New Locals

[Frostilicus]

According to last night's chat, Traverse City, MI locals are going to be available on the 22nd with a small second dish. EKB shows these uplinked on 121. Is it possible to get 121 without a larger dish?

[EchoDork]

Unfortunately, no. The 105 and 121 satellites use FSS broadcasting technology, which essentially means you can't pick up their signals using conventional LNBFs. Not only can you not use your existing dish, but you can't use a regular Dish 300 either. SuperDish only. All locals channel releases from now on will require the upgrade to SuperDish.

[Frostilicus]

Then whats it mean by "small second dish"? If it means they're putting them on 61.5, then i'm set, as i already have one of those.

[James Long]

Unfortunately, no. The 105 and 121 satellites use FSS broadcasting technology, which essentially means you can't pick up their signals using conventional LNBFs. Not only can you not use your existing dish, but you can't use a regular Dish 300 either. SuperDish only. All locals channel releases from now on will require the upgrade to SuperDish.
Perhaps you missed the nuance ...
Traverse City WILL be available on January 22nd via a second small dish. The new colorado area will also be available January 22nd via a second small dish. (And Johnston-Altoona will be available January 29th on Dish 500.)

Your statement "All locals channel releases from now on will require the upgrade to SuperDish." Is in direct conflict with the announcements made last night.

Charlie and Jim left out the details of where that "second small dish" would point, but they did describe the dish as such. NOT as "SuperDish." Perhaps you can check in the system and see where these locals will end up (I'm guessing TC will move, again, to 61.5º and the colorado local will be put up on 148º.)

JL

[Frostilicus]

That would be sweet if the move was to 61.5. between the main dish 500, the second one looking at 61.5 and the goofy OTA antenna mast i have next to it, the back side of my house already looks like I'm calling the mothership.

[Chris Blount]

This is only speculation but Charlie eluded to the fact that some people already have a second small dish that could be used. This sounds like those locals are probably going to be on 61.5 or 148.

[EchoDork]

I left the company in mid-December. At that time, we were advised that all future local launches would require installation of a SuperDish. They may be revising that policy or making exceptions... it wouldn't be the first time that employees were told one thing and Charlie said something completely different in the Chat.

My answer: Ok then, I have no idea.

[James Long]

I left the company in mid-December. At that time, we were advised that all future local launches would require installation of a SuperDish. They may be revising that policy or making exceptions... it wouldn't be the first time that employees were told one thing and Charlie said something completely different in the Chat.

My answer: Ok then, I have no idea.
Good answer! :grin:

Things changed quite a bit in November when they realized that 105º wasn't going to do as well as they wanted with AMC-2. They have actually done a couple of Dish500 new markets since then, and several markets on 105º and 121º. But there are a couple more scheduled for Dish500 and apparently these two will be elsewhere.

No big deal, EchoDork. Sometimes we know more than some E* employees. Probably because we look for every nuance for a clue ... OOOOHHH Charlie scratched his left nostril! That means new HD this month!

(We don't watch him *that* closely. :) )

JL

[Frostilicus]

I called Dish and asked them if it was SuperDish, 500 or 61.5, and the nice lady said that there was no mention in the computer of which it would be requiring. 9 days out. So I guess i wait.

[James Long]

Watch the skies. There are those with FTA devices who will be able to see movement and will post what they know. Changes are most often done on Wednesdays. I doubt if you will have a 9 day wait! :)

JL

[Darkman]

Announced at Today's Retailer Charlie Chat - that indeed those 2 markets (mentioned above) will be launched and available on a smaller dish -... just as justalurker guessed - one at 61.5 and the other one at 148...

The third one mentioned above also - will indeed be on DiSH 500

[James Long]

FLASH! I've been watching the CC for details that were missed while reading chat and listening, and in the answer to the "pointing a Dish300 at 105" question from Chattanoga, they said that they WILL be coming out with an easier to install second dish for people who would normally need a superdish. The dish was described as smaller than a SuperDish.

A two dish solution for FSS birds. Add one of these to a regular superdish (and a DP+44) and one can get both FSS birds and Dish500 channels. It looks like they have seen the poor man and decided to start selling one themselves!

JL

[Chris Freeland]

FLASH! I've been watching the CC for details that were missed while reading chat and listening, and in the answer to the "pointing a Dish300 at 105" question from Chattanoga, they said that they WILL be coming out with an easier to install second dish for people who would normally need a superdish. The dish was described as smaller than a SuperDish.

A two dish solution for FSS birds. Add one of these to a regular superdish (and a DP+44) and one can get both FSS birds and Dish500 channels. It looks like they have seen the poor man and decided to start selling one themselves!

JL

I too heard that and wander how much smaller can they go and still make it work? It will be interesting to see how this pans out. Another advantage for E* to going with a 2nd dish option for 105 and 121 is that it might help relieve some of the shortage problems they have with the SuperDish.

[James Long]

I too heard that and wander how much smaller can they go and still make it work?
I'm guessing 24" circular. It doesn't have to be defocused to allow for 110 and 119 LNBs. We'll find out soon enough.

JL

[JohnH]

What better time than when HD Events goes dark on the wings.

[JohnH]

BTW: There are 2 new markets loading up on 148. Can't tell what they are yet. Just have numbers.

[James Long]

Maybe we will get lucky and MORE of the 105/121 markets will end up on 61.5/148 like Traverse City and Grand Junction. The add on FSS dish commented in the chat is a good idea, but not as good as staying on FULL POWER satellites.

JL

[James Long]

BTW: There are 2 new markets loading up on 148. Can't tell what they are yet. Just have numbers.
Anything matching Tony's work?

- I got to get me one of those PC cards. Do they work with DishPro or do I need to use a legacy adapter?

JL

[JohnH]

I think there are DiSEqC compatible ones. Mine is not. Probably would still need the Legacy adaptor.

BTW: The 148 finds were with a plain FTA receiver. The card will give the IDs whenever the channels are added to the system. There is software which can be purchased to allow some cards to do this. My card is not one of them, but 3-4 weeks at the keyboard solved that. :)

[TNGTony]

Hey...using 148 and 61.5 for locals as well as 121 and 105 plus the spot beams....they have enough bandwidth to get every single market up.

If they can consolidate the internationals on 121, they have it made!

BTW...
The two new local markets on 148° look to have an ABC, CBS, NBC, Fox and PBS station. One of them has an independent or second PBS. Neither have WB or UPN.

I'm guessing one of them is Grand Junction or Duluth. ... could be both, but I only see 5 stations for each market (no indy, rel or second PBS) . However these could end up on 61.5°

Other west cities that fit:
Medford (big 4, PBS and indy.)
Lincoln, NE (Big 4, PBS and secondary ABC)
Fargo, ND (ditto lincoln)
Topeka, KS (Big 4 and PBS)

See ya
Tony

[Darkman]

hehe - current internationals at 61.5 and 148 will stay put.. for now anyhow.. so they say :)

hehe - fargo.. would be cool..

but maybe duluth.. cuz they said before - duluth - Jan 04

[EchoDork]

I can probably save you some time and tell you not to bother calling E* to ask for details about upcoming local launches. What we saw in these events looked something like this:

January 17th
Locals launch in Antarctica
The following channels are now available as a DMA local package in the Antarctica Area:
- KSNO (NBC) Channel 2
- KCLD (CBS) Channel 5
- KPNG (FOX) Channel 9

Due to the missing ABC affiliate, the price for this DMA package will be $4.99/mo. These channels are being broadcast from the 61.5W satellite.

And that's about it. No information on which spot beam. No information on future channels, release dates, contract negotiations, possible PBS or secondary channels, nothing. We got that information the day of the launch, normally after the channels were already active. Before the channels go live and the update is published, 99% of CSRs will have absolutely no clue about the status of the networks, which ones are coming, when they go live, what channels will be included in the package, or anything. The ones who do know use the same sources you guys have access to... chats, after-market equipment, and a whole lot of intuition and guesswork ;)

[Darkman]

hehe, Antarctica ;)

EchoDork - "And that's about it. No information on which spot beam" - 61.5 - doesn't have spot beams :D

[EchoDork]

hehe, Antarctica ;)

EchoDork - "And that's about it. No information on which spot beam" - 61.5 - doesn't have spot beams :D

Yes, but 110 certainly does, where 95% of the locals were launched when I worked for the company :D

Excuse the made up information in my impromptu example :p

[Darkman]

my english poor.. often hard to aprehand "made up impromtu examples" :D

[James Long]

I can probably save you some time and tell you not to bother calling E* to ask for details about upcoming local launches. What we saw in these events looked something like this:
That's what we see on Charlie Chats and is reported to have been seen on Retailer Chats ... except since October the markets that came to Superdish were identified, and when 61.5 or 148 is needed for "extra" local channels it usually gets mentioned as well. No secret there.

What was being referred to was the sign up screen that a CSR sees. We have had reports that the screen will report what dish is needed to receive the channel, for example the recent Chinese package addition to 121º. Call for that and the CSR will know you need a SuperDish 121.

The hope of calling a CSR on Traverse City would be that the dish requirement note would be visible, as it is with the international package mentioned. It is a mute point now as it has been CONFIRMED to be on 61.5º, the most logical place anyways.

Before the channels go live and the update is published, 99% of CSRs will have absolutely no clue about the status of the networks, which ones are coming, when they go live, what channels will be included in the package, or anything. The ones who do know use the same sources you guys have access to... chats, after-market equipment, and a whole lot of intuition and guesswork ;)
They need to be put in the system at some point, and it is a free call. Worst case would be having some CSR guess wrong, or simply say "I don't know".

Then again, now we know the point is moot and those skywatchers can see the new channels added again.

JL

[bhadsock]

The map of the locals they showed during the last Charlie Chat had 2 additional red dots in SC (one over Myrtle Beach, SC which I need) that they do not list locals for. Would this indicate they are close to adding them?

[JohnH]

For those in Traverse City area Fox 33 and NBC 7 are on 61.5 Tp 4. The others most likely will show there soon.

EDIT: Of course they are not available yet.

Also looks like The NBC affiliate refers to itself as NBC 7 & 4. :D

[Darkman]

7565-7568 (148 i think) and something on 7571 also, but that one is at 119

[James Long]

Also looks like The NBC affiliate refers to itself as NBC 7 & 4. :D
Many of the stations there are two transmitter, in order to cover both parts of the DMA. The other option would be to put a really big tower in northern Lake Michigan. :lol:

IIRC: The Lyngsat charts had their 7&4 logo up. Looks like another Madison ... third satellite is the charm!

JL
PS: MY card is in the post, for only £25, post paid

[JohnH]

7565-7568 (148 i think) and something on 7571 also, but that one is at 119

It's Grand Junction and they are all at 148. :)

[Chris Freeland]

I'm guessing 24" circular. It doesn't have to be defocused to allow for 110 and 119 LNBs. We'll find out soon enough.

JL

If E* can reduce the size of a 2nd dish option to a 24" circular for 105, as an alternative to the SuperDish, I think I would prefer adding a 2nd dish to my Dish500 rather then replacing it with the SuperDish.

[JohnH]

Kingsport-Johnson City, TN Bristol-Norton, VA
I guess this is Tri-Cities market.
Anyhow it is warming up on 105 SuperDISH location.
Not available yet.
7615-7618, 7621 and 7622.

[James Long]

If E* can reduce the size of a 2nd dish option to a 24" circular for 105, as an alternative to the SuperDish, I think I would prefer adding a 2nd dish to my Dish500 rather then replacing it with the SuperDish.
I think most people would.

SuperDish is good for those who only want one pole in their yard to mow around, or are limited on where they can place a dish and only have one line of sight location.

"ExtraDish"TM should be as easy to mount as a Dish500, with the same basic characteristics for mounting and wind load. But it does lead to an issue with people who have limited line of sight to the 105-110-119-121 orbits. A creative person could mount them one above the other.

"SideDish"SM needs a completely different line of sight. My Dish500 location cannot see 61.5º, so I've mounted my SideDish a few feet away where it will work (on a wall that can't see 110-119º).

If I spring for an ExtraDish It will end up next to my Dish500. I probably won't spring for it. If E* forces locals purchase and I end up on 105 or 121 THEY will have to buy me a ExtraDish ... and a DP+44 so I can keep 61.5º.

JL

[TonyM]

BTW...
The two new local markets on 148° look to have an ABC, CBS, NBC, Fox and PBS station. One of them has an independent or second PBS. Neither have WB or UPN.

I'm guessing one of them is Grand Junction or Duluth. ... could be both, but I only see 5 stations for each market (no indy, rel or second PBS) . However these could end up on 61.5°

TNGTony or JohnH
Is Duluth uplinked?
Duluth only has 5 stations (minus the TBN translator)
KDLH-CBS
KBJR-NBC
WDSE-PBS
WDIO-ABC
KQDS-FOX

so it wouldnt be alot of work for Dish to uplink them...just getting everyone to sign :)

edit--KBJR is licensed to Superior, WI, and has a satellite (KRII Chisholm, MN), so maybe Dish would have to carry both since they are in different states?

[JohnH]

TNGTony or JohnH
Is Duluth uplinked?
Duluth only has 5 stations (minus the TBN translator)
KDLH-CBS
KBJR-NBC
WDSE-PBS
WDIO-ABC
KQDS-FOX

so it wouldnt be alot of work for Dish to uplink them...just getting everyone to sign :)

No confirmation on what is there as far as Duluth is concerned, but things are happening. :)

In reference to your edit, they are probably not must carry situations.

[James Long]

edit--KBJR is licensed to Superior, WI, and has a satellite (KRII Chisholm, MN), so maybe Dish would have to carry both since they are in different states?
If it is a satellite, identical content, they only have to carry one. They can put it in the EPG twice if they are so inclined. :)

JL

[TonyM]

If it is a satellite, identical content, they only have to carry one. They can put it in the EPG twice if they are so inclined. :)

JL

The only thing that is different are some of the commericals and on KRII the newscast has a spot where it breaks in from the main KBJR feed for "local news & weather". The stations are only 70 miles apart from each other. KRII was built to supplement KBJR for the "Iron Range" area (and to bring some competition to WDIO's satellite in the area (WIRT))

It would be kinda nice for Dish to carry both....just my .02

[TonyM]

After doing a little research, I don't see why Dish would put Duluth on 148..the elevation for Duluth is 14 (!!!)
On 61.5, its at least 28

I check the fathest north point for the DMA (Grand Portage, MN) and the elevation is 12 if on 148.

Does the elevation meter go that low :lol: :lol:

[JohnH]

Well, my elevation for 148 is about 5 degrees. Comes in great. Had to move my dish location from my first choice. Trees a couple of blocks away got in the way. Dish looks like it is pointing at the ground. The LNBF arm even tilts down instead of the usual up. Had to tilt the mast to get it this low. :)

[Darkman]

It's Grand Junction and they are all at 148. :)

My appologies John.. yes you are correct there are all at 148, including that last one..

[James Long]

Here are the elevation angles to Dish500 and each wing (if > 0) from all of the cities that have been mentioned of late:
January Chat Announced Dates
102. Grand Junction, CO - January 22nd (148º)
(81501 - Dish500 @ 47 - 61.5º @ 21 - 148º @ 29)
103. Traverse City, MI - January 22nd (61.5º)
(49684 - Dish500 @ 31 - 61.5º @ 33 - 148º @ 11)
104. Johnstown/Altoona, PA - January 29th (Dish500)
(15901 - Dish500 @ 30 - 61.5º @ 40 - 148º @ 7)

December Chat Mentions
* Fort Wayne, IN (on 121º)
(46801 - Dish500 @ 33 - 61.5º @ 37 - 148º @ 12)
* Green Bay, WI (on 121º)
(54301 - Dish500 @ 32 - 61.5º @ 32 - 148º @ 12)
* South Bend, IN (on 105º)
(46601 - Dish500 @ 34 - 61.5º @ 36 - 148º @ 12)
* Columbia-Jefferson, MO
(65201 - Dish500 @ 39 - 61.5º @ 35 - 148º @ 18)
* Juneau, AK
(99801 - Dish500 @ 22 - 148º @ 23 if in footprint)
* Davenport-Moline, IA
(52801 - Dish500 @ 36 - 61.5º @ 34 - 148º @ 15)
* Lincoln, NE
(68502 - Dish500 @ 39 - 61.5º @ 31 - 148º @ 20)
* Tri-Cities, TV-VA
(37601 - Dish500 @ 36 - 61.5º @ 42 - 148º @ 11)

CES Printed Card mention
* Duluth, MN
(55701 - Dish500 @ 31 - 61.5º @ 28 - 148º @ 14)
* El Paso, TX
(79901 - Dish500 @ 52 - 61.5º @ 29 - 148º @ 32)
* Fargo, ND
(58102 - Dish500 @ 33 - 61.5º @ 26 - 148º @ 17)
* Harlingen, TX
(78550 - Dish500 @ 54 - 61.5º @ 39 - 148º @ 28)
* Medford, OR
(97501 - Dish500 @ 40 - 61.5º @ 12 - 148º @ 35)
* Portland, ME
(04101 - Dish500 @ 23 - 61.5º @ 39)
* Puerto Rico
(00901 - Dish500 @ 31 - 61.5º @ 68)
* Topeka, KS
(66601 - Dish500 @ 40 - 61.5º @ 33 - 148º @ 20)

CSR Verbal Rumor ("Summer")
* Norfolk, VA
(23500 - Dish500 @ 31 - 61.5º @ 44 - 148º @ 6)
* New Orleans, LA
(70112 - Dish500 @ 46 - 61.5º @ 43 - 148º @ 19)
* Providence, RI
(02901 - Dish500 @ 25 - 61.5º @ 41 - 148º @ 1)

Justa little data - in case more full market locals end up on the wings. The zip codes shown are the ones I used on the setup screen. Obviously all these locals won't show up on the wings, but this does show the possibilities.

JL

[TNGTony]

Lurker,

Just so you know, Juneau is definitely going on the Alaska spot beam on 119°.

See ya
Tony

[James Long]

Just so you know, Juneau is definitely going on the Alaska spot beam on 119°.
I figured that -- but I wanted to be complete. :)

JL

[Darkman]

That Fargo above... Any approximate time frame or romours on when it might be coming? ;)

[James Long]

That Fargo above... Any approximate time frame or romours on when it might be coming? ;)
They were mentioned in: http://www.dbstalk.com/showpost.php?p=183755&postcount=29

No date or time frame given ... 50 New Locals soon?
Sounds like a good PRESS RELEASE for them to put out (HINT HINT).
BRAG about last year when 47 new local areas were introduced.
BRAG that at least 50 more will be coming this year.

D* has 41 leftovers from 2003 coming no sooner than February.
D* has proposed 18 more IF they can get permission to use 72.5º .
That puts them at 105 with D7S and 123 total if they get 72.5º .
E* will be at 104 markets at the end of the month --- and we only know about all of the next 16 because of a card someone spotted at CES ?!?!?!?!?

:rant:

OK, better now. Put out a press release. You have good news to report and it will make E* look better in the merger. :D

JL

[Stu]

If in fact Norfolk VA as listed above is added this summer, does the list above mean that I can use my Dish 500, or will I need a SuperDish or the 2nd Dish?

Thanks

[JohnH]

If in fact Norfolk VA as listed above is added this summer, does the list above mean that I can use my Dish 500, or will I need a SuperDish or the 2nd Dish?

Thanks

Stu, probably not a DISH 500 market there. Maybe the second dish pointed at 61.5, but I doubt there is info yet.

[Darkman]

Tony, John, anyone...

At Tony's Chart.. where did those #s come from?
7550 6 148° E*2 (1)

New local market.... 7551 6 148° E*2 (1)
Info as it becomes available 7552 6 148° E*2 (1)

7553 6 148° E*2 (1)
7556 6 148° E*2 (1)
7557 6 148° E*2 (1)
Are those uplinked or something? ..or the SID's simply showing?

[JohnH]

Tony, John, anyone...

At Tony's Chart.. where did those #s come from?
7550 6 148° E*2 (1)

New local market.... 7551 6 148° E*2 (1)
Info as it becomes available 7552 6 148° E*2 (1)

7553 6 148° E*2 (1)
7556 6 148° E*2 (1)
7557 6 148° E*2 (1)
Are those uplinked or something? ..or the SID's simply showing?

There is most likely a new market there, but it is not in the system tables, so it does not show in the EPG, just on the Tp.

[Darkman]

But SID #s are shown however?

[JohnH]

But SID #s are shown however?

SIDs and PIDs on the TP.

[Stu]

Stu, probably not a DISH 500 market there. Maybe the second dish pointed at 61.5, but I doubt there is info yet.

Thanks JohnH,

If you need the 2nd dish, will it work with my Dishplayer?

I understand the SUPER DISH doesn't work with the 7100 or 7200.

[JohnH]

Thanks JohnH,

If you need the 2nd dish, will it work with my Dishplayer?

I understand the SUPER DISH doesn't work with the 7100 or 7200.

The DISHPlayer supports 148 as you can tell from the Settings/Hooking Up/Dish Pointing screen. You would need the SW64 as cascading is not supported.

There is a chance that 121 support might be added to the DISHPlayer. Would require SW64 and the "Extra Dish" rumored to be coming, but already available from other sources.

[TNGTony]

Just an FYI, If Dish sticks to convension, the channel numbers on the "new market" indicate that this market has an ABC, CBS, NBC, Fox, PBS and either independent or secondary PBS. There are a few markets that fit this. But many have a funky look angle at 148°. My money is on Medford, Oregon.

See ya
Tony

[Darkman]

John - where are those? ... on FTA receivers or something? ...cuz i do not think they are at any Dish's receivers yet...

7150 4 WGTU-TV (ABC - Traverse City)
Nagravision Conus J Hotsenpiller
040117
7151 4

WWTV-TV (CBS - Traverse City)
Nagravision Conus J Hotsenpiller
040117
7152 4

WPBN-TV (NBC - Traverse City)
Nagravision Conus J Hotsenpiller
040117
7153 4

WFQX-TV (FOX - Traverse City)
Nagravision Conus J Hotsenpiller
040117
7156 4 WCMV-TV (PBS - Traverse City)
Nagravision Conus J Hotsenpiller

[JohnH]

Not in the DISH Network system yet, but they are there. :D

BTW: You should have listed that it is EchoStar 3 at 61.5.

[Darkman]

Well..from today's 148 Lyngsat's update... if this is True then it looks like Lincoln:

7550 6

KLKN-TV (ABC - Lincoln)
Nagravision 1
Nagravision 2 Conus Anonymous
040118
7551 6

KOLN/KGIN-TV (Lincoln)
Nagravision 1
Nagravision 2 Conus Anonymous
040118
7552 6

KHAS-TV (NBC - Lincoln)
Nagravision 1
Nagravision 2 Conus Anonymous
040118
7553 6

KSNB-TV (Lincoln)
Nagravision 1
Nagravision 2 Conus Anonymous
040118
7554 6

KUON-TV (PBS - Lincoln)
Nagravision 1
Nagravision 2 Conus Anonymous
040118

John - can you check on those??? - sup with them.. is above correct?

[TNGTony]

Could be. Though channel 7554 is definitely in the wrong spot. It should be on 7556. Also there are two ABC affiliates in the market. One is owned by Citadel and the other by Pappas. So I'm guessing that both will eventually be on. that accounts for channel 7557

I'll update the chart as soon as I can. I am having some serious connectivity issues that have made it nearly impossible to manage the web site this weekend.

See ya
Tony

[JohnH]

There is still only 7550-7553 and 7556-7557. No 7554 or 7555.
.

[Darkman]

John - but do they look to you like Lincoln though, or you still can't tell? ;)

[JohnH]

I can't tell. but they most likely are since someone posted them that way.

[forklifter]

Oh great why at 148 I have a dish 500 one at 61.5 for HI def now Im going to need one at 148 and with the trees I dont know if I can even see 148 I was hoping for a 61.5 slot for lincoln

[James Long]

Oh great why at 148 I have a dish 500 one at 61.5 for HI def now Im going to need one at 148 and with the trees I dont know if I can even see 148 I was hoping for a 61.5 slot for lincoln
What HD were you getting? CBS-HD East and the demo loop are the only things staying at 61.5º. (Staying for the time being.)

JL

[forklifter]

Ya the cbs feed in HD are there any chances of moving it also I guess I could watch LA but with out an hd dvr yet it would be a pain

[JohnH]

Well, you can scrap the plan to move Traverse City to Tp 4 at 61.5. for the time being. Plan 9 From Outer Space moved everything from Tp 28 to Tp 4 at 61.5. :) Tp 28 is in flux now.

[Darkman]

hehe - John - you speaking riddles again :D
Read carefully what you said above - lol - you said "you can scrap the plan to move IT to tp 4 at 61.5....

However in the next sentense - you are saying - they did move it to tp 4 at 61.5 :D
In any case i didn't quite understand what exactly you ment :)

[JohnH]

Well, you can scrap the plan to move Traverse City to Tp 4 at 61.5. for the time being. Plan 9 From Outer Space moved everything from Tp 28 to Tp 4 at 61.5. :) Tp 28 is in flux now.

Perhaps you would like to read it again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[TNGTony]

Traverse City locals are now at 121 transponder 1. The plans to move "it" to 61.5° transponder 4 appear to have been abandoned. :)

Next thought

All the contents of transponder 28 at 61.5° have moved to transponder 4.

See ya
Tony

[Darkman]

Ahaha - Thanks Tony..

John - after reading what Tony said, what you have said - makes sense now too :D

Their plans are changing like the weather..
I wonder what plans they got now with tp 28.. (hehe - maybe move those locals to it after all, to 61.5 :D

[JohnH]

Their plans are changing like the weather..
I wonder what plans they got now with tp 28.. (hehe - maybe move those locals to it after all, to 61.5 :D

Well Tp 28 ain't there. Maybe dead. :confused:

[James Long]

Plan nine from outer space knows more about what E* is doing than E* does. :D


Hmmm.

JL

[GB42]

FYI:
Just spoke to CSR & asked about locals for Grand Junction.
She said there is no date yet (I could not put in my order) &
she said it will require a SuperDish with a 1 year commitment
with AutoPay. Who knows if she really knows anything though....

So much for getting locals before the Superbowl. I can see that won't be happening. :bang

[TNGTony]

Grand Junction is supposed to become available at 148 on Thursday.

See ya
Tony

[JohnH]

FYI:
Just spoke to CSR & asked about locals for Grand Junction.
She said there is no date yet (I could not put in my order) &
she said it will require a SuperDish with a 1 year commitment
with AutoPay. Who knows if she really knows anything though....

So much for getting locals before the Superbowl. I can see that won't be happening. :bang

Do you think you have a view of 148?

[GB42]

Do you think you have a view of 148?


I have no idea if I do or not. I have big trees on the NNW & the East corners of my house. Other than that I have pretty good line of sight.

[JohnH]

I have no idea if I do or not. I have big trees on the NNW & the East corners of my house. Other than that I have pretty good line of sight.

Seems like you may have a good view. 148 would be to your WSW, but not very high in the sky.

[GB42]

Just a question here then, What would be the most desireble set , two dish setup or the superdish. Or pro's & con's of the two. (I have a Dish 500 & 811)

[JohnH]

Just a question here then, What would be the most desireble set , two dish setup or the superdish. Or pro's & con's of the two. (I have a Dish 500 & 811)

If you really want locals, the 2 dish setup may be the only option and if you qualify for CBS HD you probably could get that with the 2 dish setup. The SuperDISH is not likely to get you either.

[James Long]

Just a question here then, What would be the most desireble set , two dish setup or the superdish. Or pro's & con's of the two. (I have a Dish 500 & 811)
The one that provides the channels. :)

For Grand Junction, that will be two dishes.

JL

[GB42]

If you really want locals, the 2 dish setup may be the only option and if you qualify for CBS HD you probably could get that with the 2 dish setup. The SuperDISH is not likely to get you either.

I wonder why the CSR said I would need the SuperDish for locals??
It is somewhat sad that you cannot depend on E*'s own people to know what is going on. I figured so much but it was just a shot in the dark. I was hoping to get an install scheduled before the Superbowl.

? How do I know if I qual for CBS HD ?

[JohnH]

You have to check with DISH on the CBS HD to find that out. There is a waiver process if you do not outright qualify. Finding a CSR which can handle this might be tricky.

You should wait until the locals are available and then put the pressure on to get them installed. Either dish setup will likely require a commitment if that even still exists. There has been some indication that commitments are a thing of the past. But don't know for sure.

[GB42]

Thanks for all the info.
When I got my 811 they did not ask for any commitment but the regular CSR would not even let me get an 811 (offered me one for $399.) I called the corporate # & she hooked me up for $149 in about 60 seconds. This was back when they first came out.