View Full Version : Does Superdish's Size Make You Less Likely to Buy?
shilton
10-31-03, 11:25 AM
Having seen the posts concerning the size of Superdish (about as long as a yardstick) and reading all the postings concerning all the installation hoops one must jump through to get the thing, I am curious as to whether or not you feel you are less likely to upgrade because of the size.
I for one was jazzed to see my local city as one of the cities to be going up, but now that I have seen the size, I may jump ship to DirecTV since they are already in talks with my local city too for carriage in early 2004.
Will the size and restrictions on installations make you think twice???
hpman247
10-31-03, 12:44 PM
For me, it would not, but i dont need SD so im not getting yet. But i really dont see wut makes a difference its just a dish, and i think it looks pretty coool
bryan92
10-31-03, 01:26 PM
If it will be O.K. on my chimney I won't care. My wife wont put up with it anywhere else!!!
I bought a 1 meter dish instead. :)
BobMurdoch
10-31-03, 03:18 PM
It's on the back end of the roof so you only see it when you are in my backyard (Thanks to a PERFECT position of my house, it can look unobstructed on an angle to the sky for the signal, but trees in my backyard mask the dish and wires from people sitting by the pool.
Bring it on. Until it hits BUD proportions I'm fine.
Well, I went from a definite bring it here immediately to an undecided. It goes on the back of the house, so I guess if it will wall mount to the block without too much trouble and a reasonable amount of stability (FL winds you know), I'll probably go for it eventually. I'm just not in such a rush anymore.
blingbling
10-31-03, 04:52 PM
It's on the back end of the roof so you only see it when you are in my backyard (Thanks to a PERFECT position of my house, it can look unobstructed on an angle to the sky for the signal, but trees in my backyard mask the dish and wires from people sitting by the pool.
Bring it on. Until it hits BUD proportions I'm fine.
I think it's BUD Light as is. :eek2: I'm not crazy about having this thing on a pole in my backyard. My current dish is much more discreet on the backside of my garage roof.
If it will be O.K. on my chimney I won't care. My wife wont put up with it anywhere else!!!My chimney is the only line of sight on my property. Putting dishes on chimneys is a bad idea in general, and extra bad with a dish that big. I doubt that E* would ever approve it, because it's impossible to know how much force any given chimney can withstand. Believe me, you don't want to jump out of bed one windy night and find your chimney and dish on the ground (or worse, in your living room, because it fell through the roof and ceiling). But on the outside chance that E* might approve it (in the form of okaying an install by a Dish installer), I'm holding out hope.
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Chris Blount
11-01-03, 06:58 AM
Will the size and restrictions on installations make you think twice???
Yes. I will not be getting the Superdish and have purchased 2 DirecTivo's which will be installed next week along with a triple LNB dish for HDTV when the HD DirecTivo gets released early next year. The HD DirecTivo will not only have dual tuners for satellite, but will have dual tuners for OTA. More about my switchover here: http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=20114 The triple LNB dish will fit on the same pole as my Dish500. It's a no brainer.
I will be keeping a Dish subscription though because I want to keep the superstations. I have also cancelled my order for the 921.
shilton
11-01-03, 08:06 AM
Yes. I will not be getting the Superdish and have purchased 2 DirecTivo's which will be installed next week along with a triple LNB dish for HDTV when the HD DirecTivo gets released early next year. The HD DirecTivo will not only have dual tuners for satellite, but will have dual tuners for OTA. More about my switchover here: http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=20114 The triple LNB dish will fit on the same pole as my Dish500. It's a no brainer.
I will be keeping a Dish subscription though because I want to keep the superstations. I have also cancelled my order for the 921.
I saw DirecTV's 3 satellite solution and I must say its a much more attractive design. I have my eyes on that one. If locals come out from DirecTV in my area, I think I am switching for sure.
ride525
11-01-03, 08:21 AM
I voted NO. (I am not less likely to buy because of SuperDish's size.)
Size matters.
I want the best performance for my satellite system.
James Long
11-01-03, 02:32 PM
Despite what the spams in my email say, size doesn't matter. SuperDISH could be 26" -- I still wouldn't want it.
I'm more ticked that my locals ended up on 105º - I'm not going to have thousands of dollars to pay for HD equipment for a couple of years. I did pick up a HDTV OTA tuner to see what my local channels were broadcasting "downconverted" to 480i for my standard set. Good enough for now.
Internationals are interesting, but too expensive. I wouldn't mind a real International feed from England ... perhaps a news channel from England or Europe (I love CNNi and wish that I could get it 24x7 instead of just when CNN isn't playing CNNfn - but then again, CNN is US and I'd like a foreign produced news channel).
But I digress. 26" or 36" it doesn't matter to me.
JL
My Dish500, which SuperDish will replace is currently on a pole mount behind some bushes in the back yard, so the WAF isn't a problem. If it was up on the roof I'm sure there would be a problem getting approval from the boss.
hahaha my wife and I have been talking about this for the last half an hour and I turn on the computer and come here and this is now a poll! THIS THING BLOWS. I have a very limited spot in the front of my home and it's the ONLY place where the Dish 500 signal is possible. I have all kinds of wildflowers and the sidewalk/street is right outside my front porch. The dish is right on the backside of the roof above me here on the porch. Looking at the front of my home the Dish500 is pointed straight left . I am wondering if the wind is getting knocked down by it being on the lower end of my "A" shaped porch roof.
What exactly is Dish saying about the roof install being the last resort? If it is will the Dish be covered by wind damage? I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER WAY OF INSTALLING THIS. CHARLIE YOU ARE AN IDIOT!!!GODDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD I am so ^%*#^*(&^#@*&^#@*)%&^!#% have they actually done a test in winds where it fell off and hit Jim DeFranco in the balls?
walendvay
11-01-03, 08:59 PM
this poll is moot. Dish will never release superdish and they'll never release the 811 and 921.
these guys are full of empty promises!!!!
It's nov1, no superdish, no 811, no 921, no ETA. sheesh!
Charlie blows!
Mike D-CO5
11-01-03, 11:53 PM
Patience is a Virtue.
Many on these boards need to learn this one. They once said we would never have locals on Satellite and here we are up to what 75 cities now? Wait for another couple of months and if nothing happens by the end of the year , then you can yell foul on Old Charlie.
New technology doesn't happen over night. Remember Sh*t happens!!
I had the Direcpc on my roof before and it is about the same size as the superdish. So I don't have a problem with the dish. Plus it is mounted on the back of the roof.
BobMurdoch
11-02-03, 09:19 AM
this poll is moot. Dish will never release superdish and they'll never release the 811 and 921.
these guys are full of empty promises!!!!
It's nov1, no superdish, no 811, no 921, no ETA. sheesh!
Charlie blows!
It's time to take your meds now. Come on back to the day room. It's Jello day!
Steve Mehs
11-02-03, 09:25 AM
Size really doesn't matter to me, but there's no need for me to upgrade to the SuperDish. I don't need HD, my locals are already up and and I don't need to look at 121 either. Plus, D* is in my future so there is really no point to get a SuperDish. No thanks Charlie!
DishNet_Fan
11-02-03, 09:34 AM
I have been thinking a lot about this lately. I talked to an installer friend of mine yesterday and he won't be doing any roof mounts for SuperDish - it's not worth it to him or the customer. I can't mount my Dish anywhere else but my roof, so I may be out of luck.
I've been with Dish 2.5 years now, but lately getting very tired of the uncertainty. My 6000 and 61.5 pointed dish are only 3 months old, and now more changes. I've just about had enough. My cable company has just come out with HD at a very competitive rate, and the DirecTV Tivo deal is looking more and more attractive. As the commercial once said "Sorry Charlie"...
johnsmith22
11-03-03, 03:21 AM
Having used a 16 foot dish for many years with C band and now using two 6 foot dishes with Dish I wish I could use something as small as Superdish. Honestly Superdish will not look much different when its up on the roof than the old Dish 500 dishes.
dmodemd
11-03-03, 02:02 PM
I really think Dish is going to suffer a huge backlash with this. Whenever I talk to people about converting to satellite from cable, the aesthetics of the dish is a HUGE issue. And now, with the mounting options seriously reduced, its going to diminish even further the number of aborted installs. Installers are going to get frustrated: its a longer, more difficult install, more customer bitching about finding a mount and size of dish "ohhh! I didn't know it was THAT big!".
Since many people must have SuperDish to get locals and HD, it's going to be make or break. DirecTV is going to eat Dish's lunch if they can find a way to keep cramming more bandwidth into their 3-sat solution.
I say NO to SuperDish and am just going to wait it out to see if Dish backs off on it. If they pull their HD off 61.5/110 then I'll switch to DirecTV but for now, I am still giving them a chance and will invest in the 811.
Lee
cicijay
11-03-03, 05:40 PM
If dish will let me have one, I would install it right now. My only line if sight is from my chimney and if dish requires an installer and they won't do a chimney mount then I would have to try and talk the installer into letting me install it myself. The other problem I have is that it is not uncommon for us to have major lake effect snow storms starting in November. That makes it difficult to get on the roof until spring.
Jacob S
11-03-03, 07:11 PM
Me myself, I will never abandon an install that I know is possible to get a signal in and I go out of my way for my customers to keep them happy at times. I will be putting about all the SuperDishes on poles in the customers' yard because of the several disadvantages of putting them on the side of the house and the roof. It would not be any different than putting a StarBand or DirectPc dish up on the side of a house or roof like I have seen several places that have that have three arms mounted to the service on the side of the houses.
A 3 foot dish will be rejected by many customers because many would rather put up an outdoor antenna or get on cable when they get more agressive due to the competition (Dish and Direct) offering locals. I can see the cable companies advertising (especially against Dish) on that huge dish size and it is going to give satellite a black eye. I can also see DirecTv advertising some similar things against Dish because DirecTv will require a dish a good bit smaller than what Dish will require and a lot lower cost as well with self installation being a lot more accepted with the ParaTodos 3 lnbf dish.
How high of a pole? it will be an eyesore for my front yard.
dmodemd
11-04-03, 01:31 PM
How will you install the pole? Don't you need to make two trips? One to dig the hole and pour the base and then another trips once it is set for the dish install? How about frozen ground in winter?
Jacob S
11-05-03, 10:25 PM
The answer is a post driver, to drive the post in the ground, which will allow the concrete to setup preventing the dish from falling over or turning.You would have to make sure you get a longer pole to allow for length of pole that you drive into the ground so that the pole is not too short above the ground. I would think that if the pole was 3-4 feet above the ground that it would be acceptable, plus the depth you will have the pole.
I was thinking about height myself. Remeber you don't want the thing to get burried in snow. Especially after the winter we had here on the North East last year you better make sure the pole is not too short.
Chris Freeland
11-06-03, 02:07 PM
I voted no, I am just happy to be able to get my locals on E* soon. I would prefer the original 26" SuperDish, even better a Dish500, but that is not an option to get my locals, plus the fact my house sets far enough away from the road that you can not see my house let alone my dish from the road. :)
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