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Dustin_Moore
09-04-03, 11:06 AM
Since it hasn't been posted here yet.
Discovery HD
HD Net
HD Movies
ESPN HD
on 110 until superdish comes out. programming starts 9/16
Information obtained from Claude Greiner www.dbsforums.com via Retailer Chat
doctorsoils
09-04-03, 11:16 AM
Wow. This is what I have been waiting to hear!
Any news about receivers? With 6000 on its way out, is there anything about 811?
Thanks.
MC
AppliedAggression
09-04-03, 11:17 AM
Since it hasn't been posted here yet.
Discovery HD
HD Net
HD Movies
ESPN HD
on 110 until superdish comes out. programming starts 9/16
Information obtained from Claude Greiner www.dbsforums.com via Retailer Chat
excellent. now all i need is a hdtv :D.
is espn HD just espn mirrored in HD, or is it a seperate channel.
Mark Lamutt
09-04-03, 11:19 AM
EspnHD is a separate channel, but currently most of their programming is mirrored from the main ESPN channel.
That's great news! Especially about the mirroring at 110!!! Thanks Dustin.
Dustin_Moore
09-04-03, 11:21 AM
EspnHD is a separate channel, but currently most of their programming is mirrored from the main ESPN channel.
That's great news! Especially about the mirroring at 110!!! Thanks Dustin.
Apparently they will mirror to 110, 61.5, 148
DRATS! ESPN-HD won't be up in time for the Bears Sunday night ESPN coverage on 9/14.
Dustin_Moore
09-04-03, 11:26 AM
Looks like the target date for 921 & 811 is November 1st.
What about BravoHD, Sharper Movies HD (by Starz), InHD, InHD2, etc?
Yea Charlie! :)
Maybe he has been listening!!!!!!!!!
JStanton
09-04-03, 11:51 AM
What about BravoHD, Sharper Movies HD (by Starz), InHD, InHD2, etc?
Yeah, what a ripoff. I'm moving to D* tonight. :rolleyes:
Seriously, I bet there will be more coming once SuperDish is out, but you'd be hard pressed to say that the 3 new ones aren't the most highly anticipated/most requested.
I called and talked to a (not very knowedgeable) CSR. She couldn't find anything about how to order it yet. Anybody who does please post the magic words to tell the CSR!
- Jim
belsokar
09-04-03, 11:54 AM
couple questions....what is the legitimacy of the Nov 1 date for the 811 and 921? Is this just another date being thrown out that may easily be tossed aside? or was it somehow based on some more substansive evidence (like software/hardware being finalized and ready to build?)
assuming a 921 or 811 comes out, will I be able to use my dish 500 for the time being and get these channels? (Assuming of course the superdish isn't available right away?)
thanks
enforcer
09-04-03, 11:56 AM
I thought the 811 would be available in October???? I personally just want the 811 instead of the 921. Funds mostly. Anyone that can give me info would be great. It's great to see that Dish got on the ball and got the most wanted channel in HD (Espn-HD). Great job Dish!
What about BravoHD, Sharper Movies HD (by Starz), InHD, InHD2, etc?
This appears to be a temporary solution until the Superdish is up and running; I doubt these channels will remain on 110 for very long, just long enough to give customers a reasonable time to install the Superdish.
I suspect we may here references to other channels coming on the Superdish in the very near future. Certainly, they will want to emphasize that the HD content on 110 is temporary, possibly by making it a free preview for 30-60 days. They may also emphasize this using a HDTV demo or info channel on 110 degrees, as well as their web site.
I'm hoping we will see a detailed timetable of what will be available, when, and where at the Charlie Chat next week.
If they mirror those on 148 great news. If 110 that sucks for us in Alaska. It's good to here that they are adding them either way though.
I'm happy to see that E is providing programming for the people that currently own a HD reciever. This does nothing for me. I'm in the market to buy a HD reciever, the 6000 is not an option. two more months wait for the same programming as the competition does not compute in my world. E needs to make a press release on future plans and pricing next week. Charlie and retailer Chat's is not the proper forum for this type of information. Mention it in the CC, then make a press release and then deliver the goods.
Anyone know when they are coming? Is it one of those "coming in fall" but they don't say what year?
cbusbee
09-04-03, 12:21 PM
I just read on DBS forum that the start date for the HD pack is Sept 17. $9.95 for the 4 channels is a good value. I'm very happy that Charlie and Dish decided on this approach. I think it makes the most sense - a win-win. THANKS AGAIN DISH. I'm glad I chose you for my satellite provider. Now I will see my Dolphin on Sept 21.
angiodan
09-04-03, 01:03 PM
Yippie Ky Yay!
Mike Russell
09-04-03, 01:27 PM
Now I just need a receiver.The 811 will do,just let us buy it.
Here is a thought, howabout they sell us a 6000 receiver now for $299 with a free trade up to an 811 as soon as it's available. Then Dish can sell the used 6000's for $199 or as giveaways with programming commitments. Dish doens't loose any money and they get to sell product today. :)
I tried to get a 6000 last month. Dish doesn't have any, and after checking with local retailers, apparently very few, if any, are out there. Dish told me they are out of production, so it would take just as long to get 6000s into subscribers hands as it would 811s.
I am still waiting on the definitive word as to when 811 and the 921 will be available.
enforcer
09-04-03, 02:36 PM
I tried to get a 6000 last month. Dish doesn't have any, and after checking with local retailers, apparently very few, if any, are out there. Dish told me they are out of production, so it would take just as long to get 6000s into subscribers hands as it would 811s.
I am still waiting on the definitive word as to when 811 and the 921 will be available.
From a very good source:
The 811 will be available later october early november. THe superdish is having some production problems and they are working the kinks out. This pushed back the release date a few. Not too much longer now guys. Keep hanging in there. Good to hear ESPN-HD is in the new package.
Chris Freeland
09-04-03, 02:38 PM
It is nice to see good news about E*for a change :) . For what it is worth, it was reported by Scott over at dbsforums that Bravo-HD+ would be added to the package after the SuperDish becomes available. This $9.99 price is exactly what I have ben predicting it would be too, $1 less then D* ;) .
enforcer
09-04-03, 02:44 PM
It is nice to see good news about E*for a change :) . For what it is worth, it was reported by Scott over at dbsforums that Bravo-HD+ would be added to the package after the SuperDish becomes available. This $9.99 price is exactly what I have ben predicting it would be too, $1 less then D* ;) .
Contacted Dish today about the package and asked about Bravo HD. I spoke directly with a tech and supervisor and they both confirmed Bravo HD will be on when superdish is available. So add Bravo onto the list.
wileadams
09-04-03, 03:06 PM
I had word from Bravo a few weeks ago that they would be on DISH once their new dish was available. My only question is what will I now be charged since I got the 8psk upgrade and signed up for DiscoveryHD in late May for a year???
I guess that only time will tell.
I just talked with a Dish CSR and she told also confirmed the monthly price, but also told me that the annual price would be $109.89 (which IS a discount off of the 9.95/month price). For those of us who have already paid the $95.88 annual DHDT subscription, we'll be able to pay $14.01 (+ partial month pro-rate) on 9/16 and have an annual subscription to the whole (as yet) enchilada. WooHoo!
Chris Freeland
09-04-03, 04:38 PM
Oh, No! Monday's Charlie chat will be a big disappointment once again for us here, we will already no what he is going to talk about . :D
If this is true, Dish will be keeping me as a customer. Comcast has announced they are rolling out HD in my area on 9/19 and I was planning to dump Dish for failure to deliver on HD promises. I'm currently paying $8 a month for Discovery HD, so for $2 more I get the new channels?
I tried to get a 6000 last month. Dish doesn't have any, and after checking with local retailers, apparently very few, if any, are out there. Dish told me they are out of production, so it would take just as long to get 6000s into subscribers hands as it would 811s.
I am still waiting on the definitive word as to when 811 and the 921 will be available.Well, the latest word (on today's RChat) was that 811 & 921 are on target for "late Oct." Realistically, that means they will be coming out the end of the pipeline early Nov.
According to Charlie (today) 6000u's will be around thru October and willl be discontinued "then."
If you really want a 6000u now you can find one if you call around or buy a used one on eBay. (If you get one on eBay w/o the 8psk module you can get one from dish for free with an annual pre-pay for the HD Pak.)
BTW, I just watched the RChat again. After talking about "late Oct." for the new rcvrs Charlies said Nov. 1st was the "target date" for the new HD rcvr systems w/SuperDish. (SD for locals should be shipping early Oct.)
I called DISH and the CSR didn't know what HDTV was.
jeffwtux
09-04-03, 09:48 PM
I can tell everbody that the absolute latest date that the 921 would be shipped will be Superbowl Sunday, because it's the grand prize for their Fantasy Football. I'm not saying it won't be out earlier, just that's the worst case.
jeffwtux
09-04-03, 09:57 PM
Yeah, what a ripoff. I'm moving to D* tonight. :rolleyes:
Seriously, I bet there will be more coming once SuperDish is out, but you'd be hard pressed to say that the 3 new ones aren't the most highly anticipated/most requested.
I called and talked to a (not very knowedgeable) CSR. She couldn't find anything about how to order it yet. Anybody who does please post the magic words to tell the CSR!
- Jim
Beggars can't be choosers. Now is hardly the time to be complaining. They have clearly been listening to our complaints and have done virtually everything we have asked for including at least announcing ESPN-HD at the start of the NFL season, maybe we will miss a game or two, even I am satisfied with that(of course I don't care personally, just as a retailer, I don't even have an HDTV, just a 20 inch TV and a 508). Charlie gets a thumbs up from me tonight. I won't say anything bad about him for at least a week, probably longer. How many cable systems have BravoHD or InHD anways right now. Plus, $9.99 is a great price. Charlie rules tonight.
oblio98
09-04-03, 10:13 PM
Wow! Charlie has saved me a lot of $$$$. I was almost ready to jump to DTV.
$9.99 for all 4! (Makes me feel like a loser for paying the $7.99 for DiscoveryHD all those months.)
Mark Holtz
09-04-03, 10:27 PM
I wonder if, if you only subscribe to the HDTV package, they will charge a $5 access fee...
Ron Barry
09-04-03, 10:53 PM
Is there some place to get an idea of the programming on HDNet and HD Movie? Would be interested what can be expected on those channels.
Chris Freeland
09-05-03, 06:27 AM
I called DISH and the CSR didn't know what HDTV was.
Why am I not surprised? :D
Chris Freeland
09-05-03, 06:31 AM
I wonder if, if you only subscribe to the HDTV package, they will charge a $5 access fee...
You think! :D
Martyva
09-05-03, 06:33 AM
it's channel 112 right above and related to DIY ;)
dmodemd
09-05-03, 07:14 AM
So do you all think they will keep these new HD channels mirrored on 61.5 for awhile for those slow migrators to SuperDish? Do they need to motivate current HD people to go to Superdish? Or will they just ramp up on new HD installs and catch the laggers later (a la Dish 500). I imagine that it would take them awhile to produce enough SuperDish's to accommodate all the current HD subscribers, especially if there were channel(s) that could only be acquired by SuperDish.
I would guess they would mirror to 61.5/148 until they have enough supply to cover existing HD people and then give them carrot/stick to upgrade.... new channels only on SuperDish + upgrad deal for existing customers (hopefully FREE with 1yr commit).
Jeraden
09-05-03, 08:42 AM
I was excited about this until I went to www.hd.net and saw their programming lineup. There are a few things on HDNet I might watch, although nothing I'm that eager to see. However I couldn't find a single movie in the 7 day guide on HDNet Movies I'd even want to watch.
Toucano
09-05-03, 08:56 AM
Is everyone confident that the bandwidth exists on 110 to make this watchable, or should we expect an increase in compression on the other 110 channels?
Either way, its probably the right thing to do to stop churn caused by the lack of ESPN HD right now.
This seems to be the first good call Dishnetwork has made in awhile.
Taucano,
According to Lyngsat, Echostar has three unused transponders on 110--sufficient for six HDTV channels with 8PSK. Standard channels are on different transponders and should not be affected.
Mike123abc
09-05-03, 09:47 AM
I am personally hoping to keep them on 61.5/110 until they get the DishProPlus 4 satellite switch out. I do not want to give up my 61.5 dish and buy a new switch to point it to 105 for a few months only to have to buy another new switch to get it back.
I have a switch 64 right now. I do not want to have to buy a DP switch and legacy adapters for just a few months before they come out with DPP where you no longer need the adapters and get 4 satellites back.
Darkman
09-05-03, 11:03 AM
I called DISH and the CSR didn't know what HDTV was.
That is very common...
As in any other organization, very often CSRs just "do not have any clue"
:sure:
Darkman
09-05-03, 11:07 AM
Wow! Charlie has saved me a lot of $$$$. I was almost ready to jump to DTV.
$9.99 for all 4! (Makes me feel like a loser for paying the $7.99 for DiscoveryHD all those months.)
according to Sept 4th, Retailer Chat - it will be a great deal and a simple procedure to be upgraded from $7.99 to $9.99 (HD pack upgrade)...Just a Phone call :)
For ONLY 2 bucks extra p/month - it DOES really sound as a "great deal"
Lyle_JP
09-05-03, 11:21 AM
Are HD Net movies edited for basic cable, or shown uncut?
GreyGhost00
09-05-03, 11:23 AM
For ONLY 2 bucks extra p/month - it DOES really sound as a "great deal"
Or was the $7.99 just a "really, really BAD deal?"
BobMurdoch
09-05-03, 12:04 PM
Once again folks, a little perspective...........
1. ESPN HD next week, along with 2 HD Net channels. In effect Discovery HD drops to $2.50 a channel if all 4 are given equal value.
2. 811 & 921 around Nov. 1st. And these are hard dates in a press release that investors have used to bid up the stock price, so I'm feeling good about them right now.
3. 811 goes up to $399, buit everyone assumed it was a typo anyway.
and most importantly.........
4. These channels will go onto the existing birds NOT the new birds that require the Superdish for now. So anyone with equipment can view them until they get the new system up and running.
This is good news people. Let's give E* some props for delivering some good news for a change to us that doesn't involve LIL additions.
BobMurdoch
09-05-03, 12:09 PM
There are also rumors that the 811 price may include a Superdish. Monday's chat will be interesting.......
Once again folks, a little perspective...........
1. ESPN HD next week, along with 2 HD Net channels. In effect Discovery HD drops to $2.50 a channel if all 4 are given equal value.
2. 811 & 921 around Nov. 1st. And these are hard dates in a press release that investors have used to bid up the stock price, so I'm feeling good about them right now.
3. 811 goes up to $399, buit everyone assumed it was a typo anyway.
and most importantly.........
4. These channels will go onto the existing birds NOT the new birds that require the Superdish for now. So anyone with equipment can view them until they get the new system up and running.
This is good news people. Let's give E* some props for delivering some good news for a change to us that doesn't involve LIL additions.
Bob, you say the new channels will be available next week, do you mean they'll be on earlier then 9/16???
BobMurdoch
09-05-03, 12:16 PM
No 9/16th is the date..
My bad, I rounded down to "a week", but it is really a week and a half.
belsokar
09-05-03, 12:40 PM
where is this press release??? haven't seen it yet
where is this press release??? haven't seen it yet
Here's the link:
http://www.corporate-ir.net/ireye/ir_site.zhtml?ticker=dish&script=410&layout=-6&item_id=446229
jeffwtux
09-05-03, 01:15 PM
I have a stupid question. You know how on the ESPN-HD commercials it says, "sponsored by Philips and Best Buy"? Now that it's on Dish, will a large Dish retailer like Sears, Radio Shack, CompUSA, or Costco want to be a "sponsor" of ESPN-HD and added to the commercial? I wonder if that was part of Dish's negotiating.
AndyMon
09-05-03, 08:58 PM
Once again folks, a little perspective...........
3. 811 goes up to $399, buit everyone assumed it was a typo anyway.
Bob, how can it have been a typo when it was announced on the Charlie Chat? Yes, I heard $299 spoken! I know I did, damnit!!!
:confused:
ride525
09-05-03, 09:35 PM
Bob, how can it have been a typo when it was announced on the Charlie Chat? Yes, I heard $299 spoken! I know I did, damnit!!!
:confused:
Yes it was spoken on the July Technical Chat. No correction either. And no correction on August Charlie Chat...
Full Dish HD press release here (http://www.corporate-ir.net/ireye/ir_site.zhtml?ticker=dish&script=410&layout=-6&item_id=446229)
Unthinkable
09-05-03, 10:53 PM
Are HD Net movies edited for basic cable, or shown uncut?
Pretty sure I read somewhere that Mark Cuban is a stickler for showing uncut and unaltered versions of HD content.
John Kotches
09-06-03, 06:42 AM
I had a meeting with Dish's PR people, and a nice long discussion regarding all of this.
All of the reported info so far has been spot on:
811: $399 (not the earlier reported $299)
Superdish: Realistic timeline Mid-October to November in consumers hands.
Channels: ESPN-HD, HDNet, HDNet Movies all available on Sept. 16.
Other things not directly covered earlier:
The new content (mostly to keep up with DirecTV right now, with more to come later) will stay on 110 for the forseeable future, so that there's some time to get SuperDish into the pipeline and installers up to speed.
Personal opinion: They won't migrate these 3 channels to 105 until June of 2004
Also, as reported by others earlier, with America's Everything will have no DVR fees, I think AT150 has a $5 fee, and AT100 has a $10 fee.
That's all for now, time to head off to the first event of the day.
Regards,
Contributing Editor,
Widescreen Review (http://www.widescreenreview.com)
Also, as reported by others earlier, with America's Everything will have no DVR fees, I think AT150 has a $5 fee, and AT100 has a $10 fee.
Contributing Editor,
Widescreen Review (http://www.widescreenreview.com)
Where did you get this information? $10 for AT100 is new.
I had a meeting with Dish's PR people, and a nice long discussion regarding all of this.
All of the reported info so far has been spot on:
811: $399 (not the earlier reported $299)
Superdish: Realistic timeline Mid-October to November in consumers hands.
Channels: ESPN-HD, HDNet, HDNet Movies all available on Sept. 16.
Other things not directly covered earlier:
The new content (mostly to keep up with DirecTV right now, with more to come later) will stay on 110 for the forseeable future, so that there's some time to get SuperDish into the pipeline and installers up to speed.
Personal opinion: They won't migrate these 3 channels to 105 until June of 2004
Also, as reported by others earlier, with America's Everything will have no DVR fees, I think AT150 has a $5 fee, and AT100 has a $10 fee.
That's all for now, time to head off to the first event of the day.
Regards,
Contributing Editor,
Widescreen Review (http://www.widescreenreview.com)Thanks for the info, John. It's always good to have you posting here. Your contributions are highly valued by me, and I'm sure other DBSTalk members would agree. :)
Darkman
09-06-03, 08:33 AM
a bit incorrect
correct is:
america's Everything = no fee
at150/100 = 5 dollars
at50 = 10 dollars
BobMurdoch
09-06-03, 01:40 PM
Thanks for the info, John. It's always good to have you posting here. Your contributions are highly valued by me, and I'm sure other DBSTalk members would agree. :)
I've been a subscriber to Widescreen Review since the third issue at least a decade ago and they are a valuable source for all things in the Home Theater arena. My eyes glaze over when they get into some of the technical details of new technologies, but their coverage of DVDs are great and they were one of the first publications to embrace (and push) the D-Theater format to give true recordable HD content prior to anyone else.
Thanks for the inside scoop. We're desperate for any first hand account info that is out there.
John Kotches
09-07-03, 11:01 PM
Darkman,
Thanks for the correction :D
Tampa8, I didn't have my notes in front of me when I was typing this post in -- but if you read all the words of my post, I did point out I wasn't 100% sure when I typed I think around the fee structures for the DVRs.
I was also very careful to mark the area of personal speculation, since Dish didn't give a date for if/when HD content being launched at 110 is moved to 105.
Regards,
John Kotches
09-07-03, 11:05 PM
Nick and Bob,
THanks for the positive feedback. I've been lurking for awhile on DBSTalk, and it's an interesting bunch to say the least :)
Also, thanks for supporting WSR, I appreciate it, and I know that Gary Reber does as well.
Generically speaking:
For anyone wondering, I've been a Dish subscriber since 1999 and am in the same HD boat as the rest of the gang. After speaking directly with several people (PR and Technical) I do feel much better about Dish's HD strategy.
Is it September 16th yet???
Regards all,
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