What's up with the new yellow smart cards?

[tansu]

Just got in mail the new yellow smart cards to replace the old blue cards.
I haven't read anything here about it. What's up?

[Kagato]

Dish is updating security. If you're a subscriber it most likely won't matter. If you're stealing the service you're going to get cut off for a while though. If you have any older hardware you don't have on account anymore I'd sell it now while you can. My guess is you'll have to pay the replacement smartcard fee to reactivate.

[Bill R]

Some additional information on the new cards: Not everyone will be getting new yellow cards. Some of the newer receivers no longer require cards and other (newer) receivers already have cards that are "more secure". It will take quite a while (months) for all the new cards to be distributed and once everyone has them there is going to be some changes (to the datastream) that will make DISH's systems MUCH more secure (current methods used to hack the system will no longer work).

[Mark Holtz]

Hopefully, when they shut off the stream, all that the pirates will see is the shopping, religious, and barker channels, with the rest of the channels mapped to those channels. !Devil_lol

[Darkman]

hehe - maybe they ll do pirates a favor - get them off their computers and TVs and off they go to some real world to get some real life, etc :D

Cuz it's definatly not too healthy to be too much addicted to this "hobby" and lead those kind of lifes as some do...

[Tyralak]

Hopefully, when they shut off the stream, all that the pirates will see is the shopping, religious, and barker channels, with the rest of the channels mapped to those channels. !Devil_lol


Oh, you ARE a devious bugger, aren't you? Seems an appropriate punishment for pirates to me.

[Capmeister]

I think one or two of mine have yellow cards. I want the new yellow cards for the others!!! :-)

I hate hackers who steal the service and then make my bill higher. FEH!

[stonecold]

I like BillR reply

and I qoute a couple of months end qoute.


You and echostar wish it would take only a couple of months.

Fact of the matter is that the card swap is going to take a couple of years to complete.
They are moving slower than do poo. DTV swaping out cards at a amazingly fast past with the p4 swap taking in the old p3 cards aka football card aka hu card.

it going to take them a like two years before the are supposely get the card swap done and shut down the Nagravision 1 stream and only be broadcasting inthe Nagravision 2 stream.

Capmeister,
that is why the Kudelski Group (the people who own Nagravision) and Echostar have form a newly joint venture company called NagraStar All about making the hacker proof card which there is no such thing as everything gets hacked eventually.

[BobJ2004]

Maybe once all the Hackers for both systems get cut off they will start paying and then everyones rates will go down.

[Jacob S]

There is no such thing as a hacker proof card that will never get hacked eventually. It would just be a matter of time. Anything that is manmade can be broken. That does not mean that it would take years to break, or that a new type of receiver/hardware would come out before or by the time new hardware would be needed anyways in which would include an even more up to date encryption system.

[ehren]

People who steal service are partly to blame, it's the greedy ******* programmers who jack up rates and DBS and Cable take it in the ass.

[crest]

Thanks, Ehren! This is the truth why our bills are continuing to go up. It isn't Charlie's or Eddy's greed; (satellite was created as the rebel to be ANTI-greed), it's the broadcasters who own the individual channels who are the greed monsters and want more and more money for the "priviledge" of providing their programming to us. Believe me, both Dish and Direc are pulling strings to get us our programming at an affordable price. For this I am thankful to both providers.

[Tyralak]

I like BillR reply

and I qoute a couple of months end qoute.


You and echostar wish it would take only a couple of months.

Fact of the matter is that the card swap is going to take a couple of years to complete.
They are moving slower than do poo. DTV swaping out cards at a amazingly fast past with the p4 swap taking in the old p3 cards aka football card aka hu card.

it going to take them a like two years before the are supposely get the card swap done and shut down the Nagravision 1 stream and only be broadcasting inthe Nagravision 2 stream.

Capmeister,
that is why the Kudelski Group (the people who own Nagravision) and Echostar have form a newly joint venture company called NagraStar All about making the hacker proof card which there is no such thing as everything gets hacked eventually.

1. There's no such thing as a hacker proof ANYTHING.

2. Why bother with cards to begin with? My new 522, and all the other new recievers have the access module built into the firmware. That's a b**ch to crack. Not impossible, but a lot safer thsan using cards. D* is starting to do the same thing. I never understood the whole card thing anyway. It's just asking for trouble.

[stickyfingers]

Maybe once all the Hackers for both systems get cut off they will start paying and then everyones rates will go down.Hackers don't "cost" D* or E* anything. 99% of them simply decode signals that E* (or D*) are already beaming into their homes and would not buy the programming otherwise. I'm no advocate of hacking, but the "losses" some companies ascribe to hackers are totally laughable.

Brian (who will take a rate reduction anyway they'd like to give it...)

[JM Anthony]

Hackers don't "cost" D* or E* anything. 99% of them simply decode signals that E* (or D*) are already beaming into their homes and would not buy the programming otherwise. I'm no advocate of hacking, but the "losses" some companies ascribe to hackers are totally laughable.

Brian (who will take a rate reduction anyway they'd like to give it...)

While I agree that the losses are inflated, I disagree that there's no loss. Your arguement would make Napster legal and I don't buy that (pun intended). I also disagree with those who argue that hackers who don't damage the systems they hack into haven't broken any laws or done any damage.

[Mike123abc]

The losses due to hacking are probably over stated, but if it gets too easy to hack even more honest people will start to watch for free. It could destroy a company if it got way out of hand. The DBS companies have to keep hacking down as much as possible so that honest people will stay honest.

[mindwarp]

And does this changes includes the 7200 receivers???

[Richard King]

form a newly joint venture company called NagraStarNagrastar isn't new. It is a joint venture between Nagra and Echostar and has been around since day one of Echostar.

[stonecold]

1. There's no such thing as a hacker proof ANYTHING.

2. Why bother with cards to begin with? My new 522, and all the other new recievers have the access module built into the firmware. That's a b**ch to crack. Not impossible, but a lot safer thsan using cards. D* is starting to do the same thing. I never understood the whole card thing anyway. It's just asking for trouble.


1. if you had read my last line of my line of my post everything gets hacked eventually.

2. Hackers have already found out a way of reactivating the regular card slot and bypassing the embeeded chip. simple put it is a simple string in the ird firmware. they dump the firmware to the computer use a hex editor alter one line of code and flash the firmware back to the tsop chip. trick is that now that they got the internal card slot working again is finding the necessary modificatsion to use the nagravision1 based cards aka the blue cards.

Dont think DTV has it any better also the HU card use to stand for Hack Unvailable as the old joke goes by as it was just a week before the H card stream completely went down before the hack was out. Expect the same for for the P4.

Not to get to in to the whole hacker thing but. The Nipper backdoor login method used to gain access to dish network cards well alot like a memory buffer overrun. making the card confused and allowed entry into via a software program.

The interesting thing is about it is that NDS ( a news corp company) (maker of Direct TV access cards) was supposely according to very trusted people in the hacking community actually show them how to break in to Nagravision cards. Supposely they did it to another access provider Canal Plus or something wierd name who cam (conditional access modules) were and still are used in europe and an asia. There was a court case about it here in the states about it but I have never seen a conclusion to it as the findings were sealed.

just because it is embeed that the end all for hackers well sorry. already defeated it did not blink an eye.

Starchoice - A canadian provider that hardware mimics old Primestar hardware uses embeded cams and that is been compermised.

That is why dish had the brains to put a card slot in even though the cam is emmbeded as they know that eventaully some one will figure how to alter the embeeded chip or crack the yellow cards and the recivers is compermised.

[Mark Holtz]

It is impossible to make a hacker-proof card. It is possible to make it hacker resistant card where the cost, in both time and money, outweigh the benefits of free TeeVee.

[James Long]

Hackers don't "cost" D* or E* anything. 99% of them simply decode signals that E* (or D*) are already beaming into their homes and would not buy the programming otherwise.
It depends on how you define "hackers". The initial definition was for people who broke into systems and looked around. No damage, except for possibly opening backdoors to make it easier to get in again. The loss came if they found information that was confidential and shared it. Satellite hackers in this vein would be able to come up with the level of information shared on Lyngsat and other open websites.

Crackers were the nasty ones. When they broke in they worked to destroy systems. Deleting data and causing damage. A bit hard to do in a satellite receive environment. But it could extend to breaking encryptions so people can get programs for free. I don't know what you do for a living, but how would you like someone to take what you get paid for for free?

I don't agree with your claim that 99% wouldn't subscribe. Do you think they pick programs to watch that they don't want to see? It's like saying Napster users wouldn't listen to music if they couldn't get it for free. The loss comes from the people who are not paying someone for the service. Not just people who don't subscribe to satellite, but people who don't subscribe to cable, or don't rent more movies, or watch local TV commercials.

The originators of that programming are being paid per potential viewer. Whether they are paid via a cable provider or satellite, those that steal are not included in the count and the program originators don't get paid. They still want a certain bottom line - it is divided amongst those who do pay. (Not an exact "give us 10 million a month and divide it amongst your viewers" but close enough.) Plus the company the cracker is stealing from has to pay the cost of preventing others from stealing.

JL