DVR what will E do?

[Bob Haller]

I am wondering what all of you think E will do about our "input " on the DVR fee issue?

[Timco]

:shrug: Who knows? They have decided on a course of action and probably have done quite a bit of research on the subject. E* did not decide this on a whim. You'll get used to paying for it, just like everything else you get charged for.

Resistance is futile.

[HTguy]

Sorry to burst anyone's bubble but they won't be making any decisions based upon what they may happen to read here.

Most of the hubbub is due to misinformation, disinformation and lack of information anyway. And some of the posts are so "out there" it is obvious they come from the intellectually challenged. (I'm not going to point fingers.)

Those of us that spend so much time in these forums discussing & debating the technicalities of dbs equipment represent such a small fraction of their subscriber base that our comments are only of passing interest.

[Bill R]

I sure wish people at DBSTalk would learn how to do polls. The wording on this one is worse than the last one that I complained about.

People, if you are going to do something, learn how to do it right.

[Bob Haller]

Bill R I never posted a poll before. Please post how it should of been worded, perhaps it could be changed. I AM DEFINETLEY NOT A PRO AT THIS.

[Scott Greczkowski]

Speaking of polls all users should be able to post polls in all areas now. :)

As far as whats the truth or not, Look at this thread (http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=17205) which contains all the OFFICIAL information from Dish Network, only believe whats here because everything else is just hearsay.

[JBKing]

Damn horse! Get up, so I can beat you some more!

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[pjmrt]

First, I want to say that I think the PVR fee is a major error and will haunt E* for several years. That being said, I voted that they will continue down this path now - probably believing they will capitalize on new HDTV DVR capabilities (I don't know how if they maintain their current price structure) along with the incentive offered by going to a higher tiered programming level. And I think that should be the case. I don't know much about the financial status of E* - ultimately you have to make a profit to stay in business, and the consumer will tell the tale in the next couple of years as this is implimented. That's the American way. If Dish changed their mind based upon this firestorm I would be more worried about their stability. Good or bad, they made a decision and now its the consumer's turn to respond. Its entirely possible if they manage programming costs and equipment costs properly, that the fee may not be an issue. After all, when I pay my dish account, I pay the total. It doesn't really matter what the pieces are as long at the total is a good value compared to the alternatives.

[Larry]

No doubt E* monitors this forum and will see our feelings, but this was a financial decision and I don't see it being changed. I've been with E* for a long while and every now and then I have to shake my head in disgust. But the bottom line for me is this product still looks better to me than the other guy's.

[Bob Haller]

Ahh I am VERY interested in the outcome. I have been following E for about 7 years, have some insider contacts and management is definetely looking at this.

Right no fee stays is winning by far on this poll. But I really expect the next chat will have some news. The last time something like this came up it was the DP fee mess and that charge got put off for at least 6 months.:( largely based on internet opinions.

You know the jokes about my crystall ball. Some of my predictions are insider leaks, some good guesses. But much is logical thinking. E is by far a logic operated business. Based soley on this I believe the fee will be moderated. We as a group mirror the position of their sub base. No one in their right mind want to irritate a large number of existing customers for any business. It always easier to keep existing customers happy, than to find new ones.

This fee gets subs shopping for better deals. Even a 1% loss rate from shoppers impacts the bottom line. :) They have to take that in account.

The fee isnt at all competive with D, thats good, they didnt think this issue thru properly. So there may be more cracks coming.


Thanks for giving your opinion, I hope you are wrong!

[Neil Derryberry]

Bob... you're mad bacause E* might charge you more money. I can't argue with that.. I'm less than pleased. Remember though... D* charges a $10 fee unless you get TC premier... at least the fee schedule E* is proposing is on a graduated scale.

[Moderator hat off]
My point... quit beating the horse! You've made your point, so quit wasting database space! Get off your ass and go outside.. there's more to life than television!
[Moderator hat on]

[Bob Haller]

Neil, I am seriously curious about what posters expect to happen. The existing discussions have few predictions on the final outcome. Most think the fee is a done deal. I kinda doubt that.

Isnt the D fee $5 per ACCOUNT?

Finally I will disappear now since you obviously dont like me fanning the flames. But a good roast is more likely to get this fixed! A private e mail might have a been better to tell me to buzz off.

See the anyone who is interested on the newsgroups......

[Neil Derryberry]

It wouldn't be so bad if you didn't keep repeating yourself. I'm not telling you to buzz off per se.. but your argument would have more credibility if you were a little less obsessive.

And no... $10 per account on d*. Those who have multiple pvrs are truly in the minority.

[bishoptf]

It wouldn't be so bad if you didn't keep repeating yourself. I'm not telling you to buzz off per se.. but your argument would have more credibility if you were a little less obsessive.

And no... $10 per account on d*. Those who have multiple pvrs are truly in the minority.


I'm not sure where you get the 10 fee..This is what is advertised on D* website:

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DIRECTV® DVR with TiVo service®

How much does the DIRECTV DVR with TiVo service cost?

The subscription fee for DIRECTV DVR with TiVo service is $4.99 per month. TOTAL CHOICE PREMIER customers will receive the DIRECTV DVR with TiVo service free of charge as long as they maintain their subscription to the TOTAL CHOICE PREMIER package. If they downgrade to a package other than TOTAL CHOICE PREMIER, a $4.99 monthly fee will apply.

How much is the DIRECTV DVR with TiVo service if I have more than one DIRECTV DVR?

The DIRECTV DVR with TiVo service fee for each additional DIRECTV DVR unit is included in the $4.99 monthly service fee for each additional receiver.† If you subscribe to the TOTAL CHOICE PREMIER package, your DIRECTV DVR with TiVo service is free, no matter how many receivers you have.


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Even when the fee is the same how does dish think they can charge for inferior software. I purchased one of the orginal 501's and have lived through the crashes, missed recordings (due to lack of name based recordings not recording the complete epsiode).

I'm cheap and the no fee was the only reason for me staying with dish. Now if they roll out the fee things are more equal and the Tivo software is much superior. I've been waiting for the 921 which seems like forever, but if they roll out this fee then it looks like I'll be waiting for the HD TIVO. BTW I've been a DISH customer for 7 years.

[Neil Derryberry]

It was $10 when I had UTV's... didn't know the fee was less for Tivo. my bad...

[Inaba]

UTV's ARE $10... but DirecTIVO's are $5.

This comes from the MicroSloth deal, and the UTV service being priced substantially higher... ostensibly due to the WebTV "add on."

Load of bunk if you ask me... but yea... UTV $10, Tivo $5.

[Bill R]

Bill R I never posted a poll before. Please post how it should of been worded, perhaps it could be changed. I AM DEFINETLEY NOT A PRO AT THIS.
Bob,

I wasn't referring to any PREVIOUS poll you posted. I was referring to one that Scott made (the really bad one, the "721 happy poll" with only two choices). I know you guys do the polls for "fun" but quite frankly poll results are useless if the wording isn't right and some of them at DBSTalk (IMHO) are totally useless. I believe that if you can't do something right, you should not do it.

As for wording, I would advise you to pick up a good book at your local library. You have to make your poll (choice) answers reflect what was asked (the poll question) and those choices have to be LOCIGAL choices. Some of yours aren't (again, IMHO).

[Jacob S]

Is there any advantages of UTV over Tivo?

[Inaba]

Is there any advantages of UTV over Tivo?

Absolutely none. Tivo > UTV (and I'm a former UTV user).