will last that long!
They did a Proof of Concept broadcast 1½ years ago.

[Paul Secic]

I really hope my old Pany will last a few more years. I can't see becoming an "early adopter" of 3D TV. When the BD 3D offerings exceed 200 is when I would consider it. As far as a TV service provider like satellite or cable sending us a 3D signal, just keep in mind that they really haven't perfected 720p/1080i to a level like 99% reliability.

I'm wondering if television makers will incorporate HD & 3d in one set in 4 or 5 years?

[GrumpyBear]

I'm wondering if television makers will incorporate HD & 3d in one set in 4 or 5 years?

I haven't looked that much, just a few TV's catch my eye, but the only 3d Tv's I am interested in are HD TV's, 3d is just a side benefit.
I don't think I have seen a 3dtv that wasn't HD.

[SaltiDawg]

I'm wondering if television makers will incorporate HD & 3d in one set in 4 or 5 years?
:confused:
That's what the 3D sets are now.