January 12th Charlie Chat Discussion

[Chris Blount]

Should be an interesting chat this month. Looks like Dish may announce a price increase.

As usual, please join us in our Chat Room (http://chat.dbstalk.com) during the show beginning at 7:30 CDT. The Charlie Chat is on channel 101 starting at 8:00 CST. Remember, no registration is required to join the chat!

See you there!

[Darkman]

Oooooh :)

It's this time of the Month again :D

[BobMurdoch]

$20 Bucks from me personal to the guy that says "Oink! Oink!" to Charlie during the Q & A after he anounces the price increase.

[dbdsac]

$20 Bucks from me personal to the guy that says "Oink! Oink!" to Charlie during the Q & A after he anounces the price increase.
I have to admit, it would be pretty poor timing on Dish's part to announce rate increases right after the succesful "Pig" campaign... :icon_lame

[ehren]

Hell have an auction for someone to call in and do it! What would be even better if they had Ned Beatty on as a guest!

[Darkman]

hehe, are you saying then: "Pork Chops... Anyone?"

[ehren]

Squeeeeeeeeeeeeel Like A Pig Boy!

[JohnH]

Interesting, another Chat on the tail end of CES. I'm still waiting on CES press releases. :D

[Chris Walker]

We sure as hell better see new channels(not shopping) added if they are raising the price!

[Tomsoundman]

With the always increasing customer base, why doesn't Dish use Advertising revenue to keep our rates the same?

[Cyclone]

1. There wont' be a price increase.
2. 4 New HDTV channels will be added
3. New Locals will be added and others announced.
4. Charlie will give away super bowl tickets
5. The 921 will be demo'd finally
6. Those monkeys will finally fly out of my ass

[dbdsac]

1. There wont' be a price increase.
2. 4 New HDTV channels will be added
3. New Locals will be added and others announced.
4. Charlie will give away super bowl tickets
5. The 921 will be demo'd finally
6. Those monkeys will finally fly out of my ass

Cyclone-
I would gladly except #1 to see #6! :eek2:

[JBKing]

This is exciting news. We are renaming our packages to better reflect the actual content. AT50 has long been more than 50 channels, as have our other packages. We've actually been understating the offering as well as undercharging. AT50 will now be AT60 and actually there are still more than 60 channels in that package. The $1 increase that we have been eating for months will now be added. See, here at E*, we have saved you over $12 by holding off on that increase for over 12 months. <nobody will remember we were obligated by that price guarantee we promised anyway> When compared to other products and services, our rate of increase is much less than other products you could be spending your money on.

<cue meaningless graph with no X/Y coordinates or labels, showing E* pricing on slow but steady climb, compared to product ABC on a steep incline.>

Here we have our package costs compared to the cost of crack cocaine on the streets of LA. See, our costs are not going up near as much as it could. You can feel safe knowing that E* is looking out for your best interests. Besides, if these programmers didn't keep overcharging for their meager offerings we wouldn't have to pass the costs on to you. Call them up and ask why their costs are going up more than the inflation rate. We held off as long as we can.

Plus, we have added channels to make our exciting new packages an even better deal. Reality TV has just been added, along with a slew of shopping channels. Don't forget the remote control channel either. We don't have to provide such a great service to you, but we do so to make your dbs viewing that much more enjoyable, all at the lowest cost possible.

Besides, you've spent this much money on our equipment and monthly programming costs already. In fact, you are almost like owners, you can feel good knowing that you are helping to pay for the costs to bring you such good entertainment.

Well, let's talk about the exciting news with our new 921 receiver.

Charlie -- do not mention this, due to the Tivo lawsuit. Just kill a few minutes, until our special guest is ready.

Now, for some real excitement, let's introduce tonight's special guests... Jim Ferguson and Britney Troise. .........



oink! oink!

[Chris Walker]

oink! oink!

What happened to ole Brittany anyway? Charlie ditched her like a 2 dollar hoe

[Earl Zuberbelt]

What happened to ole Brittany anyway? Charlie ditched her like a 2 dollar hoe

Britney was, and is, a terrific young lady. The posts here over the past few years have been in the poorest of taste.

Britney is a straight-A student, attending a top university and living her life.

Some of you should be so lucky to even know a person of this character and honesty.

Some of the comments directed her way are shameful, and while not reflective of the overall membership of this group, is one reason I only drop in to visit once in a while.

What most of you don't know, would fill several landfills.

-Earl
Yankee born Southern bred

[Darkman]

We sure as hell better see new channels(not shopping) added if they are raising the price!

maybe they will give us the New (presently uplinked) Private Fantasy channel, to compensate for the Price Increase :D

[BobMurdoch]

Hell have an auction for someone to call in and do it! What would be even better if they had Ned Beatty on as a guest!

Ready to raise prices again Mr. Loo-thor?

(Yeah, I know you were going for the Deliverance angle, but the minion role fits too)

[Throwbot]

1. There wont' be a price increase.
2. 4 New HDTV channels will be added
3. New Locals will be added and others announced.
4. Charlie will give away super bowl tickets
5. The 921 will be demo'd finally
6. Those monkeys will finally fly out of my ass
I'LL BID $20.0 ON # 6

[donald]

Would love to see dish update us on the progress they are making on fixing the defective 811

[James Long]

What most of you don't know, would fill several landfills.
And we call that landfill "the Internet". It's amazing what is out there.

JL

[Cheyenne]

Will the Superbowl be on CBSHD channel for DISH subs???

[Rocky Watson]

People who are calling dish to do "yearly" credit card auto pay are being told about the increases in these two packages

looks like a buck on at 100 and 2 bucks on at150

rock

[Chetk]

looks like a buck on at 100 and 2 bucks on at150Looks like I'll be downgrading my Americas Everything Pack plus all four movie packages to the top 50 (or 80) package and get rid of Cinemax (unless they announce Cinemax HD) AND Starz (unless they announce StarzHD). I'm tired of rate increases. I don't watch many SD channels and I don't want to pay extra for something I'm not watching. I hope I can convince MANY people of the same thing so that it makes this $1 increase a loss for Dish Network, but I doubt it with the number of customers they have. A $1 increase could increase profits by $1,000,000 a month for them in just DVR owners. IMAGINE how much it would be if it were a $2 increase and for ALL E* customers. :nono:

Thanks, Dish Network, for giving me one more reason to sell my 6000U and switch to VOOM. I was only waiting for VOOM to get HBOHD and now they have it. :hurah:

[Bichon]

Britney was, and is, a terrific young lady. The posts here over the past few years have been in the poorest of taste.

Britney is a straight-A student, attending a top university and living her life.


That may be, but she lacked the acting ability, screen presence and comfort with the camera to bring to her weekly television show anything approaching a professional caliber performance. Her enthusiasm seemed forced and unnatural, and it sounded like she was reading from cue cards. I always assumed that Charlie or Jim put a niece or granddaughter in a Dish Network T-shirt, and told her to have at it.

That said, I'll agree that the "oink" comment was inappropriate.

[Mike Richardson]

Thanks, Dish Network, for giving me one more reason to sell my 6000U and switch to VOOM. I was only waiting for VOOM to get HBOHD and now they have it. :hurah:

Yes, let's switch from one piglet (Echostar) to another hog (Cablevision).

[scottchez]

Will they confirm the 921 release in the masses.

The Dish rep at CES said there wont be any in stock till Febuary other than the 20-30 sold each month like right now.

Is there a factory problem? Software? Or both?

The HDTIvo now has 200 in Beta in peoples homes (confirmed by the Tivo rep at CES). Looks like Direct TV is going to win and get there out first fully working (Dish still is missing features like the OTA guide).

[SParker]

Hello Mr. Ergen would you like some swine with your grey poupon? :)

[Miyu]

the price increases are quite minimal esp considering them as compared to cables..

[James Long]

the price increases are quite minimal esp considering them as compared to cables..
Try not to run a percentage comparison.

JL

[Miyu]

if you wanted me to i could definitely get the percentages for you buddy ;) lol.

i have to admit... the whole cable pig ad campaign/dish price increase thing was poorly timed.

[gpflepsen]

As of right now there is no price increase. This time tomorrow... well, we'll see then.

[Mike D-CO5]

It makes Dish look like a big HYPOCRITE saying that cable goes up every year. Dish has gone up every year for the last 3 years. The increases may be smaller than cable, but they are still increasing like cable does every year.

[James Long]

I don't believe a buck or two is bad, especially with cable going up $5 to $10 over the same period. But the pig campaign likes to quote percentages. With a low cost solution like AT100 (soon to be AT120), a $1 becomes a percentage worth discussing.

Yeah, I could pay a cable company $60 for the same channels, or less. :)

JL

[Geronimo]

I hope we get an update on Turner and VIACOM----but I really don't expect him to say much. there will be alot of disgruntled folks if either is shut off----especailly those with a long term commitment.

[scottchez]

Some minor news that they will talk about.

After one year of contract talks. Omaha, Ne WB15 and Fox 42 and Des Monies WB will be added to locals.

The rep at the station said a verbal agreement as been reached and that paper work is being signed (that was last weeK)

[stickyfingers]

Can I ask Charlie where my 811 is?

[BobMurdoch]

Sure, just make sure that you sound mildly brain damaged when you call up so you can make it through through the screeners. It seems they only want newbies and softball questions in their Q & A lately.

[FTA Michael]

As of right now there is no price increase. This time tomorrow... well, we'll see then.Reminds me of the old joke of the guy who fell off a tall building. As he passed each floor, he was heard to remark, "So far, so good." :grin:

[Phil T]

Any chance we might see Mark L. as a special guest - 921 expert?

[jrbdmb]

I don't believe a buck or two is bad, especially with cable going up $5 to $10 over the same period. But the pig campaign likes to quote percentages. With a low cost solution like AT100 (soon to be AT120), a $1 becomes a percentage worth discussing.

Yeah, I could pay a cable company $60 for the same channels, or less. :)

JL
Dish Latino going up from $21.99 to $24.99. 13.6% increase.
Dish Latino Dos going up from $31.99 to $34.99. 9.38% increase.

How much you wanna bet these will be the percentages cable companies trumpet in their next set of ads? (Satellite increases prices of basic programming up to 13.6%!!! SQUEEEEAAALLL!!!)

[Paul Secic]

Should be an interesting chat this month. Looks like Dish may announce a price increase.

As usual, please join us in our Chat Room (http://chat.dbstalk.com) during the show beginning at 7:30 CDT. The Charlie Chat is on channel 101 starting at 8:00 CST. Remember, no registration is required to join the chat!

See you there!
I read they're renaming packages. AT 50 =AT 60, AT 100 = AT 120 AT 150 = AT 180.

[Nick]

AT180 - that would be AT150 + 30 new shopping/infomercial channels :rolleyes:

[Mark Lamutt]

Not tonight, Phil...maybe next month for the tech chat...

[TNGTony]

AT150 currently has "over" 185 channels on it.

See ya
Tony

[lee635]

Britney was, and is, a terrific young lady. The posts here over the past few years have been in the poorest of taste.

Britney is a straight-A student, attending a top university and living her life.

Some of you should be so lucky to even know a person of this character and honesty.

Some of the comments directed her way are shameful, and while not reflective of the overall membership of this group, is one reason I only drop in to visit once in a while.

What most of you don't know, would fill several landfills.

-Earl
Yankee born Southern bred

Thanks for your comments. People also seem to forget that her target audience was other kids, not "techie" adults. I'm also reminded of the recent tragic suicide of Mr. Jonathan Brandis who was the teen star of Seaquest DSV. There are real people beind these young talking heads on TV. People will post flames on the net that they would never have the gall to mutter in person.

[FTA Michael]

AT150 currently has "over" 185 channels on it.Hmm, I wonder why the Dish site ( http://www.dishnetwork.com/content/programming/packages/at_150/index.asp?viewby=1&packid=10045&sortby=1 ) says "We call it America's Top 150, but we keep adding new channels! Viewers actually get 169 top channels in this mega-package..."

[TNGTony]

Sorry for the long list, but it is necessary:

AT150 TV channels:

1 Do It Yourself Network AT150
2 Style AT150
3 A&E Biography AT150
4 History International AT150
5 Fox Movies AT150
6 Fox Sports World (English) AT150
7 Outdoor Life AT150
8 The Outdoor Channel AT150
9 VH-1 Classic AT150
10 Great American Country AT150
11 Boomerang SAP AT150
12 Nick Games and Sports AT150
13 Discovery Kids AT150
14 Hallmark Channel (formerly Odyssey) AT150
15 National Geographic Channel AT150
16 Soap Net AT150
17 Reality TV USA AT150
18 Discovery Times (Formerly Discovery Civilization) AT150
19 The Science Channel AT150
20 Discovery Home & Leisure AT150
21 Discovery Wings Channel AT150
22 Bloomberg TV US AT150
23 CNBC World AT150
24 Wisdom AT150
25 The Movie Channel (West) SAP AT150
26 The Movie Channel Xtra (West) SAP AT150
27 Encore (West) SAP AT150
28 Encore Westerns AT150
29 Encore Action! AT150
30 Encore Mystery AT150
31 Encore True Stories AT150
32 Encore Love Stories AT150
33 Encore WAM AT150
34 The Golf Channel AT150

AT100 TV Channels

35 Gol TV (In English When Available) SAP AT150
36 Lifetime Movie Network AT100
37 Game Show Network AT100
38 Black Entertainment TV AT100
39 Women&apos;s Entertainment AT100
40 Bravo AT100
41 American Movie Classics AT100
42 Independent Film Channel AT100
43 Turner Classic Movies SAP AT100
44 BBC America AT100
45 FX SAP AT100
46 ESPN Classic AT100
47 The Speed Channel Formerly "Speedvision" AT100
48 Fuse (Was Much Music USA until 5/19) AT100
49 Noggin The N AT100
50 Toon Disney SAP AT100
51 Pax TV AT100
52 Discovery Channel&apos;s Animal Planet AT100
53 Discovery Health AT100
54 Tech TV (ZDTV) AT100
55 Fox News Channel AT100
56 CNN/FN & CNN International AT100
57 MSNBC AT100
58 WGN Superstation (Chicago) AT100
59 Univisión (Este) AT100
60 Univisión (Oeste) AT100
61 Telefutura (Este) AT100
62 Telefutura (Oeste) AT100
63 Galavisión (Este) AT100

AT50 TV Channels

64 USA Network SAP AT50
65 TV Land AT50
66 Comedy Central AT50
67 Lifetime SAP AT50
68 Food Network AT50
69 Home & Garden TV AT50
70 Entertainment TV AT50
71 Arts & Entertainment AT50
72 The History Channel AT50
73 Sci-Fi Channel AT50
74 Turner Network TV SAP AT50
75 Dish Network Sports Stop AT50
76 ESPN AT50
77 ESPNews AT50
78 ESPN 2 AT50
79 Music Television AT50
80 Music Television 2 AT50
81 Video Hits-One AT50
82 Country Music TV AT50
83 Spike TV (Formerly TNN) AT50
84 Nickelodeon/Nick at Nite SAP AT50
85 Nickelodeon/Nick at Nite (West) AT50
86 The Disney Channel AT50
87 The Disney Channel (West) AT50
88 Cartoon Network SAP AT50
89 The Learning Channel AT50
90 ABC Family Formerly Fox Family AT50
91 Discovery Channel AT50
92 Cable News Network AT50
93 Headline News Network AT50
94 Court TV AT50
95 CNBC US AT50
96 C-SPAN AT50
97 C-SPAN 2 AT50
98 NASA Select TV AT50
99 The Weather Channel AT50
100 The Travel Channel AT50
101 TBS Superstation SAP AT50
102 Trinity Broadcasting Network AT50
103 Eternal Word TV Net US SAP AT50
104 Angel One AT50
105 TV Games Network (Horse Racing) AT50

Public Interest Channels

106 Research Channel AT50
107 Hispanic Info & Telecomm. Net. AT50
108 PBS You AT50
109 Brigham Young Univ. TV AT50
110 University of Washington TV AT50
111 Health TV AT50
112 StarNet AT50
113 Colours TV AT50
114 Daystar (Per Sky Angel Law Suit AT50
115 RFD-TV AT50
116 WorldLink TV AT50
117 N. Arizona University House AT50
118 University of California TV AT50
119 Educating Everyone AT50
120 FamilyNet (Per Sky Angel Law Suit AT50
121 Free Speech TV AT50
122 Good Samaritan Network AT50
123 Panhandle Area Ed. Consortium AT50

AT100 Music Only Channels

124 New Country AT100
125 Country Classics AT100
126 Country Currents AT100
127 Jukebox Gold AT100
128 70s Songbook AT100
129 Adult Favorites AT100
130 Adult Contemporary AT100
131 Adult Alternative AT100
132 Hot Hits AT100
133 Classic Rock AT100
134 Modern Rock Alternative AT100
135 Power Rock AT100
136 NUJazz AT100
137 Urban Beat AT100
138 Latin Styles AT100
139 Fiesta Mexicana AT100
140 EuroStyle AT100
141 Jazz Traditions AT100
142 Contemporary Jazz Flavors AT100
143 Accoustic Crossroads AT100
144 Contemporary Instrumentals AT100
145 Classical Ambiance AT100
146 Light Classical AT100
147 Easy Instrumentals AT100
148 Big Band Era AT100
149 Contemporary Christian AT100
150 Kid Tunes AT100
151 New Age AT100
152 Blues AT100
153 Reggae AT100
154 LDS-BYU Radio Network AT100
155 Hawaiian Music AT100

AT150 Audio only channels

156 Hitline (Mono) AT150
157 Hot FM (Mono) AT150
158 Expressions (Mono) AT150
159 Love Songs (Mono) AT150
160 All that Jazz (Mono) AT150
161 Moodscapes (Mono) AT150
162 New Orleans (Mono) AT150
163 Piano and Guitar (Mono) AT150
164 7890 - 4 Decades of Music (Mono) AT150
165 50s and 60s Hits (Mono) AT150
166 70s Hits (Mono) AT150
167 80s Hits (Mono) AT150
168 Beach Party (Mono) AT150
169 Country Music One (Mono) AT150
170 Urban Adult (Mono) AT150
171 Classic Soul (Mono) AT150
172 Italia (Mono) AT150
173 Troical Breezes (Mono) AT150
174 Roadhouse (Mono) AT150

Shopping channels "No one ever watches" (last year's "direct response TV sales over $10 BILLION)

175 "Stuff" Infomercial Channel AT50
176 Shopping "Mall" Infomercial Channel AT50
177 The Travel Channel (moving to channel 215) AT50
178 The Men&apos;s Channel/Direct Shopping Network AT50
179 Home Shopping Network AT50
180 Healthy Living Channel AT50
181 Shop at Home AT50
182 The Beauty and Fashion Channel AT50
183 Quality Value Convenience AT50
184 America&apos;s Collectibles Network AT50
185 Shop NBC AT50
186 iShop/Gem Shopping Network AT50

Alternate Sports channels that are very REAL channels especially the Fox. One Fox should be FSN/Wisconsin. Another is FSMW 2.

187 ESPN Alternate AT50
188 ESPN 2 Alternate AT50
189 Fox Sports Alternate 1 AT100
190 Fox Sports Alternate 2 AT100
191 Fox Sports Alternate 3 AT100
192 Fox Sports Alternate 4 AT100

Barker channels.
193 Dish HDTV Demo Channel AT50
194 What's on DISH 500 AT50
195 Dish Network Sports Stop AT50
196 PPV Guide AT50
197 PPV Event Pre-order AT50
198 International Promotional Info AT50
199 You have a SuperDISH @105 AT50
200 Dish Network 1-0-1 SAP AT50
201 PPV Guide AT50


See ya
Tony

[Earl Zuberbelt]

Thanks for your comments. People also seem to forget that her target audience was other kids, not "techie" adults. I'm also reminded of the recent tragic suicide of Mr. Jonathan Brandis who was the teen star of Seaquest DSV. There are real people beind these young talking heads on TV. People will post flames on the net that they would never have the gall to mutter in person.

You are welcome... nice to see some sane and coherant folks here... it's only TV.
-Earl
Yankee born Southern bred

[David_C]

While technically the AT150 package may have 201 different working "channels" you can tune to, I would not count:

Barker channels -- I think it's fair to say that the majority of these air a very short "rotation" of video clips that few people would consider "real" programming,
Music channels -- they count for something, but since they're not video channels, they should be treated separately,
Alternate sports channels -- the overwhelming majority of the time, they are off or blacked out.
I would also omit any channels that you can view without having a subscription (since paying for AT50, AT100, or AT150 doesn't actually add those channels), but I'll let that slide.

So IMHO one could say the AT150 package has:

123 channels of "real" programming,
12 shopping channels (:barf:, but I'll count them)
----
135 Total television channels (141 if you count the 6 alternate sports channels),

Plus:

31 stereo music channels (with one more around Christmas)
19 mono music channels
1 LDS-BYU Radio Network (does this ever have music?)

[not a member here]

on charlie chat they say the are going to change top 150 to top 180 and charge more for it.

are they adding any channels or are they just changing the name (based on all the garbage channels already included) to justify their price increase?

i mean there is really less than 100 channels once you subtract the junk channels: cd/audio, foxsports, public interest.

[Chris Freeland]

on charlie chat they say the are going to change top 150 to top 180 and charge more for it.

are they adding any channels or are they just changing the name (based on all the garbage channels already included) to justify their price increase?

i mean there is really less than 100 channels once you subtract the junk channels: cd/audio, foxsports, public interest.

It's only a name change for now, however channels that you may think as junk channels, others think of them as Gems, some of the channels you may think are gems others think are junk, everyone has different ideas on what is junk and what is a gem. Their are many here that love the FoxSports channels, their are those that like the Dish CD audio channels and some of us even like the PI channels. AT60, AT120 and AT180 are only marketing names and for marketing purposes, PI channels, Dish CD channels, Dish Audio channels, your local Fox Sports, Turner South here and all of the cable tv networks in these packages are counted and when you count these, their is already 60 or more channels in AT60, over 120 channels in AT120 and 180 or more channels in AT180.

[TNGTony]

David,

The name of the packages are AT100 CD and AT150 CD The channel count SPECIFICALLY includes the audio channels. Whether you think they should be counted or not. They are and have been since the original AT60 became AT100CD. (see http://ekb.dbstalk.com/19)

Sports alternate channels never count until some one's favorite sports team is playing on one of them and there is a glitch. Then it is the most important channel in the system! I can hear the screams here when some one is missing a Brewer's game or a Royals game. :) But okay, lets not count those.

BTW I did neglect to count the local RSN in the mix here. That can be anywhere from 1 to 3 channels depending on the area. I get two.

I also accidentally counted The travel Channel twice (once in the shopping channels mix)

See ya
Tony

[newsub]

David,

The name of the packages are AT100 CD and AT150 CD The channel count SPECIFICALLY includes the audio channels. Whether you think they should be counted or not. They are and have been since the original AT60 became AT100CD. (see http://ekb.dbstalk.com/19)

Sports alternate channels never count until some one's favorite sports team is playing on one of them and there is a glitch. Then it is the most important channel in the system! I can hear the screams here when some one is missing a Brewer's game or a Royals game. :) But okay, lets not count those.

BTW I did neglect to count the local RSN in the mix here. That can be anywhere from 1 to 3 channels depending on the area. I get two.

I also accidentally counted The travel Channel twice (once in the shopping channels mix)

See ya
Tony

I should have emailed charlie about replacing the stupid MUZAK channels with music choice or adding music choice in addition to the MUZAK channels. I betcha that would've gotten through to be asked on air since it's not a technical question that would have stumped the hosts. Of course they would have asked the programming person who would have said either "we're currently in negotiations with music choice" or "We'll get in contact with Music Choice to see if we can add them to our lineup in the future" or something of that nature.

[jrbdmb]

It's interesting (but not surprising) that no mention was made in the Chat to price increases for the Latino packages. Could this mean they aren't going up in price after all? :rolleyes:

[Mike D-CO5]

I want to know how they can justify a 3.00 increase in AEP when the lower packs don't go up that much to equal a 3.00 increase. It looks like to me that Charlie is just trying to make up for the dvr fee that we are not suppossed to pay. Why else that amount. We aren't getting anything in the way of new channels to justify a 3.00 increase. Unless you count the Reality channel and the new Bingo channel crap. I can't even get this channel to play either in Texas or Arkansas. No use to me , but I wouldn' t play that junk anyway.

Still I would like to know why that amount and how they justify that large of an increase on that one package alone.

[David_Levin]

I want to know how they can justify a 3.00 increase in AEP when the lower packs don't go up that much to equal a 3.00 increase.

Yea, that was kind of my reaction too....
Let's see (grabbing the calculator), the % is 3.75%. Definately the worst increase of the bunch. The biggest customers are footing the bill for the smaller.

OK, now I'm confused - I just called customer service....
Was asking about annual payments.

AEP can't sign up for annual pay (as I thought), but I can take Top 150 and 4 movie packages and get annual price break?

Current Pricing AEP w/ locals = 80 * 12 = 960
+ PVR price break (1x 510)
(new pricing 83 * 12 = 996)

Annual:
Top 150: $473
4 Prem: $407
Locals: $72 (no annual break)
PRV Fee: $5*12 = 60
Total $1012

So, with the PVR break we're saving a few bucks with AEP. I'll save more when I add a 921 (and dump a 508). Unless I dump the the 510.

But, without a PVR fee, it's slightly cheaper to buy Ala-Cart and take the annual price break (that's silly). Even more savings if you consider signing up for annual now locks in the lower rate.

And something about Charlie's mention of AEP and the PVR fee really left a bad taste in my mouth. He inferred that AEP was not really a $3 price increase because of the $5 PVR savings. Silly - it's still $3 more this month then last, PVR fees don't apply equally to all customers, and two years back Charlie was constantly bragging that E* doesn't charge a PVR fee (which made sense considering the inferior product compared to TiVo).

(Sounds like when the PIG said they are adding a Cable Internet discount of $10 for Video customers and simultaneouely raised the price $10).

Sorry this discussion got split into two threads - caught this one first. I suppose a separate thread on pricing would probably make sense.

[James Long]

I want to know how they can justify a 3.00 increase in AEP when the lower packs don't go up that much to equal a 3.00 increase.
I'd like to redo the math. IIRC:
AT50 up zero to AT60, AT100 up 1 cent to AT120, AT150 up $1.01 to AT180
AT120 + HBO/Cine up $1.01 (Which is actually $1 more than AT120 went up)

My recall just died ... I didn't replay that part of the show last night when taking notes. But I seem to recall similar price changes on the other movie packs.

It looks like the Almost Everything Pack got the increase of $1.01 for AT180 and $1 for HBO/Cine that I remember seeing ... It would only take a $1 increase for Showtime to get to the $3 total increase.

JL

[David_C]

It's interesting (but not surprising) that no mention was made in the Chat to price increases for the Latino packages. Could this mean they aren't going up in price after all? :rolleyes:It was mentioned, but only in the spanish alternate audio to the show. :D