New 301 Software?

[btbrossard]

I noticed that the guide on our 301 reciver now holds 36-48 hours worth of data instead of the previous 1-2 hours.

I'm assuming this is due to new software. The 301's software is P184.

If it is due to a software update, Thanks Dish. It works great. :D

/Benjamin

[Mike D-CO5]

It 's a shame that it took to now to get this software update. I have always thought they could have done this , but they used to say that the memory was not as big in a 301 receiver. I used to tell people to upgrade to a 500 series dvr so they could escape the slow non existent guide on the 301. Now what difference will there be in the 301 guide and the new 311 guide.

The Dish csr I talked to a couple of weeks agoa said that this software update would basically turn the 301 into a 311, like years ago when they did a upgrade of a 4700 to a 4900 by software update. Maybe they will do another software update when the 311s come out so they will all be the same in function and software.

[Darkman]

Anyone has any idea if this 36-48 hours Guide capability (instead of 1-2 hours) will be applied to 3900s and/or 4900s any time soon or eventually?
:)

or if 301 is the only Lucky one? :)

[Mike Richardson]

Waaa. All my 301s still have this funky P210 software.

[Darkman]

if yours is 210 and not 183, - you will NOT be getting 184...
evedently there are 2 types of 301 machines... some of them are at 183 or 184 (etc) series,
the other ones though (such as yours) are at 210

[btbrossard]

if yours is 210 and not 183, - you will NOT be getting 184...
evedently there are 2 types of 301 machines... some of them are at 183 or 184 (etc) series,
the other ones though (such as yours) are at 210
I have one of each.

The one that is at 184 now got the dish home software at least 6 months before the one that is now at 210.

There is definitely at least two versions of the 301. When I called to ask about the dish home on one receiver and not the other I was told that the software for the second receiver would come out quite some time after the dish home software for the first.

About the 184 software, I also noticed that a search feature has been added to the 301. The new software makes a huge difference.

/Benjamin

[Mike Richardson]

So, would it be reasonable to say that the receivers that have P210 are, well, crappier? Perhaps they have less memory or something. My 501 has Dish Home Pay Per View and my 301s don't. At least they're all rented though.

[Darkman]

btbrossard - on the back of your receiver:

What does it say for the model # on p184's one (301.010 or 301.013)?
and
What does it say for the model # on p210's one (301.010 or 301.013)?

Mike Richardson - What model is on the back of your 301 with that p210 on it?

[btbrossard]

btbrossard - on the back of your receiver:

What does it say for the model # on p184's one (301.010 or 301.013)?
and
What does it say for the model # on p210's one (301.010 or 301.013)?

Mike Richardson - What model is on the back of your 301 with that p210 on it?

The receiver with p184 software has is a 301.013.

The receiver with the p210 software is a 301.010.

/Benjamin

[adkinsjm]

On the Dish Network website there are 3 different software version, 1.83, 1.84, and 2.10. Are there 3 different types of receivers now?

[AppliedAggression]

Anybody know if in fact the 301-010 will be getting the new software update as well? I'm sure hoping so.

[Darkman]

adkinsjm - the fact that there are 3 different ones there is because - 184 is only being tested by Dish now, and not spread to all IRDs...
When it will officially become available to all IRDs, 183 will disappear there from that website, leaving only 2 - 184 and 210 (but for now - 183 is official, and 184 is the "test" one)

btbrossard - yes, as i thought 184 = 301.013, and 210 = 301.010 (because 013's Tsop they say is twice as large as 010's one)
That is why - i am not even sure if 301.010 one would be able to get that Good Guide as 301.013 some day, or if it is out of luck on that...
Only Dishnetwork's Tech people might know about that...

[Mike Richardson]

Mike Richardson - What model is on the back of your 301 with that p210 on it?

All I can see on the back is:

Model: DP301

Reg. ID: 010

The box it came in identifies it as a remanufactured unit.

So I guess that means 301.010?

[Mike Richardson]

btbrossard - yes, as i thought 184 = 301.013, and 210 = 301.010 (because 013's Tsop they say is twice as large as 010's one)
That is why - i am not even sure if 301.010 one would be able to get that Good Guide as 301.013 some day, or if it is out of luck on that...
Only Dishnetwork's Tech people might know about that...

What's Tsop?

If the 301.010 model has less memory, maybe they could cache the first 4 hours or so (what it normally gets and caches anyway when you access the guide and get "retrieving info"), so at least the guide PIP will load instantly.

[Darkman]

Tsop is an electronic thing inside IRD...
So i guess if .013's Tsop is twice as large as .010's, it holds twice as much Memory then...
(or something like that)

[Jacob S]

I thought they said a while back that all the 301's would be getting a new compressed guide in which would allow it to go in advance about 2 days and solve the 'acquiring info from sat' problem in the PIP guide and did not think it was due to memory.

If some of these 301's are in fact going to have this new update and some with less memory are not, then I wonder if the 311's would have more memory than the 301's that did get this P184 update. I would think that they would so I wonder what additional capability will be put into the 311 as a result.

[newsub]

I thought they said a while back that all the 301's would be getting a new compressed guide in which would allow it to go in advance about 2 days and solve the 'acquiring info from sat' problem in the PIP guide and did not think it was due to memory.

If some of these 301's are in fact going to have this new update and some with less memory are not, then I wonder if the 311's would have more memory than the 301's that did get this P184 update. I would think that they would so I wonder what additional capability will be put into the 311 as a result.

Ok from the system info screen i got this:
dp301
rev103
p183dasd-N

Don't see the model number. What can one make out from these numbers?

[Mike Richardson]

If some of these 301's are in fact going to have this new update and some with less memory are not, then I wonder if the 311's would have more memory than the 301's that did get this P184 update. I would think that they would so I wonder what additional capability will be put into the 311 as a result.

What was the difference between those 4x00 receivers that were upgraded to 4900, and the actual 4900? (I think it's the 4000s, might be 3000s)

[Darkman]

newsub - if you see some posts above - 183 means you have 301.013 (and you eventually will be getting new 184 software that is being tested at some IRDs currently, and that improves things..)

The model number of your IRD is printed on the Label on the Back of your Machine...
In your case - it would say 301.013 there :)

Mike - 4700s only were upgraded to 4900s (to be exact)

[Evil Capserian]

Oh Darkman, you got such a sexy avatar now. Does'nt it now make you feel ruggedly handsome now? :lol:

[P Smith]

Darkman,

Easy for ppl distinguish the models by first letter after version of SW string from System Info screen:
if p183dasd-N - see "D" then better model
if p210eacd-N - see "E" then worst.

Interesting to know code names for the two different receivers.

E - Echo ?
D - ?

[Darkman]

Evil - Thanks for complement :)

P.Smith - Ah.. I see - Thanks..

E - Echo
D - DirecTV
(Just kidding) :)

[Mike Richardson]

Mike - 4700s only were upgraded to 4900s (to be exact)

Is there a hardware difference between a box that says 4700 on the front and a box that says 4900 on the front?

P Smith:
Maybe E = Excellent and D = Dismal? :sure:

[P Smith]

I would open both and compare. I have only 4700 what was upgrade to 4900.

[Jacob S]

So can the 301's with the 013 rev versions can be compared to a 3800 in which were later upgraded to 3900 software in that the 301 with rev 013 is becoming a 311?

If that were true then does that mean that 301's with rev. 010 would be like a 3700 in which would not be able to get the upgrade and would remain a 301?

Or are the rev. 013's going to still remain a 301 just an upgraded version of it (not called anything else like the 3900 was from a 3800) and then the 311's still be an upgrade beyond the rev.013's?

I am guessing that they are not upgrading rev.13's before rev.10's to get the same software because the rev.10 was at P183 before getting P184 in which saw the enhancement whereas the rev.10's are already at P210, above P184. What was the last software version of the rev.10's before they received P210?

[music_beans]

What is different in P210 from P184

[AppliedAggression]

What is different in P210 from P184


A whole lot. 184, has all the features mentioned above. 210 has none of them.


Is 211 out? Don't see it on dish's site.

[P Smith]

No, they skip P211, now spooling P212 for gamma testing ;).

[rtt2]

Do the "E" receivers read Echostar on the front of them. I have three of the 310 with the eacd-N and they all read echostar on the smart card door.
The 301s I see that they are giving away/selling now say Dish Network. I wonder if this is the difference along with some of the insides.

[Darkman]

I heard some rumors though that p211 might come out soon, and it will have simular good features as p184 has for .013s....

Not sure how true those rumors are though :)

[Mike D-CO5]

I just got the 184 software on my 301 and now it is stuck in a perpetual reboot cycle. It tries to download the program guide and then blue screen . I can't seem to break it no matter what I do. Unplugged it , smartcard reset, switch check to no avial. So I guess it's rma time again. :mad:

[adkinsjm]

The new P1.824 software is pretty nice. I really love the search feature that I missed when I had AT&T Broadband a couple of years ago. I just wish it was spooled out to all ird's since the bootstraps of my 301's are slightly different.

[Bill R]

Here are the new features that are in version 1.84 (for the 301-013) and version 2.11 (for the 301-010) software:

Faster Guide Access - the 48 Hour EPG is now stored in flash ram.
EPG Search - you can access this feature either by themes or pressing the # key.
Improved "Point Dish" screen - the main screen shows just a transponder and signal strength. The check switch option will automatically show a "view". To check the switch, you need to select "Test" from this screen. Also, there is an option for "Optimal Angles". This is where you will now find the pointing information. SuperDish support is also included here, as well as all satellite locations.
You can now hide locked channels from the guide.
You can now lock the local map-down channels separately.


Note: As of today (9/15/03), version 2.11 has not been released. It might have a different version number (2.12 or later) when it is publicly released.

[P Smith]

Well,
Then we should ask JohnH - he is the guy who monitoring all channels, what versions are in air ?

[Darkman]

Bill R - if 2.11 is not released yet, not even to few irds only (as test)...(according to Dish's software page) - How do you know 2.11 does really exist?

Bill R - Do you think the same improvements (expecially 48 hour guide) will eventually be given to 3900s and/or 4900s, or if those only for 301s?

[P Smith]

XXXX models versus XXX have only 2 MB RAM opposite to 8 MB in newest DPXXX.

[Darkman]

thought newest DP301 (301.013) has 4MB and not 8MB?

[P Smith]

Ugm, then let call CSR and ask second level support ;).

[JohnH]

Well,
Then we should ask JohnH - he is the guy who monitoring all channels, what versions are in air ?

I don't monitor that. It is not worth monitoring. When it shows up on my receiver, it was up there for me. :)

[Bob Saylor]

Is Dish slowly upgrading the 301s? I have the .013 version but I haven't received the new upgrade yet. My unit is usually off between midnight and 10:00 AM so I wonder if they are doing one section of the country at a time. I'm in rural Southwest WI.

[TonyM]

Is Dish slowly upgrading the 301s? I have the .013 version but I haven't received the new upgrade yet. My unit is usually off between midnight and 10:00 AM so I wonder if they are doing one section of the country at a time. I'm in rural Southwest WI.

Im in MN and got the upgrade almost a week ago.

Make sure your receiver can do upgardes without your permission

[Mike Richardson]

XXXX models versus XXX have only 2 MB RAM opposite to 8 MB in newest DPXXX.

Does model XXX and DPXXX get XXX and XXX with the XXX-deluxe package for $XXX?

[Bill R]

Bill R - if 2.11 is not released yet, not even to few irds only (as test)...(according to Dish's software page) - How do you know 2.11 does really exist?

It is "in the labs" (at Echostar). That is about all I can say without getting someone in trouble.

Bill R - Do you think the same improvements (expecially 48 hour guide) will eventually be given to 3900s and/or 4900s, or if those only for 301s?

I haven't heard anything about the older receivers but if I hear anything I'll post it in this forum. Echostar is tight-lipped on what improvements they are working on (or considering) in upcoming software releases.

I miss the old days when Mike Dugan did the tech chats and you could call-in (or e-mail) and get answers to questions like yours. Now, with all the call screeners, it is next to impossible to find out what their plans are for older receivers. It seems like they only want to discuss the new stuff.

[huh]

You can now lock the local map-down channels separately.
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Sorry for the stupid question but please explain what that means.

[Evil Capserian]

Hi Bill R. I've seen your posts over the last few years and your information is dead on accurate. I understand you keep saying I cannot reveal my sources without getting someone in trouble and I am all for that. Just that to me it kinda feels like someone is dangling the answer to the meaning of life on a string in front of me and I know the info there is true and correct but my curious mind mind will always wonder who wrote the answer. In any event, keep on posting, nice to get inside info once in a while.

[Darkman]

Evil C...
I heard the same (at some other place) - that 2.11 should be coming out soon...

[Capmeister]

I recently bought two 301 boxes to retire my older 3000 models. One had a blue card, the other yellow. The yellow smart card box doesn't delay when bringing up the tv screen corner in the guide. The blue card one does.

Am I missing a software upgrade?


I'm new here, by the way. :-)

Cap
Co-owner of TVShowBoards.com

[UnnDunn]

How long will it take to download the 24hr guide? Will I need to leave the receiver off a few hours every night to download it?

[AppliedAggression]

How long will it take to download the 24hr guide? Will I need to leave the receiver off a few hours every night to download it?


Yes, the receiver needs to be off. You should turn it off anyway, there's no reason to leave it on besides to waste electricity.

[Bill R]

You can now lock the local map-down channels separately.
Sorry for the stupid question but please explain what that means.
The local chanels are "mapped-down" from the 8000 group to their local channel numbers. Previously if you locked out the local channels in the 8000 range, the mapped-down channel (local channel number) was locked out too. Now you can lock out one without losing the other from the EPG.

[P Smith]

Yes, the receiver needs to be off. You should turn it off anyway, there's no reason to leave it on besides to waste electricity.
Kind of not true - all receivers doesn't turn off, they always working: in normal or standby mode.

[Bill R]

Hi Bill R. I've seen your posts over the last few years and your information is dead on accurate. I understand you keep saying I cannot reveal my sources without getting someone in trouble and I am all for that. Just that to me it kinda feels like someone is dangling the answer to the meaning of life on a string in front of me and I know the info there is true and correct but my curious mind mind will always wonder who wrote the answer. In any event, keep on posting, nice to get inside info once in a while.
EC,

I have been trying for several years to get DISH to post this kind of information on their web site but they won't. I can see where they don't want to reveal information about security fixes but the information that I posted here is helpful to all 301 owners. When they change screens (like they have with the recent changes for mult-slot support), they cause a lot of confusion for the users AND the installers (they are doing away with the dish 500 "dual signal strength bar" for most receivers) and they get a lot a calls to confused (and usually) ill-informed CSRs. They could save themselves a lot of support calls if they released this information and the users would be happier knowing what new features (or changes) they are getting.

[JosephF]

Just look inside the units and you will see that there are two different 301 architectures. One based on an LSI processor and the other on ST.

These two designs have different software, thus the standard of two software listings on the E* web site.

My guess is that with the 301 being the bulk of their fielded product, E* did not want to rollout the software to both versions at the same time, just in case something went wrong.

I would expect P211 (or whatever it ends up being) to start rolling out fairly soon.

[AppliedAggression]

I'll be here waiting. It's a great, great addition to the 301. Thanks Echostar!

[UnnDunn]

I turned off the box for a few hours last night, and it downloaded the P184 update.

Finally I can use Picture-In-Guide! :) The box has guide data till about 8pm tomorrow.

[AppliedAggression]

I turned off the box for a few hours last night, and it downloaded the P184 update.

Finally I can use Picture-In-Guide! :) The box has guide data till about 8pm tomorrow.


Can I ask you why you don't normally turn your receiver off?

[UnnDunn]

Can I ask you why you don't normally turn your receiver off?
Because the same receiver box is piped to every TV in every bedroom in the house.

There's usually someone wanting to watch something in bed...

[AppliedAggression]

Because the same receiver box is piped to every TV in every bedroom in the house.

There's usually someone wanting to watch something in bed...


Ahh...gotcha. Too bad UHF remotes are so expensive or else each person could have one. Not sure if you can add a UHF to a 301 but I believe there was an adapter of sorts. At least the person who's watching Tv would be able to switch channel anywhere in the house. Just a suggestion.

[31Media]

Well, as of now:

My p183 receiver just upgraded to.....p200
My p184 remains at p184, even though *it* usually upgrades first........

[James]

Well, as of now:

My p183 receiver just upgraded to.....p200
My p184 remains at p184, even though *it* usually upgrades first........



This says p200 started on the 3rd

James





http://www.dishnetwork.com/content/customerCare/technical/software_versions/index.asp

[Darkman]

NO - wrong..
p200 started on 18th... p184 started on the 3rd :)

Have another more carefull look :)

[James]

NO - wrong..
p200 started on 18th... p184 started on the 3rd :)

Have another more carefull look :)

Woops! My bad :sure: