View Full Version : E* In Negotiations To Get Nfl Network
no1cwbyfan
10-14-03, 10:22 AM
I just heard from the E* programming director that they are in negotiations to get the upcoming NFL Network!! However the sides have not reached an agreement yet. Let's email E* and let them know we want the channel!!
Hum, interesting. I'll be honest, I think there is plenty of NFL coverage out there already, and anyone most people serious enough to be this interested in a 24 hour a day/365 day a week nfl channel will more than likely have Directv because of NFL Sunday Ticket.
Hopefully if they do get it, they are not paying much for it. I mean, this channel can only be interesting for 6 months about of the year, will contain no live nfl broadcasts, and will probably only have a few new shows per week.
we'll see what happens.
no1cwbyfan
10-14-03, 11:45 AM
I'm for it, especially since we have nba tv. If i like football i should not be limited to dtv
Cyclone
10-14-03, 12:31 PM
Aren't they always saying that they are "in negotiations" with every channel that they don't already carry.
I'm for it, especially since we have nba tv. If i like football i should not be limited to dtv
True, good point about nba tv. I forgot about that. I probably just feel this way cause there is a ton of nfl coverage already. I am an nfl fan, but probably not as big as some people.
no1cwbyfan
10-14-03, 02:28 PM
actually no, there are many they are not negotiating with..
jeffwtux
10-14-03, 02:33 PM
Why is there a need for such a network. Is there really that much 24 hour news that can't be
covered in enough detail on ESPNews and ESPN? About 20 minutes of every hour already are
dedicated to NFL news on ESPNews already, that on top of SportsCenter, NFL Tonight.....
These channels are a waste of spectrum. They better not be paying more than $.10/customer/month
for this because there's no way they will gain a single customer from it.
jeffwtux
10-14-03, 02:37 PM
Hum, interesting. I'll be honest, I think there is plenty of NFL coverage out there already, and anyone most people serious enough to be this interested in a 24 hour a day/365 day a week nfl channel will more than likely have Directv because of NFL Sunday Ticket.
Hopefully if they do get it, they are not paying much for it. I mean, this channel can only be interesting for 6 months about of the year, will contain no live nfl broadcasts, and will probably only have a few new shows per week.we'll see what happens.
ESPNews already has a few NFL only hours every week. This channel is completely unnecessary. Why reward the NFL for sucking up to DirecTV and keeping Sunday Ticket
exclusive? If they wanted Dish to pay for more NFL programming, they shouldn't kept Sunday Ticket exclusive. There are so many more channels worth carrying that have more original programming than the NFL network which will have none.
Why is there a need for such a network. Is there really that much 24 hour news that can't be
covered in enough detail on ESPNews and ESPN? About 20 minutes of every hour already are
dedicated to NFL news on ESPNews already, that on top of SportsCenter, NFL Tonight.....
These channels are a waste of spectrum. They better not be paying more than $.10/customer/month
for this because there's no way they will gain a single customer from it. but they will lose a few if they dont
shilton
10-14-03, 03:49 PM
I only have one important thing to say on this matter. Dish has repeatedly stated that many of their cost increases over the years have been due to increases in sports related items. They also admit that many of thier customers don't really want or need all these sports offerings but they need to offer them for the customers that do. I for one like some sports, but it isn't my life. I don't eat, sleep and bleed football, basketball or any other sport so if it costs too much, I can live without it.
I hope Charlie remembers those customers that could care less before he adds something else that will drive up our rates.
I only have one important thing to say on this matter. Dish has repeatedly stated that many of their cost increases over the years have been due to increases in sports related items. They also admit that many of thier customers don't really want or need all these sports offerings but they need to offer them for the customers that do. I for one like some sports, but it isn't my life. I don't eat, sleep and bleed football, basketball or any other sport so if it costs too much, I can live without it.
I hope Charlie remembers those customers that could care less before he adds something else that will drive up our rates. then get rid of lifetime,fx,tnn/spike,tnt,espn and all the other greedy cable nets
Iwould think they could add it the sportspack just like the nba channel
jeffwtux
10-14-03, 07:51 PM
If they add it to the sportspack, then fine otherwise it's just another ESPNews channel. Why would anybody
switch to DirecTV just to get another sportsnews channel? Anybody who is that much of a diehard NFL fan
would clearly already have NFL Sunday Ticket. A normal diehard fan who just wants to watch the 5 football games
they get every Sunday and Monday(and there are plenty of diehard NFL fans for who this is enough believe it or not)
clearly gets enough already...... Now if you starting taking away those 5 games, then he will get pissed and leave.
There is no such thing as too much NFL. They will also have some HD programing hopefully Charlie adds it but I doubt it.
Sparkman87
10-14-03, 07:59 PM
The NFL channel is much more than a sports news channel. go to nfl.com and click on get nfl network. It tells all aboujt the channel. Yes, we need it on the sports pack. And not every die hard NFL fan has Sunday Ticket. Some of us have stayed with DISH for superstations or other reasons.
FTA Michael
10-14-03, 08:05 PM
I hope Charlie remembers those customers that could care less before he adds something else that will drive up our rates.Rates are not set based on programming fees, salaries, water rates, or any other expense. Rates are set to maximize profit, period.
For an obvious example:
AT100/HBO/Cin = AT100 + $16
AT150/HBO/Cin = AT150 + $17
There's only one good explanation for this: These packages hit the $x9.99 price point.
Adding money-losing channels will reduce E* profits, but will not raise rates.
If you dislike the NFL channel merely as a waste of bandwidth, you get into the "every channel I like is good; every channel I hate is bad" arguments, which no one can win because it's all a matter of taste.
jeffwtux
10-14-03, 08:14 PM
Sparkman: I think I agreed that not every diehard NFL fan has Sunday Ticket because I'm one of them. I just don't think that
these diehards(like me) who haven't jumped for DirecTV and Sunday Ticket won't jump for this either.
Ok, I checked out the website. To me it really looks like the "NFL Films Network" rather than the
"NFL Network". All they have is press conferences, game breakdowns and predictions for a couple of hours a day
(all stuff that is on ESPNews and NFL Tonight in just as much depth) and then NFL films programs, yes some
in HD. The biggest NFL Diehard I know doesn't even have an HDTV!! This better not cost AT50, AT100, or AT150
subscribers 1 penny. I guess if they put it on the SportsPak that's ok, but they better not even waste a penny from AT150.
shilton
10-14-03, 08:25 PM
Rates are not set based on programming fees, salaries, water rates, or any other expense. Rates are set to maximize profit, period.
Adding money-losing channels will reduce E* profits, but will not raise rates.
If you truly believe that then you know very little about business matters. Every expense, the Water, the Electricity, the PROGRAMMING FEES are all factored into our final cost. Yes Dish seeks to maximixe profits, but you better believe if Charlie's labor costs or his utility bills skyrocket, so do our rates. Remember, No YES because it would cost ALL SUBS. If the channel costs too much, you better believe the rates will rise.
I agree that all of us could easily rattle off channels we hate and wouldn't mind losing, but ultimately at this point in the game, I think Dish needs to start thinking about mass appeal when it comes to new channels. I don't like Lifetime or FX very much, but they do have mass appeal. Stats show that most people are not buying Dish for the sports packs. That's not to say they are not important, but I think if the sports fans want the programming they need to pay for it and not me personally, that's all.
jeffwtux
10-14-03, 08:26 PM
carload: yeah, and that $X9.99 price point really pisses me off bigtime. People aren't that stupid.
Insisting on these price points makes them change their "Value Paks" every time a package changes(every
year lately). They have spent a ton of marketing money on their AT100+HBO+Cinemax package,
and it will all be thrown away on Feb 1, 2004. Not nearly enough people take the AT150 package(because
it's not a really good deal) so they should make the value pack better regardless of what dollar it ends up on.
It probably should be $57.99. I think they are losing money from people not upgrading to AT150 because the deal isn't as good.
I think I remember hearing that NFL network may have some HDTV segments. I believe that is why Voom will be carrying the channel. Perhaps this is why they are considering it.
Personally I could take it or leave it. I would much rather more premium channels like HBO Zone & Thriller Max and others that we are missing.
Chris Freeland
10-15-03, 07:28 AM
I would not be surprised if E* does add the NFL network that it will be placed in the Multi-Sports pack and possibly AEP just like NBA TV. This might convince more people to purchase the Multi-Sports pack.
Big difference between the NBA TV and the new NFL Network is that NBA TV shows live games. NBA TV usually shows a game each night that ESPN/TNT does not have a game. Right now there are no plans to show any games (even replays) on the NFL Network. So I don't think the NFL Network is worth the bother.
(There is certainly enough time in the week to show a replay of all the preceding week's NFL games, wonder why they don't consider this.)
FTA Michael
10-15-03, 10:06 AM
If you truly believe that then you know very little about business matters. Every expense, the Water, the Electricity, the PROGRAMMING FEES are all factored into our final cost. :shrug: I resell used books. I set the price of each one. Those prices have nothing to do with shipping costs, what the book cost me, or anything else except what prospective customers are able and willing to pay, considering competitive options. Sure, I work hard at cutting costs by shopping around for cheaper mailers and better, inexpensive sources for books, but that's all about my profit, not my price. If you have set prices based on your costs or cost increases, I'd like to hear your counterexample.
If E* is really, truly negotiating to get the NFL Network, my guess is that they'll add it only to the Sports Pak ... and raise the rate by $1. Not because it'll cost E* anything close to $1, but because it'll give them a good excuse to raise the rate. Then maybe at the annual rate increase, they'll throw in it with AT150. Just my wild guess.
shilton
10-15-03, 03:52 PM
:shrug: I resell used books. I set the price of each one. Those prices have nothing to do with shipping costs, what the book cost me, or anything else except what prospective customers are able and willing to pay, considering competitive options. Sure, I work hard at cutting costs by shopping around for cheaper mailers and better, inexpensive sources for books, but that's all about my profit, not my price. If you have set prices based on your costs or cost increases, I'd like to hear your counterexample.
I manage a 240 unit apartment community. After 9/11 insurance costs TRIPLED. We would have still made a profit by doing nothing, but you better believe we passed the costs along to the residents. If a company continued to erode its profit margin by eating increased costs, eventually its expenses would outweigh its income. Most companies make it a regular practice to pad their operating costs into the price of the goods they market. Of course in doing so, one must be careful to make sure that you remain in pace with your competitors.
And let me ask you this...do you really think Dish HAD to implement DVR fees...nope they did it because they were spending money on R & D and they expect us to pay for it. I hate the DVR fees, but I understand why they do it. Its all about making $$$$
Marcus S
10-15-03, 08:08 PM
*D and the NFL negoitated a 5 year exclusive contract for 200m (the cost of 1 DBS satellite), locking out BUD and *E for that term.
Big difference between the NBA TV and the new NFL Network is that NBA TV shows live games. NBA TV usually shows a game each night that ESPN/TNT does not have a game. Right now there are no plans to show any games (even replays) on the NFL Network. So I don't think the NFL Network is worth the bother.
(There is certainly enough time in the week to show a replay of all the preceding week's NFL games, wonder why they don't consider this.)
As jeffwtux mentioned, the channel may use NFL Films content. NFL Films is located in southern NJ in Mt. Laurel. The channel will likely be a sports pak channel, or premium/alacarte if carried on Dish.
FTA Michael
10-16-03, 08:05 AM
And let me ask you this...do you really think Dish HAD to implement DVR fees...nope they did it because they were spending money on R & D and they expect us to pay for it.Actually, my guess is that they switched to monthly fees on new models so they could offer "free" DVRs as a subscriber incentive.
Thanks for the counterexample. It's analogous to cable/DBS price increases. If every apartment complex in your region raised its rates by similar amounts (because of insurance increases), then everyone's profit margin can remain the same. It's similar to what happened early this year, when E* raised its rates a little and Wall Street breathed a sigh of relief on all DBS/cable stocks. E* could have kept rates steady, sacrificing short-term profits for greater market share and the possibility of higher long-term profits.
Of course it's true that if a business consistently charges less than its costs, it will eventually fail. But it's also true that if you could raise everybody's rent by $200 and keep the same occupancy rate, you would. ;)
*D and the NFL negoitated a 5 year exclusive contract for 200m (the cost of 1 DBS satellite), locking out BUD and *E for that term.
but not cable after next year. After 2005 or 2006 cable can get nfl st if they offer enough money to the nfl like they got mlbei a couple years ago the same way.
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