HD Receiver

[Neutron]

Just bought an HDTV ready JVC 48" widescreen TV. I already have DISH and use the 301 receiver for now. I'm looking into the HD Receivers and was wondering what yall's opinion is. My TV has the DVI Input. Should I get the 6000 now or wait until the 811 comes out? Why would you choose one over the other?

[Cyclone]

Well, you may be in a great deal of luck. By cooincidence of good time, Dish is secretly selling Dish 6000 HDTV receivers to existing customers only (had to be a customer before Sep 8th, 2003) for just $199 installed (even less for some long time big spenders).

I have not heard that DVI is a considerable improvement over component. Your HDTV likely also has component inputs. Read up a bit around the forums, but either way you are in good position right now.

Dont' forget, the 811 is newer and nicer, but there isn't a single channel that you can't watch on the 6000 that you can on the 811.

[Mark Lamutt]

Honestly Neutron, if I had DVI in on my HD set, I'd go with the 811 over the 6000. DVI is a slight improvement, just because there is no digital to analog conversion. Plus, you'll never have to worry about Hollywood copy protection forcing component signals to be downrezzed.

[gpflepsen]

Honestly Neutron, ;) if I had an analog HD set I wouldn't worry about DVI. If I had a digital display (DLP, LCD...)I would consider getting the DVI box.

Not to say it's pointless on a CRT RPTV, but the advantages of DVI really show on digital displays.

Which HDTV did you get?

[Mark Lamutt]

Yeah sure...make fun of the admin... :rolleyes: :D

[gpflepsen]

Yeah sure...make fun of the admin... :rolleyes: :D

Come on now, we all know cyclone is the irreverent one here. :angel:

[Neutron]

Honestly Neutron, ;) if I had an analog HD set I wouldn't worry about DVI. If I had a digital display (DLP, LCD...)I would consider getting the DVI box.

Not to say it's pointless on a CRT RPTV, but the advantages of DVI really show on digital displays.

Which HDTV did you get?


I got a JVC AV-48WP30 48" Widescreen HDTV rear projection. I really like the quality it has on it. It does have the DVI but would the picture difference be more noticeable over component? I'm trying to see if the 811 which is $200 more than the 6000 would be worth it.

[Mark Lamutt]

DVI picture quality will probably not be noticibly better over component.

[gpflepsen]

With an analog RPTV such as yours, I wouldn't expect to see great improvements in DVI over Component. The digital signal is still converted to analog for display. As long as you use decent quality cables (decent quality not equal to expensive) a 6000 should treat you well.

To make my decision, I'd look at the other features of the 811 vs 6000.

Price- 6000 is half
The guide of the 811 may be quicker and hold more info. Plus the 811 is supposed to offer Open-TV or whatever their interactive platform is called.

Is this worth the $200?

Also keep in mind you could keep the DVI open for a computer application or as a DVD input.

I really don't think you can go wrong with a 6000 completely decked out for $200. In the future you could add an 811 and use the 6000 as a second tuner for your next HDTV.

[ride525]

I bought a 6000u with a 8vsb module as a stopgap measure, until I purchase a 811. I have a Samsung DLP with DVI input, but of course use the component, since the 6000 does not have DVI output. ( I tried RGB, but didn't work at 720p, and 1080i had a band at the top, and didn't size right.)

But the picture with the 6000 is STUNNING, especially on Discovery HD and HDNet. I just can't imagine the picture being any better on the 811 with DVI. And the digital OTA channels are great too. The HD is amazing.

So, now I'm not sure how fast I'll get an 811, nor even if it would be a great improvement.

[gpflepsen]

I've the DLP too. I'm eager to use an HD DVI box on it. I can tell the difference with a computer generated test screen via component/VGA and DVI. DVI gives true 1:1 pixel mapping while the analog inputs are not as precise.

If you are interested, I might be able to dig them up. They are basically a pixel by pixel checkerboard pattern, and alternating lines of white and black. You can easily see the shortcomings of any display with these. Put them up and look from a distance. A true 1:1 display will look like a smooth grey. If you have some patterns develop, you are seeing a breakdown of some link in the information display chain.

[OKCrew]

I have a 6000 and the JVC 56wp30. Its a good combo. I probably will get the 801 and move the 6000 into the MBR to replace a 301 on a 50" SD RPTV. The integrated locals would be nice even without HD.

There is one more consideration of the 6000 vs. 801. The 6000 will never be able to down-res the component signal. Some other more knowledgable poster can advise of the benefit of this.

[Curtis]

I bought a 6000u with a 8vsb module as a stopgap measure, until I purchase a 811. I have a Samsung DLP with DVI input, but of course use the component, since the 6000 does not have DVI output. ( I tried RGB, but didn't work at 720p, and 1080i had a band at the top, and didn't size right.)

But the picture with the 6000 is STUNNING, especially on Discovery HD and HDNet. I just can't imagine the picture being any better on the 811 with DVI. And the digital OTA channels are great too. The HD is amazing.

So, now I'm not sure how fast I'll get an 811, nor even if it would be a great improvement.

Ride,
Looks like you and I have the same setup: 6000, Sammy DLP, and Harmony Remote. I have the 6000 running through the RGB input on the Sammy with no problem....using the DVI for my DVD. All is well.

I agree with you on the picture quality. My only complaints on the 6000 is the bugginess of the code and the lack of program info on Digital OTA. I'm also a little disappointed in the ability to pull in OTA signals: many times I'll show a signal of > 70% but still get intermittant freezes and pixellation.

Curtis

[Neutron]

Couldn't someone who has a 6000 and DVI get a VGA to DVI adapter to use the VGA port and get DVI quality?

[gpflepsen]

Neutron, their are three types of DVI connectors, DVI-A (analog), -D (digital) and -I (integrated, both analog and digital). If your box (computer, STB, XBOX, etc...) has a DVI-I, you can use adapters.

That said, the DVI is probably a digital input for the TV. The VGA is analog and can't be converted by a simple adapter. If you do have DVI-I, you can get adapters that will mate the VGA to the DVI-I. Remember this is only getting the analog signal to the TV through a different looking connection.

The best bet for the 6000 is to use the VGA first then the component. Forget about DVI with the 6000.

[ride525]

The best bet for the 6000 is to use the VGA first then the component. Forget about DVI with the 6000.

I tried the RGB output of the 6000 with my Samsung DLP in the "PC" input. Terrible horizontal flicker at 720p. 1080i was better but had band of garbage at top of picture, and didn't size to full screeen like component does.

[Curtis]

I tried the RGB output of the 6000 with my Samsung DLP in the "PC" input. Terrible horizontal flicker at 720p. 1080i was better but had band of garbage at top of picture, and didn't size to full screeen like component does.

Seems like I vaguely remember this problem. I think it has to do with the DLP not detecting the sync signal properly after switching inputs. I think that turning the TV off, then back on solved the problem.

Not a problem for me now because all I ever use is the PC or the DVI input.

You can use the "adjust" button in the 6000's HD setup panel to fine tune the position.....

Curtis

[Neutron]

So I take it you guys are recommending the 6000 receiver over the 811?

[gpflepsen]

So I take it you guys are recommending the 6000 receiver over the 811?

For half the cost, yes. If the 811 hits at $299, that makes it a tough decision. Only you can make that choice.

The good news is... I heard the 6000s were sold out, so the decision may have been made for you. :)

[Cyclone]

I'm still waiting for that day when someone posts that since the 6000 are out of stock, the 811 has to be substituted. :D

I'm passing on the $149 6000 since I only need the one I have. But if I hear 811s are on the cheap. :D