Advice for New receiver

[Nina]

I need help regarding upgrading of reciever. I have a Dvr 510 and a 301. Dish has been sending me emails saying I am entitled to an upgrade of the 301. My choice of reciever. Since I just purchased a Sony XBR8 I feel I should upgrade the receiver.
This is where I stand.
1. I only subscibe to International programming which is not HD. I would like to upgrade to an HD DVR receiver and be able to use the Hd connections. Since the Sd channels are upconverted on Hd receivers.
2. I would like to record more than one channel at a time.
3. I do not mind the extra fees for an uprade.
4. I do not want a Duo receiver. Since I will still keep the 510. I want two receivers for two tv's. Or, I could still get a Duo and use it for one tv.
5. I want a hassle free receiver.
6. i looked at getting Vip 612 but they seem to have a lot of trouble from what I have been reading.
7. I do not mind buying a receiver upfront from a dealer either.
Please advice me according. Thanks in advance. I have a dish 1000plus.

[coldsteel]

I'd say get a 722K to replace the 301. Your bill will go up $3 for the additional receiver fee; the 510 becomes the secondary. Dish will require a tech install it.

[harsh]

You might as well go for an HD duo receiver. The monthly price doesn't matter as it will be your primary receiver and you won't have to pay the monthly lease fee.

I don't think you should automatically dismiss replacing both of your existing units with a Duo as your monthly cost will go down and your recording capacity and features will increase substantially. You'll also be able to record OTA and watch it on either TV if that is desirable.

Now you should be paying the programming package price plus a $6 DVR fee and a $7 solo receiver fee. With a single 722, you would only have to pay the $6 DVR fee.

[Nina]

You might as well go for an HD duo receiver. The monthly price doesn't matter as it will be your primary receiver and you won't have to pay the monthly lease fee.

I don't think you should automatically dismiss replacing both of your existing units with a Duo as your monthly cost will go down and your recording capacity and features will increase substantially. You'll also be able to record OTA and watch it on either TV if that is desirable.

Now you should be paying the programming package price plus a $6 DVR fee and a $7 solo receiver fee. With a single 722, you would only have to pay the $6 DVR fee.

Yes, this is what I pay. I want to keep the 510 as well.
Thanks for a quick response...

[phrelin]

I need help regarding upgrading of reciever. I have a Dvr 510 and a 301. Dish has been sending me emails saying I am entitled to an upgrade of the 301. My choice of reciever. Since I just purchased a Sony XBR8 I feel I should upgrade the receiver.
This is where I stand.
1. I only subscibe to International programming which is not HD. I would like to upgrade to an HD DVR receiver and be able to use the Hd connections. Since the Sd channels are upconverted on Hd receivers.
2. I would like to record more than one channel at a time.
3. I do not mind the extra fees for an uprade.
4. I do not want a Duo receiver. Since I will still keep the 510. I want two receivers for two tv's. Or, I could still get a Duo and use it for one tv.I'm a little unclear here. But if you want to feed two TV's independently and record two programs simultaneously, then you want a 722 or 722k (if you have the option, ask for a 722k). 5. I want a hassle free receiver.
6. i looked at getting Vip 612 but they seem to have a lot of trouble from what I have been reading.Since the 612 is billed as a Solo DVR, someday you might want to consider it to replace the 510 because of it's ability to record two programs. But for your primary, get a 722k or at least a 722. With that said....

There is no such thing as a completely hassle-free receiver. I have both a 722 and a 612. If you are not likely to be recording two HD programs while watching another already recorded skipping commercials, then the kludgy problems with a 612 are not likely to be a problem for you. 7. I do not mind buying a receiver upfront from a dealer either.
Please advice me according. Thanks in advance. I have a dish 1000plus.Under the current Dish monthly pricing structure, there is nothing to be gained by owning a receiver or DVR if you need four or fewer boxes.

[Nina]

I'm a little unclear here. But if you want to feed two TV's independently and record two programs simultaneously, then you want a 722 or 722k (if you have the option, ask for a 722k). Since the 612 is billed as a Solo DVR, someday you might want to consider it to replace the 510 because of it's ability to record two programs. But for your primary, get a 722k or at least a 722. With that said....

There is no such thing as a completely hassle-free receiver. I have both a 722 and a 612. If you are not likely to be recording two HD programs while watching another already recorded skipping commercials, then the kludgy problems with a 612 are not likely to be a problem for you. Under the current Dish monthly pricing structure, there is nothing to be gained by owning a receiver or DVR if you need four or fewer boxes.

I spoke to Dish aand they said they would replace my 301 with a DVR 512 since I do not subscribe to HD programming.They don't see a reason to give me a 722. I told her I wanted a 722 to use for my HD tv. She refused.
Like you mentioned. I will not record two HD programmes cause I do not have an HD package. I will be recording SD international channels.

[harsh]

Yes, this is what I pay. I want to keep the 510 as well.TV2 on the ViP722 could replace the 510 and add features. The 510 is not compatible with the newer satellites designated for the eastern United States. I'm not sure about the 512.

Being able to watch recordings on either TV is a great benefit.

[Jim5506]

Looks (from the info on DishNetwork.com) like the 512 is a neutered 625, same as 625 except with no TV2 output.

If so, it will not do MPEG4 SD, so it's for WA only.

It even comes with the USB 1.1 port - OOOOOOO!

[Nina]

TV2 on the ViP722 could replace the 510 and add features. The 510 is not compatible with the newer satellites designated for the eastern United States. I'm not sure about the 512.

Being able to watch recordings on either TV is a great benefit.

The reason I do not want to use the 722 tv 2 option is, the simpler the receiver and remote, the easier it is for my mum. I will get the 612 for her room and 722 or 722k for my room and use it as solo. ( Like Phrelin adviced). I am paying a fee of 6$ for Dvr and 7$ for my 301. How much more will I be paying?

[harsh]

Is is $10/month to keep the 510. Unless you need to record three channels at once, the 510 probably doesn't pay versus using TV2 of a ViP722.

[scooper]

If you use your 722(or 622, or 522/625) in Dual mode - it is just like having 2 solo 510s, but in one box.

[jsk]

The only disadvantage is that your mum will have access to your recordings on the DVR. Once it is set up properly, it should be as easy to use as if she had a receiver connected to the TV.

[phrelin]

Nina,
When I read more here I realized there may be installation problems related to various options. As I said in my first response, I was a little unclear about what your goals are but what I am understanding is:

You have two standard definition receivers one without recording capabilities (let's not worry about the model numbers), one connected to a new HD-capable TV used by you and one connected to a SD-only TV used by your mum.
You subscribe to SD foreign language programming only at this time.
You would like to add DVR capabilities able to record more than one channel at a time.
You want to replace one receiver with something that has an high definition output which is the goal, while forward-looking, makes everything complicated.

With this set of requirements, I see three solutions:

From a monthly bill standpoint, right now the least expensive option would be to get one ViP722/722k DVR (a) hooked to your TV with the TV1 HD output which is controlled by the infrared remote and (b) hooked to your mum's TV with a standard TV coax cable running from the TV2 out which is controlled by the UHF remote; each of you would control your own recording schedule but could share recordings; and since you already have two cables running from the dish, someone only needs to get both those existing cables to your new ViP.
From the standpoint of most independence of each TV, you could get a ViP722/722k for your TV giving you two program recording capability and use the 510 at your mum's TV; now, comes the part Dish is going to balk at - your 301 and 510 each require only a single input from the satellite dish while any new ViP DVR requires two inputs from the dish; in your case this would mean likely paying for an installation even if you bought your ViP from a dealer or on line.
If money isn't a critical issue (there actually are people for whom this is true), the most forward-looking option would be to add the minimum HD package and have Dish install a ViP722/722k at your TV (to get a 722 you need to tell them you want to hook this box to two TVs even if you don't) and a ViP612 at your mum's; obviously this would require a 24-month commitment but it would get all the necessary dish arrangements and wiring installed for a small fee, plus achieve your goals.

To me your best choices are 1. and 3.

[bnborg]

In addition, you can program the TV2 remote for "Limited Mode" for its television. That way, it can not be used to change the channel of the TV away from that set for TV2 Out on the DVR.

[coldsteel]

Also, FYI, the monthly rates for the 510 and 512 and 612 are the same $10 for being an additional receiver.