Force a software upgrade?

[awax]

I have a 301 with 1.83 and a 501 with 1.98. I have tried using E*s instructions for downloading new software but it doesn't work, is there anything else I can try?

[scooper]

Wait for it to come to your units. E* doesn't necessarily send it to all units at once.

[Marcus S]

Whether you have an old inactive receiver, DP301 or greater, that had been in the closet or a current active receiver... turn off the receiver from the remote (not from the receiver) and wait at least 20 mins, you will receive the latest software. You can also force the upgrade by navigating the menu to "check for latest updates" and the receiver will dial in to dish. When successfull, pull the smart card until the receiver displays the System Information Screen, re-insert the smart card and the receiver will display "receiving firmware upgrade, do not interupt", "receiving authorization, do not interupt." If you have a 5000 or older receiver, wait at least 1hr to receive the upgrade. If you have successfully received the update on 5000 or older receivers, pull the power plug for 8 secs to install the upgrade upon reboot.

[newsub]

Whether you have an old inactive receiver, DP301 or greater, that had been in the closet or a current active receiver... turn off the receiver from the remote (not from the receiver) and wait at least 20 mins, you will receive the latest software. You can also force the upgrade by navigating the menu to "check for latest updates" and the receiver will dial in to dish. When successfull, pull the smart card until the receiver displays the System Information Screen, re-insert the smart card and the receiver will display "receiving firmware upgrade, do not interupt", "receiving authorization, do not interupt." .

Ok I did try this. I have had the receiver off all night and it won't pull down the latest update. I tried to make it dial into dish and it said it didn't need to. Is there another way to get it to dial into dish?

[Marcus S]

What version do you have, what version are your trying to get? Have you turned off the receiver from the remote for 20 mins??

[newsub]

What version do you have, what version are your trying to get? Have you turned off the receiver from the remote for 20 mins??

301 and 1.83. I just turned it off before I wrote on here.

[Darkman]

I think it's normal for your receiver to be 1.83, cuz 2.00 is only "testing" currently and not given to all the IRDs...

That is why on that software upgrade page - they got 2 entries there for current 301.013 software..
When 2.00 officially goes to ALL the irds - 2.00 will become the only entry there under Current for 301.013s

[newsub]

I think it's normal for your receiver to be 1.83, cuz 2.00 is only "testing" currently and not given to all the IRDs...

That is why on that software upgrade page - they got 2 entries there for current 301.013 software..
When 2.00 officially goes to ALL the irds - 2.00 will become the only entry there under Current for 301.013s

I just want my 1st receiver to have 1.84 like my 2nd receiver does. I left the 1st receiver off all NIGHT and it still has 1.83. There has to be a way to get it to take 1.84.

[Darkman]

During the "testing" stages - it's random ..
SO you can't predict if they give it to you or not....

Besides - i suspect - even if they d give you something else for this receiver or even for the one with 1.84, it will not be 1.84 but the new 2.00 that they are also "testing" now (and that is not "official" upgrade neither... same as v 1.84)
:)

[boba]

Newsub your two receivers will never have the same version of software. If you look at the plate on the back of your receivers, top right hand corner you have two different ID'S one is 010 the other is 013. There are two different versions of DP301 you have one of each. The software versions to do the same things are different version numbers. I think 1.83 goes with 013s and1.84 goes with 010.

[Darkman]

boba - i think you are incorrect - check with dishnet software page...
both 183 and 184 and 200 means the receiver is 301.013

301.010s are 210

It's not really mentioned on that page there... but i visit that page often - and learned how to understand the info posted there...

P.S. Besides it was mentioned at other threads now too that .010 is 2.10, where .013 is 1.83 (and some are now being "tested" at 1.84 and 2.00) :)

[Bob Saylor]

I'm also still waiting for 1.84. My receiver is a 013 and is off all night. It is encouraging to hear that I'm not alone but I wonder why it's taking so long to catch up.

Dish says they send out the upgrades at different times but this is a couple of weeks now. Some subs are at 2.00 already.

I didn't find anything in the menu of my 301 that said "check for latest upgrades" so I couldn't try to force one. I wonder where that's at? Or maybe it was part of an upgrade I didn't get yet.

[Darkman]

the only thing you should have somewhere on the menu is an option to have Upgrade download either: "Without my Permission" or to change that option to "Ask my permission before download" (where a box would pop up on your screen when they are ready to send you the upgrade saying: "there is a new free software upgrade available... Do you want it?" ..and choices: "Yes" , "No" or "Cancel".. at this time if you click on "Yes" - you d be ready to download the upgrade... However (as it would also mention in this box) - in order to get that upgrade your receiver must be turned off.. So you d have to turn it off with the remote control.. and Wait... What would happen - lets say within like 5 mins or so... or it can take up to 1/2 hour or so - the Green light on the receiver would go on on its own (at this Point - DO NOT Touch)... when the green light shuts off - in about few seconds, or a min or so, (depending on the model of ird or the software itself) - then you got the upgrade.. you can turn the machine back on - and check for the S/W version...
Of course you do not have to wait for the Green Light...
If you have to leave home lets say at that time, or go to sleep or something, - the next time you turn it on - you should have that upgrade for sure :)

now as to your .013 getting (or in your case - not getting) 1.84 or 2.00 new versions - one more time - that is NORMAL...
both 1.84 (and by the looks of the dish software upgrade page it looks like the thing of the past) and it's replacement 2.00 ... both are non-official software version (meaning not all irds are getting them, but only some random ones.. not sure about percentage).... The official software version for .013s is 1.83 (which you already have)....
When 2.00 (or whatever it might be by that time) becomes official - can't be that long i figure - all the irds including yours will be getting it...

You have to learn to understand that Dishnet's software upgrade page ... and the entries on it for different IRD models....I somehow seems to learn to understand the concept there...

again that page is: http://www.dishnetwork.com/content/customerCare/technical/software_versions/index.asp

Note there - the confusion really on that page with 301s, cuz there are 2 models .013 and .010 (they should really have those listed separatly maybe)
For all other models it's easy to understand - ... if on the left side (near the ird model) - only 1 entry - then that is the official version (and all irds should have it)...
But in some other cases - example 501s - there are 2 entries for the current software that is being spooled - where the older/smaller # version (generally) represents official S/W version, and the newer/greater # version (generally) represents unofficial S/W version (that is more likely just being "tested" at some randomly selected percentage of IRDs, before it goes Official and Widespread to ALL the irds)

hehe - i hope i didn't confuse you even futher with my noncense :)

[Bob Saylor]

Thanks, Darkman. You helped clear up the mystery. I won't be concerned about it anymore. I'll just wait patiently for 2.00.

[P Smith]

Darkman,
The word "randomly" is totally incorrect here ( probably you should know it - we are know from that site where is posted full explained those download criterias). The process is totally deterministic.

[Marcus S]

I'm also still waiting for 1.84. My receiver is a 013 and is off all night. It is encouraging to hear that I'm not alone but I wonder why it's taking so long to catch up.

Dish says they send out the upgrades at different times but this is a couple of weeks now. Some subs are at 2.00 already.

I didn't find anything in the menu of my 301 that said "check for latest upgrades" so I couldn't try to force one. I wonder where that's at? Or maybe it was part of an upgrade I didn't get yet.

Darkman, is correct on the firmware version you will receive on the DP301 you have. You will find the update smart card option on the Diagnosic menu. Make sure you have a phone line connected. If the update is successfull, your prep'd to receive the latest firmware upgrade for your version of receiver.

If it fails, keeps retrying or call E* to flash the SIM. The SIM version must be able to support the receiver firmware upgrade. This typically happens automagically in the wee hours of the morning. If the receiver is not connected to a phone line, then E* will have to flash the SIM and then you should receive the receiver firmware upgrade shortly thereafter.

[newsub]

Darkman, is correct on the firmware version you will receive on the DP301 you have. You will find the update smart card option on the Diagnosic menu. Make sure you have a phone line connected. If the update is successfull, your prep'd to receive the latest firmware upgrade for your version of receiver.

If it fails, keeps retrying or call E* to flash the SIM. The SIM version must be able to support the receiver firmware upgrade. This typically happens automagically in the wee hours of the morning. If the receiver is not connected to a phone line, then E* will have to flash the SIM and then you should receive the receiver firmware upgrade shortly thereafter.

see i tried the update smart card option and it told me it didn't need updated. So I don't know what to do.

[P Smith]

Marcus S,

What is that mean - SIM ?

Never before smart card upgrade was link to receiver's software upgrade. Are you speculate ? Kind of fairy tail :).

[adkinsjm]

I just got the P2.00 upgrade on my second 301. I don't have that receiver connected to a phone line, so I don't know Marcus S. was talking about. Just be patient and be sure to leave your receiver off all night and you will get the upgrade. By the way, the P2.00 is official now. I just noticed it on Dish Network's website.

[Bob Saylor]

Yes, I contacted dish and they said all 301s will have the 2.00 version within a few days. Apparently the 184 was a test version and when it went well they created 2.00 and that will be the latest update.

[Mike D-CO5]

The 184 version I got last week on my Dads 301 made the receiver go into perpetual reboot and turned itself on and off over and over. So we rmad that one and the new receiver replacement got the 2.00 version and it works fine now.

[Mike Richardson]

I hope we see an update for the crappy 301s soon too. (there will have to be one for SuperDish anyway).

[Darkman]

one doesn't need a phone line connected to get the upgrade... and by the way as mentioned above, according to that Dish's software page:
301 P2.10,
301 P2.00,

those are now official versions and should be available to all irds now...2.10 for .010s and 2.00 for .013s
1.84 is thing of the past...
LOL - that what i was talking above in my previous posts..
When tests are over - everyone would be offered it..

and BTW - i see there 3900s are now being offered new version too 1.94 (instead of 1.92) - and it looks like that 1.94 it is not official one but a "test" version for now.. So not all IRDs are getting it yet..

[BobaBird]

Also, the receivers do not dial in to trigger an upgrade. When your serial number is up, the rcvr will tune to the appropriate satellite transponder the next time it is put in standby (aka off).

[Marcus S]

I just got the P2.00 upgrade on my second 301. I don't have that receiver connected to a phone line, so I don't know Marcus S. was talking about. Just be patient and be sure to leave your receiver off all night and you will get the upgrade. By the way, the P2.00 is official now. I just noticed it on Dish Network's website.

2.00 is a major release. Your receiver will not accept it until your SIM version updates first. That is why E* placed the option on the Diagnosic Menu. Let us know after you find this option on the Diagnostic Menu if it is a new revelation that it existed. Normally the SIM update spools from satellite 1st, then the receiver accepts the firmware update from satellite 2nd.

You will notice on the System Info Screen that both the receiver and SIM have software versions, 2.0 for example, does not contain the SIM upgrade.

[Bill R]

During the "testing" stages - it's random ..
SO you can't predict if they give it to you or not....

Besides - i suspect - even if they d give you something else for this receiver or even for the one with 1.84, it will not be 1.84 but the new 2.00 that they are also "testing" now (and that is not "official" upgrade neither... same as v 1.84)
:)

First thing: the software is NOT sent out randomly. DISH (and ONLY DISH) knows which receivers are getting the software and you can NOT force a software upgrade if it is not meant for your receiver.

Second thing: The version 2.00 software is NOT test software. It is an official upgrade. ANY software with a "P" in it is PRODUCTION software, NOT a Beta or "test" version.

[newsub]

2.00 is a major release. Your receiver will not accept it until your SIM version updates first. That is why E* placed the option on the Diagnosic Menu. Let us know after you find this option on the Diagnostic Menu if it is a new revelation that it existed. Normally the SIM update spools from satellite 1st, then the receiver accepts the firmware update from satellite 2nd.

You will notice on the System Info Screen that both the receiver and SIM have software versions, 2.0 for example, does not contain the SIM upgrade.

I did indeed get it. Really neat. Has a new screen to tell what type of telephone you have (rotary,pulse,wireless jack, if you need a prefix and what prefix you need to dial out). Other than that it has a faster loading guide where the picture in picture works right off the bat (no "please wait.... "message). I didn't see much else that caught my eye.

[P Smith]

Will be interesting to see that magic Diagnistics screen (SIM) - nobody have it excluding you Marcus. Or Dish's beta testers ;).
Post please screenshots, then we will discuss it.

BTW, may be you will have courtesy for explain the abbreviation ?

2.00 is a major release. Your receiver will not accept it until your SIM version updates first. That is why E* placed the option on the Diagnosic Menu. Let us know after you find this option on the Diagnostic Menu if it is a new revelation that it existed. Normally the SIM update spools from satellite 1st, then the receiver accepts the firmware update from satellite 2nd.

You will notice on the System Info Screen that both the receiver and SIM have software versions, 2.0 for example, does not contain the SIM upgrade.

[Marcus S]

Will be interesting to see that magic Diagnistics screen (SIM) - nobody have it excluding you Marcus. Or Dish's beta testers ;).
Post please screenshots, then we will discuss it.

BTW, may be you will have courtesy for explain the abbreviation ?

Diagnostic Menu, Dial In. Surprise! Everyone has it.
SIM = Smart Card

[Lurking]

I have been monitoring this post for some time. Sure enough, Dialin, your SIM has been updated. Pulled the power plug, "please wait, do not interupt upgrade".

When the F* did Dish add this option to the DP301?

[G Marinchek]

Got it here too, now running 2.00. Yoo Hoo!

Don't worry Marcus, the most seasoned here seem to miss a beat from time to time. But very Thanks!

[Darkman]

First thing: the software is NOT sent out randomly. DISH (and ONLY DISH) knows which receivers are getting the software and you can NOT force a software upgrade if it is not meant for your receiver.

Second thing: The version 2.00 software is NOT test software. It is an official upgrade. ANY software with a "P" in it is PRODUCTION software, NOT a Beta or "test" version.

1. My Engllish is not perfect - so yes - "Selective" is a better word then then "random" - but - lol - the idea is the same - not all receivers were getting it at the time that more then ONE software version was shown at that Dishnet's software upgrade page...

2. Version 2.00 is indead NOT a test version (not any longer anyhow) - It is an official upgrade now and is available to all the irds....
"P" or whatever doesn't concern me anyhow - all i ment to say - 2.00 didn't become official until the other day - when on that Dish's software upgrade page 2.00 became the only current entry for 301.013... Until that time - it was NOT available to all the 301.013s irds.. Therefore - no matter how you call it at that time - "Official, but selective", "Official-selective until wide-spread to ALL the irds" or simply "test" or "testing" version as i simply "made up" as a matter of speech ( one can look at it as slang :) )... The point is/was - it was NOT available to all the irds... therefore wasn't "officially wide-spread to ALL the irds" (another slang)...
LOL - therefore - i still preferred to call it as "test" version at that time (be it correct or incorrect, official or non-official, right or wrong, slang or not - piece of terminology)

3. Hehe - I am one weird dude :)

[Jacob S]

So the 010 301's will not get the P2.00 software or software that does the same functionality that the P2.00 does?

[Darkman]

who knows.. (only Dish does i guess) - but current official, wide-spread to all IRDs software for .010's is p2.10