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Martyva
10-02-03, 08:53 AM
Be prepared for a pleasant suprise, concerning HDTV!
rollua1
10-02-03, 09:30 AM
details please ?
No one likes the boy that cried wolf
Martyva
10-02-03, 09:53 AM
Bark Barque
Mike123abc
10-02-03, 09:56 AM
I am no longer worried about Dish and HDTV... They have 105 finally working and adding the first 30 HDTV channels will not be a problem.
Now the only thing to worry about is if a channel will be too "expensive" to put in the package (aka YES type battle).
Cyclone
10-02-03, 10:28 AM
Well. Don't forget, that Dish held off all summer long on the HD package only to finally put them up 110 of all places.
I think we might have a lot of HDTV channels being carried when they are first introduced. And this will not be a capacity issue.
Still, My guess on the HDTV announcement will be:
Bravo-HD, Cinemax-HD, or TMC-HD will be announced.
Or
Martyva just figured out that the 921 is going to be released in Nov along with the 811 and still thinks its breaking news.
Mike123abc
10-02-03, 01:31 PM
I would expect to see a bunch of enhanced definition channels soon. Especially the USA channels like USA and SciFi.
BobMurdoch
10-02-03, 01:35 PM
http://www.skyretailer.com/#Story2 10/02/03
SkyRetailer is reporting The Movie Channel HD coming to D* and E* on Dec. 1st.
tm22721
10-02-03, 05:23 PM
http://www.skyretailer.com/#Story2 10/02/03
SkyRetailer is reporting The Movie Channel HD coming to D* and E* on Dec. 1st.
With all of this good HD news it's too bad that E* can't seem to announce a date for the 921 release, and Mark at Dish Depot has no idea of when he will get his first shipment.
Mike123abc
10-02-03, 08:36 PM
With all of this good HD news it's too bad that E* can't seem to announce a date for the 921 release, and Mark at Dish Depot has no idea of when he will get his first shipment.
It is easier to put a satellite into orbit than it is to get the bugs out of a DVR ;)
ibglowin
10-02-03, 08:42 PM
Yea, TIVO should know!
John has reported that Dish Network currently has five transponders dedicated to HDTV on 105 degrees, carrying seven channels. With the current four HD feeds to remain on 110 for quite some time (as reported by Scott), that means Dish Network probably has at least three new HDTV feeds in the works for the near future.
dmodemd
10-03-03, 09:59 AM
I think Scott said it would be more than 3 less than 10 channels on Dec. 1st.
I would say TMC-HD, Starz-HD, Max-HD, Bravo-HD...
maybe INHD1/2...
Lee
Be prepared for a pleasant suprise, concerning HDTV!
Free 921 for the first 5 million customers!! :dance01:
Adam Richey
10-03-03, 02:14 PM
I would LOVE to have InHD and InHD 2. Those would add a lot to the package. I want the NWA TNA wrestling highlights mostly. LOL
Jerry G
10-03-03, 02:56 PM
Free 921 for the first 5 million customers!! :dance01:
Wouldn't this send Dish into bankruptcy?
Wouldn't this send Dish into bankruptcy?
not if they require you to sub for 1 year with america's everything pack, 2 or 3 years with at 150 plus hd, or 5 years with at 100 and lower plus the hd pack. You figure 1 year at $75 is $900,2 years at 150+hd is $1392, 3 years at 150+hd is about $2000 and 5 years with at100 +hd would be 3060. Either way dish would make out big time. They could probably require customers to only take 1 or 2 years with at least at50+hd and still make money.
P Smith
10-03-03, 10:56 PM
John has reported that Dish Network currently has five transponders dedicated to HDTV on 105 degrees, carrying seven channels. With the current four HD feeds to remain on 110 for quite some time (as reported by Scott), that means Dish Network probably has at least three new HDTV feeds in the works for the near future.
Currently tpn16,17,19,22,34 uplinking:
Showtime HD, HD Events (16);
HBO HD, HD PPV (17);
CBS HD (19);
HDTV3 (22) - no picture;
CBS HD (24) - no picture.
Jacob S
10-04-03, 09:31 PM
Why does Dish always talk about adding HD and not just enhanced definition (in which is in between standard def and high def)? I would think that they could put up more enhanced def channels than high def channels if they take up less space on the satellite and that the enhanced def channels could take up less space on the hard drive (921).
Why does Dish always talk about adding HD and not just enhanced definition (in which is in between standard def and high def)? I would think that they could put up more enhanced def channels than high def channels if they take up less space on the satellite and that the enhanced def channels could take up less space on the hard drive (921).Because there aren't many, if any, "enhanced definition" services to add as yet. Starz's "enhanced definition" widescreen 480i channel will be among the first. On these forums, I've seen several people make references to specific "enhanced definition" services that don't exist, and won't for a long time.
If you read the HDTV forums, the vast majority of these viewers aren't interested in "enhanced definition" services when a HDTV feed is available. "Enhanced definition" (ex. FOX football) is not even remotely close to the quality of high-definition video (ex. CBS football). I think you will see Dish add 16:9 480i and 480p services, but only when a HDTV version of that content is not available.
Mike D-CO5
10-05-03, 06:37 PM
Wouldn't it make sense for Dish to enhance all their sd channels to 480 p in order to have the better service in picture quality. Then when they went to hd they could replace the enhanced version with the hd version. Either way they would have the superior picture quality sat service. I just wonder if that is technically feasible or practical for them to do so.
Jacob S
10-05-03, 07:24 PM
I was thinking this as well but would we really see much of a picture improvement if we dont have HD tv's to view the better picture quality on? Most people do not have HD tv's yet. I would also think that it would take up more space on the satellites in which is needed right now to add more locals and HD content. Perhaps when more and more people get HD tv's they would do this but wouldn't the customers need receivers that are capable of reverting that type of resolution to the higher defintion television.
P Smith
10-05-03, 08:42 PM
Theoretically, all Dish regular channels transmitting in 544x480p or 640x480p or 720x480p for some PPV. But 99.9% of receivers convert the internal digital format into interlaced frames for compatibility with composit or S-VHS inputs of our regular TV .
has anyone heard if they will have the new HD channels on 121 and 105? We can't really get 110 in alaska and it's killing me!?
Wouldn't it make sense for Dish to enhance all their sd channels to 480 p in order to have the better service in picture quality.You can't add resolution that isn't there. Widescreen and 480p is something that must be delivered by the content provider for it to be of benefit. They could upconvert the 480i signal on channels into something else, but the HDTV receivers already do this internally (albeit, not with the best circuitry).
I was thinking this as well but would we really see much of a picture improvement if we dont have HD tv's to view the better picture quality on? Most people do not have HD tv's yet. I would also think that it would take up more space on the satellites in which is needed right now to add more locals and HD content.Without HDTV receivers, you can't see 8-PSK transponders anyway (ultimately, at 105 once AMC-15 goes up). I'm not quite sure I understand what you are saying.
Theoretically, all Dish regular channels transmitting in 544x480p or 640x480p or 720x480p for some PPV. But 99.9% of receivers convert the internal digital format into interlaced frames for compatibility with composit or S-VHS inputs of our regular TVEchostar barely has enough bandwidth for 480x480i (or whatever it is they are using now); they don't have sufficient bandwidth to replace all their standard 480i channels with 480p versions. And once again, there aren't any 480p standard channels to offer yet; you can't offer something that doesn't exist.
They don't have the bandwidth available at 119/110 to offer their PPVs in 480p.
has anyone heard if they will have the new HD channels on 121 and 105? We can't really get 110 in alaska and it's killing me!?It doesn't look like the HD channels on 110 will find their way onto 105 before the second-half of next year.
P Smith
10-05-03, 11:54 PM
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Echostar barely has enough bandwidth for 480x480i (or whatever it is they are using now); they don't have sufficient bandwidth to replace all their standard 480i channels with 480p versions. And once again, there aren't any 480p standard channels to offer yet; you can't offer something that doesn't exist.
They don't have the bandwidth available at 119/110 to offer their PPVs in 480p.
According to other forums recordings on PVR/DVR are 544x480p or 640x480p and 720x480p.
According to other forums recordings on PVR/DVR are 544x480p or 640x480p and 720x480p.Do you have a source for that information?
I know they've used 544x480 and 640x480 in the past, including some 720x480 on PPV, but am very skeptical of this progressive claim. Although I haven't looked recently, last time I did, the channels were 480i.
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