Locals AND CBS HD

[LesMoss]

I live outside the signal area of my local (Santa Barbara) CBS station. Dish is adding locals for My DMA soon. Can I get my locals and CBS-HD. Theoretically this should be legal, but would Dish actually sell it to me? Anybody have this combination outside of a CBS "O-O" area?

[Mark Lamutt]

You may have to get a waiver from the Santa Barbara CBS station. The Dish folks can explain everything to you. In addition, type in your address here: http://customersupport.dishnetwork.com/customernetqual/nqCustomerLocalsCheck.jsp to see what you may qualify for.

[dishrich]

Actually, there's more to it than getting a waiver from JUST your SB affiliate. If where you live you falls into the grade B contour of ANY other CBS affiliate, (like from an adjacent DMA) THAT same affiliate will have to give you a waiver as well - and it makes NO difference for either the HD or SD CBS signal as well. Since you say you live outside the signal area of your SB station, it's possible you might have this problem.

[TNGTony]

Okay, let's simplify this...

If you currently qualify for a distant CBS affiliate and CBS HD, that WILL NOT change once Dish adds your local CBS station to their line-up.

The qualifications for distant network feeds and the qualification for local stations are in no way related EVER! (I feel like a broken record here :))

See ya
Tony

[dishrich]

Oops, I'm sorry Tony - I didn't see the part where he said E* was adding HIS SB locals. Yes, you are absolutely right, but actually, he didn't say if he ALREADY had an OOM CBS on his system. ;) ;) ;)

[wmayo]

Okay, let's simplify this...

If you currently qualify for a distant CBS affiliate and CBS HD, that WILL NOT change once Dish adds your local CBS station to their line-up.

The qualifications for distant network feeds and the qualification for local stations are in no way related EVER! (I feel like a broken record here :))

See ya
Tony

But once your locals come up, and they summarily reject all (including my) waivers, then isn't it all over? You mean to tell me the local rejection of waiver has nothing to do with CBS-HD ... IF I happen to be in a less than grade B area all along?

[TNGTony]

What I am saying (and this is very hard for many to understand because it is so clear-cut with little gray area or wiggle room) is that if a person qualifies for CBS distant network channels using the Dish Address Broker, they by default qualify for the CBS HD channel by contract with CBS. Period.

Nothing else matters. Nothing. Nothing. Nothing. Nothing. Not one thing. No.... Nothing...

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No, not even if Dish adds the local CBS later......Nothing
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The word WAIVER did not enter into the conversation as part of the question or the answer. It was inserted later to cloud the original issue.
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So....if folks INSIST on clouding the issue, If you DON'T live outside the grade B contour of ALL CBS stations, then you CANNOT get Distant CBS stations by law.

Here is where it gets cloudy. The law allows an exception to the above:

A person may request the station grant a waiver of the right to exclusivity by the station(s) that does (do) provide a grade B or better signal in his area. If ALL CBS stations providing a grade B signal to this person's area say that they will not uphold their copyrights and it is okay for another station to infringe on their area, then the person is free to get distant CBS channels via satellite legally.

Another possibility is that the CBS station(s) just ignores the request and never issues or denies a waiver. After 30 days, the petitioner gets a de-facto waiver from that station. The down-side is that this de facto waiver ends the instant any CBS station providing a grade B signal to the area says "Boo". This is how the myth that says that Dish cuts people off from their distant networks when the locals are added came into being. All the people cut off did not "really" qualify in the first place. Dish asked the stations for waivers and the stations either granted them or, more likely, ignored them since most stations managers had no clue what the SHVIA was all about in the first place. The thought by the station managers was that if I ignore it, it will go away. So most of the people that lost Distant nets when locals came into being only had them because of de facto waivers. When Dish contacted the stations to do LIL, the stations said "boo" and the de facto waivers for all the people that never qualified for the distant stations in the first place, evaporated. (and in some cases, real ones since they can be revoked by the station at any time)

Another wrinkle in the situation....the satellite provider does not HAVE to honor the waiver. :) It is in their best interest to do so. But they are under no obligation.


Now to the CBS HD situation:

Everything above still holds true. There are no changes at all to the stuff above. The ONLY difference is that the Columbia Broadcasting System is providing a blanket waiver to all people in the grade A and B signal areas of all the CBS affiliated stations owned by them.

That's it.

It is really VERY simple!
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Okay...for those that want to belabor the point....
...if you live underneath the tower of a CBS owned CBS station or anywhere you can get a signal from such a station and you are outside the grade B signal area from any OTHER CBS affiliated station owned by another company, you can get CBS HD and two other CBS standard definition distant network stations by agreement between Dish and CBS.

If you live underneath a CBS owned tower of a CBS affiliated station AND you can also get a whisper of a signal from another CBS affiliated station owned by a different company, you CANNOT get CBS HD or any distant CBS standard definition channels by contract between CBS and Dish, AND the SHVIA.

Remember that the networks can immediately make the SHVIA completely moot by allowing their programming to be sold directly to the cable and satellite networks. The SHVIA is a law that allows programming to be sold WITHOUT the permission of the copyright holder.

See ya
Tony

[oyving]

Now to the CBS HD situation:

Everything above still holds true. There are no changes at all to the stuff above. The ONLY difference is that the Columbia Broadcasting System is providing a blanket waiver to all people in the grade A and B signal areas of all the CBS affiliated stations owned by them.

That's it.

It is really VERY simple!


Tony,

Does this mean that if we are outside of Grade B areas, we would receive the East & WEST feeds of CBS-HD? It would be cool since they will both be on 105.

Oyving

[TNGTony]

As far as I understand the Dish/CBS agreement, each customer can only have one CBS HD channel. However, several people who qualify for CBS distants say that they were able to get both.

See ya
Tony

[rbonzer]

So Tony, I'm not sure if I get it right...

If I live in a grade B area in a DMA outside the zipcode of the surrounding area in a qualified RV with a boat....

Ok, just kidding...

[dishrich]

Tony,

Does this mean that if we are outside of Grade B areas, we would receive the East & WEST feeds of CBS-HD? It would be cool since they will both be on 105.

Oyving

Who told you they WERE moving to 105??? :confused: :confused:

[oyving]

Who told you they WERE moving to 105??? :confused: :confused:

See www.dishchannelchart.com

Channels 9483 & 9484

[TNGTony]

The word "move" is premature. They will be mirrored for the time being. All the HD channels at 148 and 61.5 are now on at 105. I wouldn't expect to see the HD channels removed from 61.5/148 for at least 6 months to a year.

See ya
Tony

[telekol]

Ilive in the Boston DMA, Just received my waiver from Povidence RI station WPRI,Faxed it to Dish and had 9453 (newyork ch 2 ) in a matter of mins.

RC