Tonight’s the night -5/23/10- LOST series finally “will we get answers or have more q

[oldschoolecw]

Tonight’s the night -5/23/10- LOST series finally “will we get answers or have more questions”?

I have been waiting for this event for some time now and I’m sure lots of you have as well.

Any thoughts on what we can expect from the series finally?

Are you saddened that this story of “LOST” will have closure as of tonight?

Will you be watching it live or DVR’ing it for viewing at your leisure?


Enjoy the end, of this great TV series:)

[pfp]

I'm guessing we'll be left with MANY more questions unanswered than answered.

[donbean]

just relax and enjoy... dont worry so much about what you get and dont get.. it is what it is... im ready for the big night myself... bring it on...

ps... i think dvr for rewatch and see it live will be in most peoples plans... the sad part is after tonight tv will go back to being that same old thing for a while...

[RunnerFL]

I'm having several friends over tonight and we're watching the Finale live. I'm also recording it.

[pfp]

I'll start watching about 45 minutes in so I can ffw the commercials.

[Marlin Guy]

http://www.time.com/time/video/player/0,32068,85425673001_1989168,00.html

[spartanstew]

ps... i think dvr for rewatch and see it live will be in most peoples plans

Even with Lost, the majority of viewers do not re-watch it.

[IndyMichael]

Too bad they didn't leave the finale on Tuesday. I'm waiting until then to watch it with my wife anyway. We still have the "What They Died For" episode to watch too.

[olguy]

I'm completely confident all questions will be answered. Or not. :lol: Sometime in the last 5 or 6 minutes Hurley will wake up in the rehab, look around, rub his eyes and say "whoa, dude. That was some goooooood stuff.":p

[spartanstew]

Does anyone know of a website that has all the questions that Lost has created and the answers (and when the answer was given). That would be a cool website.

[pfp]

Does anyone know of a website that has all the questions that Lost has created and the answers (and when the answer was given). That would be a cool website.

What are you waiting for? Get on it.

[phrelin]

Does anyone know of a website that has all the questions that Lost has created and the answers (and when the answer was given). That would be a cool website.Only sites I know of are Lostpedia (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page), the Lost.com (http://www.lost.com/) fansite, the Lost-TV (http://www.lost.com/) fansite, my all time favorite Lost: A Theory on Time Travel (http://www.timelooptheory.com/the_timeline.html) and many, many more.

[Ric]

Lostpedia was great - took me a bit but found a list of all the questions and their status (at least according to them) was an interesting read

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Mysteries

[donbean]

dark ufo is the best lost site... been a regular there since season 2... its gonna be weird when its a thing of the past...

[Lee L]

All I can say is Whiskey Tango Foxtrot!?!

[phrelin]

All I can say is Whiskey Tango Foxtrot!?!I haven't watched it yet. But People Magazine's critic wrote a spoiler-free review (http://tvwatch.people.com/2010/05/24/lost-finale-review-final-episode/) that said in part: The very long finale to ABC’s Lost was deeply touching, quite ridiculous and, in its very last seconds, so infuriating I erupted like the Smoke Beast and did a few cloudy charges around the perimeter of my apartment on the island of Manhattan. Then I ate my remote and sat down to collect my roiling thoughts.

...And then, at last, we arrived at the requiem anticipated from the start of the show. I won’t spoil it for you, except to say that it was so mistily open-ended as to be pointless: It was The Sopranos with a heavenly choir instead of Journey on the jukebox. The difference is that I wouldn’t have expected The Sopranos finale to clear up my questions about a giant stone foot.From these comments and as I suspected would be the case, I'm really looking more forward to watching the alternative endings on Jimmy Kimmel than I am to watching the series finale.:rolleyes:

[The Phantom Ghost]

Were the alternate endings already on?

[Holydoc]

Were the alternate endings already on?

Yes they were, but they were just spoofs and not actual alternate endings.

[pfp]

Yes they were, but they were just spoofs and not actual alternate endings.

Loved the first one and the last one was great too. Never watched the show the second was based on so no opinion there.

[Tecmo SB Guy]

I'm sorry but can somebody explain something to me, why weren't Michael and Walt at the church?

[Holydoc]

I'm sorry but can somebody explain something to me, why weren't Michael and Walt at the church?

Michael was forced to be a voice on the island. Walt may not have died yet.

[Matman]

From a real world view point, my thought was there was NO WAY to keep Walt in the show as being a kid when it started, he has aged a LOT in the 6 years the show has been on, while only 2 years went by in the shows timeline. They had to get rid of him, how would they explain the serious aging..... and without him, Michael was tuff to justify as he was so focused on his son.

All in all, I was happy. I still think it comes back to the line that the mother said a couple episodes ago, "Every answer I give you is just going to lead to another question". I think they had to draw a line in the sand and give us what they gave us (trying to be vague for those that didn't stay up late last nite!) which was enough to tie up the story arc's, leave a TON of room for a movie franchise if they want, and close things down.

[Church AV Guy]

I was profoundly disappointed. They promised us an ending with some closure. Well, apparently *I* was interested in things other than what L&C were intertested in. I could list some ot them, but what's the point?

[oldschoolecw]

I feel anger, disappointment, I wasted 6 years of my life and still don’t have a clear image of answers to questions. I will never watch another show from those writers, that’s how I feel today

[njblackberry]

I thought the finale was great. Yes, I would have loved to have gotten answers to pressing questions like "Why did Dr. Change change his name on every Dharma orientation film" but on the whole I was very pleased with it.

[RunnerFL]

I'm sorry but can somebody explain something to me, why weren't Michael and Walt at the church?

Because they haven't "let go".

[Indiana627]

I thought it was very, very good. I knew there was no way they could answer all the questions they posed over the show, so I didn't expect that. I'm glad we got some resolution on the characters and how they ended up. Do I have new questions now? Sure. But not enough for me to turn on the show I loved. It was very hard for me to delete my series link today.

And kudos to the composer - that was great music that really upped the emotional content.

And best line went to Charlie: "I was shot by a fat man."

[RunnerFL]

Michael was forced to be a voice on the island. Walt may not have died yet.

I wouldn't say he was forced.

[the_batman]

I thought it was very, very good. I knew there was no way they could answer all the questions they posed over the show, so I didn't expect that..."

Did they really answer any of the questions? The island, the "Others", who built the island...etc.

I was profoundly disappointed. They promised us an ending with some closure. Well, apparently *I* was interested in things other than what L&C were interested in. I could list some of them, but what's the point?

Agree, disappointed. All this time the writers knew when the end was and they couldn't come up answers.

Heck even "Life on Mars" had answers and it was rushed.

[Holydoc]

I wouldn't say he was forced.

Rewatch the Season 6 Episode where Michael is talking to Hurley. Michael is dead and explains that he is forced to stay on the island because of his deeds.

Also, if it is replayed, watch Jimmy Kimmel's "Aloha to Lost" episode (was on last night after the last episode of Lost) where he had many of the cast on his show. He asks the guy who plays Michael why he was not in the church with Walt. Michael states exactly what I said above.

Loved the show too. Lots of inconsistencies in Lost but still my favorite show. It was the only show where I had to think about it to try to figure out what I just saw.

[dpeters11]

Did they really answer any of the questions? The island, the "Others", who built the island...etc.



Agree, disappointed. All this time the writers knew when the end was and they couldn't come up answers.

Heck even "Life on Mars" had answers and it was rushed.

If the ending was that they never survived the plane crash to begin with, or the Dallas/Life on Mars dream scenario, I'd have felt even more gyped. I kind of like that there is still some mystery.

[Matman]

I thought it was very, very good. I knew there was no way they could answer all the questions they posed over the show, so I didn't expect that. I'm glad we got some resolution on the characters and how they ended up. Do I have new questions now? Sure. But not enough for me to turn on the show I loved. It was very hard for me to delete my series link today.

And kudos to the composer - that was great music that really upped the emotional content.

And best line went to Charlie: "I was shot by a fat man."

I have to 2nd both of those. Loved Charlie's line. But the music last nite was excellent, its rare to see a TV show that well soundtracked. (I know thats the wrong term, but drawing a blank for the real one)

[Doug Brott]

Hmmm .. I thought a lot was resolved ..

(1) They are no longer lost. Virtually everyone found who they were "lost" from. This included Jack who died for the cause .. he moved on to be with his Dad. This also included Ben who "found" himself.

(2) There are still two parallel worlds. The Sideways people are real, but the connection that was pushed by Desmond made it so that the sideways people knew the same thing as the real world people.

(3) If you die in real world, you die in sideways world.

(4) Everything is connected.

It was a good story .. I enjoyed the experience and would go through something like this again. I think it is very clear that the writers had a good vision and put a lot into planning and execution to get it from beginning to end.

Besides, I think part of the point of the show in the end is for us to "find" what we are missing as well. It was a subtle nudge vs. anything specific. Lost I'll miss ya.

[cdc101]

Hmmm .. I thought a lot was resolved ..

(1) They are no longer lost. Virtually everyone found who they were "lost" from. This included Jack who died for the cause .. he moved on to be with his Dad. This also included Ben who "found" himself.

(2) There are still two parallel worlds. The Sideways people are real, but the connection that was pushed by Desmond made it so that the sideways people knew the same thing as the real world people.

(3) If you die in real world, you die in sideways world.

(4) Everything is connected.

It was a good story .. I enjoyed the experience and would go through something like this again. I think it is very clear that the writers had a good vision and put a lot into planning and execution to get it from beginning to end.

Besides, I think part of the point of the show in the end is for us to "find" what we are missing as well. It was a subtle nudge vs. anything specific. Lost I'll miss ya.

Right there with you Doug. I have watched every episode of Lost since 9/04 (some more than once) and I can safely say that if my man card was revoked tomorrow for crying like a baby through the finale, I wouldn't change a thing.

The final shot when Vincent laid down next to Jack was incredible.

I will miss Lost...

[spartanstew]

I thought it was decent. Not terrible, not great. I do wish they would have answered more questions this season and not ended it with more questions. For example, one of many:

Why were they waiting for Jack? Clearly there were others that hadn't yet died in real life (Kate, Sawyer, Hurley, Ben), so I would think that Jack would have been waiting for them.

[Ron Barry]

(3) If you die in real world, you die in sideways world.



Still working the final show through my head. Couple of questions that immediately pop up. If you die in the real world you die in sideways world, then why was Sun and Jin at the Church? What about Charlie etc. Lot of dead people where in both timelines.

If they were all dead at what point did they all die? Was it when the bomb went off? if so? was everyone in the church on the island at that time? If it was the initial plan crash then how do you explain Ben?

I did a bit of reading to day and a lot of people believe that they all died on the initial play crash and the whole story was basically in between going to a higher power. Given the time line changes, the fact that you have this one time line where not everyone dies and another one where they seem to be living too I am not sure I buy that reasoning.

I personally am perplexed at the moment. Going to listen to some theories over the next week but at this point things are not even close to adding up for me.

[bleggett29]

I thought it was decent. Not terrible, not great. I do wish they would have answered more questions this season and not ended it with more questions. For example, one of many:

Why were they waiting for Jack? Clearly there were others that hadn't yet died in real life (Kate, Sawyer, Hurley, Ben), so I would think that Jack would have been waiting for them.Christian said to Jack “Everyone dies sometime kiddo. Some of them before you, some long after you.” and “Well, there is no now, here.”
To me this means that Jack was just the last to realize where he was and what happened and to let go. Some of them died before and after Jack. They could have been in limbo for many, many years before this event took place from our perspective.

[bleggett29]

Still working the final show through my head. Couple of questions that immediately pop up. If you die in the real world you die in sideways world, then why was Sun and Jin at the Church? What about Charlie etc. Lot of dead people where in both timelines.

If they were all dead at what point did they all die? Was it when the bomb went off? if so? was everyone in the church on the island at that time? If it was the initial plan crash then how do you explain Ben?

I did a bit of reading to day and a lot of people believe that they all died on the initial play crash and the whole story was basically in between going to a higher power. Given the time line changes, the fact that you have this one time line where not everyone dies and another one where they seem to be living too I am not sure I buy that reasoning.

I personally am perplexed at the moment. Going to listen to some theories over the next week but at this point things are not even close to adding up for me.I have come to the conclusion that everything that happened on the island was real including the time travel bits, smoke monster/MIB/Locke, Jacob, DHARMA and when the Ocianic 6 made it off the island. The sideways bits were the ones that was made up to find each other after their death. I believe this especially when Locke said to Jack that he didn't have a son after the surgery.

[Indiana627]

(2) There are still two parallel worlds. The Sideways people are real, but the connection that was pushed by Desmond made it so that the sideways people knew the same thing as the real world people.
I'm not sure I agree with that. I don't think the sideways people are real, rather they are just place holders for the souls of the people in the real/island world. The sideways people are just waiting for their island souls to show up/download/activate/your terminology here. After all, it was all the sideways people that had their "aha" moments of remembering their previous lives and then simply knowing what to do and where to go. That's why Locke could walk again - since he was already dead, being paralyzed is kind of a mute point.

Desmond being the special person he was realized this and went around to all the others to get them in situations so they'd remember their previous life.

[RunnerFL]

Rewatch the Season 6 Episode where Michael is talking to Hurley. Michael is dead and explains that he is forced to stay on the island because of his deeds.

Also, if it is replayed, watch Jimmy Kimmel's "Aloha to Lost" episode (was on last night after the last episode of Lost) where he had many of the cast on his show. He asks the guy who plays Michael why he was not in the church with Walt. Michael states exactly what I said above.

Loved the show too. Lots of inconsistencies in Lost but still my favorite show. It was the only show where I had to think about it to try to figure out what I just saw.

The word "forced" isn't used. I believe the word used was "stuck", as in he hasn't decided to move on yet.

[TBlazer07]

I had it figured out after the first show of the first season. They were simply dead which is ultimately what happened. It just took them a lot of years to say so. The ending was a cop-out by the writers. While it was a "sweet" ending it left me very unsatisfied. You can read all the deep dark meanings in it you want, but they simply were dead.

So what happened to the pilot and the other guy in the plane who wasn't at the "funeral?"

[RunnerFL]

(2) There are still two parallel worlds. The Sideways people are real, but the connection that was pushed by Desmond made it so that the sideways people knew the same thing as the real world people.


Not how I interpreted it, along with many others, at all. The Island stuff was real while the sideways stuff was "limbo" or "purgatory".


(3) If you die in real world, you die in sideways world.


No, because Jin and Sun didn't "die" in "sideways world". They, and everyone else, were already dead in "sideways world".

[RunnerFL]

Why were they waiting for Jack?


Not sure of the exact wording but Jack's Dad said something about where they were was chosen by all of them. I took that to also imply that since they had collectively chosen the place that they were all waiting for each other.


Clearly there were others that hadn't yet died in real life (Kate, Sawyer, Hurley, Ben), so I would think that Jack would have been waiting for them.

They may have died after Jack but they got to the church, or "let go", before Jack. Jack wouldn't accept that he was dead.

[RunnerFL]

If they were all dead at what point did they all die? Was it when the bomb went off? if so? was everyone in the church on the island at that time? If it was the initial plan crash then how do you explain Ben?


My take is that everyone died at different times. Some, like Libby, died on the island after the plane crash. Juliet died as a result of the nuke. Rose and Bernard remained on the island for their remaining years. We saw Jack die at the end. Then we also saw Sawyer, Kate, Claire, Miles, Lupidis and Richard get off the island in the plane. They went on to live out their lives and died sometime later. Hurley and Ben then ran the island for who knows how long and eventually were replaced or died.

Think about this... Penny was neither on the plane nor on the island yet she was at the church...


I did a bit of reading to day and a lot of people believe that they all died on the initial play crash and the whole story was basically in between going to a higher power. Given the time line changes, the fact that you have this one time line where not everyone dies and another one where they seem to be living too I am not sure I buy that reasoning.

I don't buy it either. I think that what we saw happen on the island was the "reality" of it all and the "sideways world" was "limbo/purgatory" where they all gathered until all of them could "let go" to "move on".

[RunnerFL]

Christian said to Jack “Everyone dies sometime kiddo. Some of them before you, some long after you.” and “Well, there is no now, here.”
To me this means that Jack was just the last to realize where he was and what happened and to let go. Some of them died before and after Jack. They could have been in limbo for many, many years before this event took place from our perspective.

Exactly, well said. I was trying to figure out how to put it best but you already did.

[RunnerFL]

I believe this especially when Locke said to Jack that he didn't have a son after the surgery.

That's exactly when it hit me too.

[RunnerFL]

I had it figured out after the first show of the first season. They were simply dead which is ultimately what happened. It just took them a lot of years to say so. The ending was a cop-out by the writers. While it was a "sweet" ending it left me very unsatisfied. You can read all the deep dark meanings in it you want, but they simply were dead.

But they weren't dead the whole time.


So what happened to the pilot and the other guy in the plane who wasn't at the "funeral?"

My guess is that they haven't "let go" yet but they weren't key enough for everyone to be waiting on them to "move on".

[bleggett29]

Thanks for the kind words above.
But they weren't dead the whole time.



My guess is that they haven't "let go" yet but they weren't key enough for everyone to be waiting on them to "move on".Or in the case of Ben; he didn't feel it right to be with these people after what he did on the island.

[Sixto]

Just found this ... http://lostmediamentions.blogspot.com/2010/05/someone-from-bad-robots-take-on-finale.html(Supposedly, not confirmed) ... Someone from Bad Robot (JJ's Production Company) take on the Finale:First ...
The Island:

It was real. Everything that happened on the island that we saw throughout the 6 seasons was real. Forget the final image of the plane crash, it was put in purposely to f*&k with people's heads and show how far the show had come. They really crashed. They really survived. They really discovered Dharma and the Others. The Island keeps the balance of good and evil in the world. It always has and always will perform that role. And the Island will always need a "Protector". Jacob wasn't the first, Hurley won't be the last. However, Jacob had to deal with a malevolent force (MIB) that his mother, nor Hurley had to deal with. He created the devil and had to find a way to kill him -- even though the rules prevented him from actually doing so.

Thus began Jacob's plan to bring candidates to the Island to do the one thing he couldn't do. Kill the MIB. He had a huge list of candidates that spanned generations. Yet everytime he brought people there, the MIB corrupted them and caused them to kill one another. That was until Richard came along and helped Jacob understand that if he didn't take a more active role, then his plan would never work.

Enter Dharma -- which I'm not sure why John is having such a hard time grasping. Dharma, like the countless scores of people that were brought to the island before, were brought there by Jacob as part of his plan to kill the MIB. However, the MIB was aware of this plan and interferred by "corrupting" Ben. Making Ben believe he was doing the work of Jacob when in reality he was doing the work of the MIB. This carried over into all of Ben's "off-island" activities. He was the leader. He spoke for Jacob as far as they were concerned. So the "Others" killed Dharma and later were actively trying to kill Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley and all the candidates because that's what the MIB wanted. And what he couldn't do for himself.

Dharma was originally brought in to be good. But was turned bad by MIB's corruption and eventually destroyed by his pawn Ben. Now, was Dharma only brought there to help Jack and the other Canditates on their overall quest to kill Smokey? Or did Jacob have another list of Canidates from the Dharma group that we were never aware of? That's a question that is purposley not answered because whatever answer the writers came up with would be worse than the one you come up with for yourself. Still ... Dharma's purpose is not "pointless" or even vague. Hell, it's pretty blantent.

Still, despite his grand plan, Jacob wanted to give his "candidates" (our Lostaways) the one thing he, nor his brother, were ever afforded: free will. Hence him bringing a host of "candidates" through the decades and letting them "choose" which one would actually do the job in the end. Maybe he knew Jack would be the one to kill Flocke and that Hurley would be the protector in the end. Maybe he didn't. But that was always the key question of the show: Fate vs Free-will. Science vs Faith. Personally I think Jacob knew from the beginning what was going to happen and that everyone played a part over 6 seasons in helping Jack get to the point where he needed to be to kill Smokey and make Hurley the protector -- I know that's how a lot of the writers viewed it. But again, they won't answer that (nor should they) because that ruins the fun.

In the end, Jack got to do what he always wanted to do from the very first episode of the show: Save his fellow Lostaways. He got Kate and Sawyer off the island and he gave Hurley the purpose in life he'd always been missing. And, in Sideways world (which we'll get to next) he in fact saved everyone by helping them all move on ...

Now...

Sideways World:

Sideways world is where it gets really cool in terms of theology and metaphysical discussion (for me at least -- because I love history/religion theories and loved all the talks in the writer's room about it). Basically what the show is proposing is that we're all linked to certain people during our lives. Call them soulmates (though it's not exactly the best word). But these people we're linked to are with us duing "the most important moments of our lives" as Christian said. These are the people we move through the universe with from lifetime to lifetime. It's loosely based in Hinduisim with large doses of western religion thrown into the mix.

The conceit that the writers created, basing it off these religious philosophies, was that as a group, the Lostaways subconsciously created this "sideways" world where they exist in purgatory until they are "awakened" and find one another. Once they all find one another, they can then move on and move forward. In essence, this is the show's concept of the afterlife. According to the show, everyone creates their own "Sideways" purgatory with their "soulmates" throughout their lives and exist there until they all move on together. That's a beautiful notion. Even if you aren't religious or even spirtual, the idea that we live AND die together is deeply profound and moving.

It's a really cool and spirtual concept that fits the whole tone and subtext the show has had from the beginning. These people were SUPPOSED to be together on that plane. They were supposed to live through these events -- not JUST because of Jacob. But because that's what the universe or God (depending on how religious you wish to get) wanted to happen. The show was always about science vs faith -- and it ultimately came down on the side of faith. It answered THE core question of the series. The one question that has been at the root of every island mystery, every character backstory, every plot twist. That, by itself, is quite an accomplishment.

How much you want to extrapolate from that is up to you as the viewer. Think about season 1 when we first found the Hatch. Everyone thought that's THE answer! Whatever is down there is the answer! Then, as we discovered it was just one station of many. One link in a very long chain that kept revealing more, and more of a larger mosiac.

But the writer's took it even further this season by contrasting this Sideways "purgatory" with the Island itself. Remember when Michael appeared to Hurley, he said he was not allowed to leave the Island. Just like the MIB. He wasn't allowed into this sideways world and thus, was not afforded the opportunity to move on. Why? Because he had proven himself to be unworthy with his actions on the Island. He failed the test. The others, passed. They made it into Sideways world when they died -- some before Jack, some years later. In Hurley's case, maybe centuries later. They exist in this sideways world until they are "awakened" and they can only move on TOGETHER because they are linked. They are destined to be together for eternity. That was their destiny.

They were NOT linked to Anna Lucia, Daniel, Roussou, Alex, Miles, Lupidis, (and all the rest who weren't in the chuch -- basically everyone who wasn't in season 1). Yet those people exist in Sideways world. Why? Well again, here's where they leave it up to you to decide. The way I like to think about it, is that those people who were left behind in Sideways world have to find their own soulmates before they can wake up. It's possible that those links aren't people from the island but from their other life (Anna's parnter, the guy she shot --- Roussou's husband, etc etc).

A lot of people have been talking about Ben and why he didn't go into the Church. And if you think of Sideways world in this way, then it gives you the answer to that very question. Ben can't move on yet because he hasn't connected with the people he needs to. It's going to be his job to awaken Roussou, Alex, Anna Lucia (maybe), Ethan, Goodspeed, his father and the rest. He has to attone for his sins more than he did by being Hurley's number two. He has to do what Hurley and Desmond did for our Lostaways with his own people. He has to help them connect. And he can only move on when all the links in his chain are ready to. Same can be said for Faraday, Charlotte, Whidmore, Hawkins etc. It's really a neat, and cool concept. At least to me.

But, from a more "behind the scenes" note: the reason Ben's not in the church, and the reason no one is in the church but for Season 1 people is because they wrote the ending to the show after writing the pilot. And never changed it. The writers always said (and many didn't believe them) that they knew their ending from the very first episode. I applaud them for that. It's pretty fantastic. Originally Ben was supposed to have a 3 episode arc and be done. But he became a big part of the show. They could have easily changed their ending and put him in the church -- but instead they problem solved it. Gave him a BRILLIANT moment with Locke outside the church ... and then that was it. I loved that. For those that wonder -- the original ending started the moment Jack walked into the church and touches the casket to Jack closing his eyes as the other plane flies away. That was always JJ's ending. And they kept it.


In the end, for me, LOST was a touchstone show that dealt with faith, the afterlife, and all these big, spirtual questions that most shows don't touch. And to me, they never once waivered from their core story -- even with all the sci-fi elements they mixed in. To walk that long and daunting of a creative tightrope and survive is simply astounding.

[RunnerFL]

Just found this ... http://lostmediamentions.blogspot.com/2010/05/someone-from-bad-robots-take-on-finale.html(Supposedly, not confirmed) ... Someone from Bad Robot (JJ's Production Company) take on the Finale:

"A lot of people have been talking about Ben and why he didn't go into the Church. And if you think of Sideways world in this way, then it gives you the answer to that very question. Ben can't move on yet because he hasn't connected with the people he needs to. It's going to be his job to awaken Roussou, Alex, Anna Lucia (maybe), Ethan, Goodspeed, his father and the rest. He has to attone for his sins more than he did by being Hurley's number two. He has to do what Hurley and Desmond did for our Lostaways with his own people. He has to help them connect. And he can only move on when all the links in his chain are ready to. Same can be said for Faraday, Charlotte, Whidmore, Hawkins etc. It's really a neat, and cool concept. At least to me."


MINDBLOWING!!

[RunnerFL]

Thanks for the kind words above.


I give credit where credit is due. I knew what I wanted to say but wasn't sure how to "put it to paper", you did it perfectly.

[bleggett29]

"A lot of people have been talking about Ben and why he didn't go into the Church. And if you think of Sideways world in this way, then it gives you the answer to that very question. Ben can't move on yet because he hasn't connected with the people he needs to. It's going to be his job to awaken Roussou, Alex, Anna Lucia (maybe), Ethan, Goodspeed, his father and the rest. He has to attone for his sins more than he did by being Hurley's number two. He has to do what Hurley and Desmond did for our Lostaways with his own people. He has to help them connect. And he can only move on when all the links in his chain are ready to. Same can be said for Faraday, Charlotte, Whidmore, Hawkins etc. It's really a neat, and cool concept. At least to me."


MINDBLOWING!!Wow! Makes perfect sense.
Probably won't happen, but this would make another great series.

[RunnerFL]

Probably won't happen, but this would make another great series.

So many things from LOST would make great spin offs. I would love to see a cop show with Sawyer and Miles or a comedy featuring Hurley running a fried chicken chain. :lol:

[Lee L]

My take is that everyone died at different times. Some, like Libby, died on the island after the plane crash. Juliet died as a result of the nuke. Rose and Bernard remained on the island for their remaining years. We saw Jack die at the end. Then we also saw Sawyer, Kate, Claire, Miles, Lupidis and Richard get off the island in the plane. They went on to live out their lives and died sometime later. Hurley and Ben then ran the island for who knows how long and eventually were replaced or died.

Think about this... Penny was neither on the plane nor on the island yet she was at the church...



I don't buy it either. I think that what we saw happen on the island was the "reality" of it all and the "sideways world" was "limbo/purgatory" where they all gathered until all of them could "let go" to "move on".

THis is kind of where I am coming down on this as well. I did think it is a little disingenuous to be telling people all along it is not purgatory, then have part of the show be purgatory after all. Sure, they only said it was not purgatory specifically in regards to the island I guess, so in a lawyerly way, they did not go back on that, but it does seem like a shortcut out to me.

The stuff in the link that Sixto posted resonates with me as well, I just had been holding out hope that this would be something new and different and not directly based on every single religious and secular archetype out there.

[phrelin]

Just found this ... http://lostmediamentions.blogspot.com/2010/05/someone-from-bad-robots-take-on-finale.html(Supposedly, not confirmed) ... Someone from Bad Robot (JJ's Production Company) take on the Finale:In the end, for me, LOST was a touchstone show that dealt with faith, the afterlife, and all these big, spirtual questions that most shows don't touch. And to me, they never once waivered from their core story -- even with all the sci-fi elements they mixed in. To walk that long and daunting of a creative tightrope and survive is simply astounding. If that description of the show's primary intent is true, then I have a problem with Abrams. If the show "dealt with faith, the afterlife, and all these big, spirtual questions" I didn't see much depth in it considering the number of hours of show time involved.

Perhaps the hint was the "Dharma" Initiative, which name I pondered many times waiting for less science fiction and more religious philosophy. To me, in the end the theme shifted into the world of fantasy and mysticism without ever touching the core conflict of Dharmic thought. Yes, we see in the characters a direction of change which could be interpreted as beings attempting to live in accordance with righteous duty in order to achieve dharma yukam, moksha or nirvana depending on individual beliefs. But at no time was any element of dharma yukam (which can refer to Abrahamic heaven), moksha or nirvana addressed even when we had the priest impersonator.

I can't help but feel a sense of coincidence that when the issue of time-space-dimensions was played out, ordinary drama related to human interaction was shifted to an Old Testament good v evil play with an actual devil to smite. Perhaps cleverly. But not satisfying at all, IMHO.

Maybe I expect too much from television. But "Battlestar Galactica" actually "dealt with faith, the afterlife, and all these big, spiritual questions" boldly, head on, as an underlying theme. Of course, I wasn't totally happy with its ending either.

[RunnerFL]

THis is kind of where I am coming down on this as well. I did think it is a little disingenuous to be telling people all along it is not purgatory, then have part of the show be purgatory after all. Sure, they only said it was not purgatory specifically in regards to the island I guess, so in a lawyerly way, they did not go back on that, but it does seem like a shortcut out to me.

Yeah, I was a bit ticked by them flat out denying that it was purgatory then it turns out part of it was. I guess we can chalk that up to them specifically meaning the island part. Still bugs me though.


The stuff in the link that Sixto posted resonates with me as well, I just had been holding out hope that this would be something new and different and not directly based on every single religious and secular archetype out there.

Me too.

[RunnerFL]

But "Battlestar Galactica" actually "dealt with faith, the afterlife, and all these big, spiritual questions" boldly, head on, as an underlying theme. Of course, I wasn't totally happy with its ending either.

And I'm still PO'd about the BSG ending.

[Scott Kocourek]

It will be a long time before we get to see a show this great again. Thanks to all involved in making a super series.

[Church AV Guy]

Okay, I have one question. How did all those Dharma vans, and all the other very heavy equipment, get to the island? Am I to believe that the submarine was large enough to carry all that stuff? The whole derek style drilling rig with multiple diesel engines seems like it would be difficult, if not impossible to get over on the sub. They CERTAINLY could not have attached it to the outside of the sub:D. Maybe in parts and assembled it on the island, but what a project that would be! They would really have needed a freighter:eek:

[tsmacro]

I'd say the ending was consistent with the rest of the show. I'll miss it because in the entertainment world and it seems tv especially everything is copy of many generations of copies that came before it. Lost managed to at least feel fairly fresh and unique and that was welcome change of pace over the majority of your available tv options. The nice thing about Lost and shows like it is that it reminds us a tv show can make you think and still be fun to watch and not all tv has to be mindless brain candy.

[tsmacro]

Okay, I have one question. How did all those Dharma vans, and all the other very heavy equipment, get to the island? Am I to believe that the submarine was large enough to carry all that stuff? The whole derek style drilling rig with multiple diesel engines seems like it would be difficult, if not impossible to get over on the sub. They CERTAINLY could not have attached it to the outside of the sub:D. Maybe in parts and assembled it on the island, but what a project that would be! They would really have needed a freighter:eek:


Ok there were smoke monsters, time travel, dead people would walk around and talk to people, island guardians with mystical powers bestowed upon them by a glowing light at the heart of the island and the part that you have "one question" about for is how they got stuff to the island? :lol:

[Scott Kocourek]

[...] They would really have needed a freighter:eek:

Didn't Whitmore bring a freighter and an airplane?

[The Merg]

Hmmm .. I thought a lot was resolved ..

(1) They are no longer lost. Virtually everyone found who they were "lost" from. This included Jack who died for the cause .. he moved on to be with his Dad. This also included Ben who "found" himself.

(2) There are still two parallel worlds. The Sideways people are real, but the connection that was pushed by Desmond made it so that the sideways people knew the same thing as the real world people.

(3) If you die in real world, you die in sideways world.

(4) Everything is connected.

It was a good story .. I enjoyed the experience and would go through something like this again. I think it is very clear that the writers had a good vision and put a lot into planning and execution to get it from beginning to end.

Besides, I think part of the point of the show in the end is for us to "find" what we are missing as well. It was a subtle nudge vs. anything specific. Lost I'll miss ya.

Hmmm. I didn't it see it that way...

I saw it that the parallel world was almost like a purgatory for when the characters died in the real world. As Jack's father stated, they created it so they could find themselves again. And I didn't read it that when they died in the real world, they died in the sideways world for this reason...

Hugo tells Ben that he was a good #2 and Ben tells Hugo he was a good #1. That would only have happened after the timeline of the show had ended. I think the sideways world was waiting until they all died in real life so that they could find each other again and then finally move on.

Overall, I thought it was a good episode and a good ending to the series. A lot of questions were answered. Not all, but some significant ones.

- Merg

[frederic1943]

Check out a one minute summery of Lost with cats. :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-DShnvNNv0&feature=player_embedded



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[RunnerFL]

Okay, I have one question. How did all those Dharma vans, and all the other very heavy equipment, get to the island? Am I to believe that the submarine was large enough to carry all that stuff? The whole derek style drilling rig with multiple diesel engines seems like it would be difficult, if not impossible to get over on the sub. They CERTAINLY could not have attached it to the outside of the sub:D. Maybe in parts and assembled it on the island, but what a project that would be! They would really have needed a freighter:eek:

It all probably got there via Dharma Drop just like the food.

[Church AV Guy]

Ok there were smoke monsters, time travel, dead people would walk around and talk to people, island guardians with mystical powers bestowed upon them by a glowing light at the heart of the island and the part that you have "one question" about for is how they got stuff to the island? :lol:
I expected someone would reply to my post with this. I will give you an example: During Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom, there was a scene where the evil priest reaches into a man's chest and pulls out his still beating heart--without the guy dying. He then lowers the guy, without his heart yet still alive, into a lava pit. The man's body bursts into flame, and his heart, still in the priest's hand, also bursts into flame. There was no real reaction from the audience in the theater. later in the film, the good guys are escaping from the bad guys in the mine, by riding in an ore car. The track is damaged, and at high speed, the ore car flies off the track into the air, sails along and then falls perfectly back onto the track and continues on. At this point, the audience in the theater where *I* saw the movie exploded in a bunch of loud comments: "Give me a break!" "That's ridiculous!" "That's crazy. Who do they think they are kidding!" and about a dozen others of similar character. We are REQUIRED to give them the "special" parts of the story, it's what the story is about, but the common mundane parts HAVE to make sense or we are pulled right out of the story. It's the common bits that bug me, not the "plot essential" ones.

Many viewers have pointed out Jack on 24 can drive across the LA basin in a few minutes in the show--utterly impossible. but that Jack can have his ribs broken in episode six, and later, only half a day later in show time, during episode eighteen, he can have an extended hand to hand fight with a really tough guy and beat him. One is common, and we KNOW it to be impossible, the other is a premise of the show that we are required to accept.

[BobbySteelz]

So many things from LOST would make great spin offs. I would love to see a cop show with Sawyer and Miles or a comedy featuring Hurley running a fried chicken chain. :lol:

That's true. Or even the life of Sayid as he was being a hired killer for Ben or soemthing would be a really great series. Widmore's rise to power? There are so many possibilities..

[tsmacro]

I expected someone would reply to my post with this. I will give you an example: During Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom, there was a scene where the evil priest reaches into a man's chest and pulls out his still beating heart--without the guy dying. He then lowers the guy, without his heart yet still alive, into a lava pit. The man's body bursts into flame, and his heart, still in the priest's hand, also bursts into flame. There was no real reaction from the audience in the theater. later in the film, the good guys are escaping from the bad guys in the mine, by riding in an ore car. The track is damaged, and at high speed, the ore car flies off the track into the air, sails along and then falls perfectly back onto the track and continues on. At this point, the audience in the theater where *I* saw the movie exploded in a bunch of loud comments: "Give me a break!" "That's ridiculous!" "That's crazy. Who do they think they are kidding!" and about a dozen others of similar character. We are REQUIRED to give them the "special" parts of the story, it's what the story is about, but the common mundane parts HAVE to make sense or we are pulled right out of the story. It's the common bits that bug me, not the "plot essential" ones.

Many viewers have pointed out Jack on 24 can drive across the LA basin in a few minutes in the show--utterly impossible. but that Jack can have his ribs broken in episode six, and later, only half a day later in show time, during episode eighteen, he can have an extended hand to hand fight with a really tough guy and beat him. One is common, and we KNOW it to be impossible, the other is a premise of the show that we are required to accept.

Luckily for me when i'm watching tv or watching a movie I know it isn't "real" so i'm able to just watch and enjoy. I think i'd probably drive myself nuts if I sat there and picked out all the parts that just aren't possible in real life. I just let myself accept that these shows or movies are taking place in their own little universe and are meant to entertain and if things in them don't happen like they do in my universe wells that's ok too. I was talking about Lost with a friend and he was convinced that everyone died in the plane crash and his evidence that there was no such thing as time travel and smoke monsters and such in the real world, plus add to the fact that people don't generally survive plane crashes, so obviously that meant in his mind that everything that happened after the plane crash couldn't have been "real". That's when I said wait a minute, you're talking about a tv show here and you're trying to compare it to what's real in the real world?

[RunnerFL]

That's true. Or even the life of Sayid as he was being a hired killer for Ben or soemthing would be a really great series. Widmore's rise to power? There are so many possibilities..

"Ben & Locke: The New Odd Couple", "Penny's Boat" (A re-imaging of The Love Boat), "Frogurt" and so many more...

[Church AV Guy]

The one that really appeals to me is the Miles and Sawyer cop show. A close second might be the high school drama with Ben and Locke as sensitive teachers.

What *I* would like is a show about the Dharma people, how it started, what its goals were and how it got corrupted and eventually died.

[DiSH Defector]

I had it figured out after the first show of the first season. They were simply dead which is ultimately what happened. It just took them a lot of years to say so. The ending was a cop-out by the writers. While it was a "sweet" ending it left me very unsatisfied. You can read all the deep dark meanings in it you want, but they simply were dead.


Apparently not; you may want to go back and watch the last half-hour again cuz I'm pretty sure you've missed the point. Everything that happened on the island really happened and was part of the real world. It was only this season's "flash-sideways timeline" that was imaginary where they were all dead.

I think a lot of people got confused about thinking they all died in the crash, because of the footage during the credits of all the O-815 wreckage. ABC has since stated that they placed the footage there to soften the transition for viewers to the late local news.

[pfp]

I think a lot of people got confused about thinking they all died in the crash, because of the footage during the credits of all the O-815 wreckage. ABC has since stated that they placed the footage there to soften the transition for viewers to the late local news.

Makes one wonder it it will still be there for the Saturday rerun.

[Church AV Guy]

It was, and there were pop-ups (enhanced) too.