921 for sale in the Los Angeles area or shipped for $1250

[smooth28la]

I have a spare 921 that I'd like to sell. It's been slightly used but have all the box, manual and cables that come with it.

I'm in Los Angeles area and will ship it anywhere using Fedex ground with insurance. If you're local, take $25 off !

I can take Paypal (with 3% fee) or cash (if personal pickup)

Please email me at jason@linkline.com

Thanks!

[Bob Haller]

:) I should buy this just to complain about its troubles:)

I am joking I want the D Direct tivo high def box but can you imagine the responjse if I biought this:(

Good luck with your sale!!!

[jgoggan]

I can take Paypal (with 3% fee) or cash (if personal pickup)

Just so you are aware -- that statement is against PayPal's User Agreement. You cannot charge people more for using it. They have a policy similar to credit card merchant agreements: You can't pass that fee along to the buyer. Just FYI -- since here, someone nice will just tell you -- but if you did it on EBay, for example, someone would report it to PayPal and they'd send you a nastygram. :)

- John...

[Jacob S]

Can you say that there is a 3% discount if you do not use Paypal or would that really be considered the same thing?

[jgoggan]

I think they don't allow that either. But, there is probably some way around it. For credit cards, I believe you can say that you give a discount as long as you do it for all other payments types or something odd like that. I really don't know for certain. I just know that people have had trouble before when adding on a PayPal fee. I'm not sure on the wording specifics...

- John...

[longshot]

Paypal cannont control what i charge a user for anything, If I sell somthing and say add 3% for using paypal they cannot do anything about it. I can charge 3% for the inconvience for me of having to have a bank accnt attached to paypal to receive my funds or anything i want to justify the 3% charge.

LonG

[jgoggan]

Paypal cannont control what i charge a user for anything, If I sell somthing and say add 3% for using paypal they cannot do anything about it.

Um, they can terminate your account for violating their terms of service.

You are correct: they can't "make" you not advertise that way. But they certainly can do "something" about it -- they can remove you from their system. They have full rights to do so.

I can charge 3% for the inconvience for me of having to have a bank accnt attached to paypal to receive my funds or anything i want to justify the 3% charge.

You can -- it is a free country. But if you think you can do it and they can't suspend your account, then you are sadly mistaken.

Whatever. I was just trying to warn him nicely. Forget it if you don't give a care.

- John...

[longshot]

what i was trying to say was they cant prove you are adding the 3% to cover the paypal fee's. You could state the 3% is an inconvience charge of using paypal.

It's really a moot point anyway they dont even adhere to there own policys so why would anyone else. I followed there seller rules to a T and still got a charge back for $500 and what could i do about it? nothing!

Paypal sucks and dont use it for any amount over $50.

LonG

[jgoggan]

what i was trying to say was they cant prove you are adding the 3% to cover the paypal fee's. You could state the 3% is an inconvience charge of using paypal.

1. They could "prove" it fairly easily if someone is publicly announcing it here or on Ebay. As I said, it happens to people on EBay on a regular basis. They get warning letters from PayPal for doing exactly what this guy did. I was just warning him.

2. Calling it an "inconvience charge" wouldn't help any. It isn't that you can't say it is to cover the fees -- it is that you can't say that you are charging more for using PayPal. Period.

It's really a moot point anyway they dont even adhere to there own policys so why would anyone else.

Blah, blah. This is a straw-man argument. It has nothing to do with the situation. The fact that you think that you've been cheated because of some chargeback via PayPal does not make breaking their TOS and possible having your account suspended any different.

Paypal sucks and dont use it for any amount over $50.

Again, I really don't see how this relates. Obviously, the seller wants to use PayPal for over $50 since we're talking about a $1250 item. Personally, I use PayPal all the time -- have received several payments over $1000 in the past -- and commonly have a large balance there. Then again, I actually READ the TOS and understand it -- so I know how to use it properly.

It is not that difficult to avoid chargebacks if you do things properly. Sorry you had problems, but it just doesn't relate to breaking the TOS as we were discussing here...

- John...

[Forceten]

As a merchant that takes credit cards - the rules are this. You can't tell people using their credit card costs more then using cash or check. But the way around it is you can set a base price and give a discount for cash/checks. As long as the base price is say $1000 but if you pay using cash I will make it $950 with a $50 discount.

No credit card company can say anything. I would assume paypal is like a regular merchant?

[jgoggan]

As a merchant that takes credit cards - the rules are this. You can't tell people using their credit card costs more then using cash or check. But the way around it is you can set a base price and give a discount for cash/checks. As long as the base price is say $1000 but if you pay using cash I will make it $950 with a $50 discount.

From my reading of most merchant agreements -- that is incorrect. You MAY have a discount for cash -- provided that any discounts for ANY other payments is the same for credit cards. Therefore, "checks" would not be discountable. You can't say that something is $1000, but only $950 if they pay with cash or check. You CAN say that something is $1000, but only $950 if they pay with cash. "Cash" -- and they really mean physical cash -- is a specific exception in the merchant agreement.

You'd have to charge the same amount for checks as you did for a credit card. No "discount" is allowed.

Note that, in most states, this is just a violation of the merchant agreement and can get your merchant account suspended and such. However, in SOME states (including California for certain and I also believe Nevada and a few others), state LAW actually disallows extra fees for using a credit card and/or discounts for anything except cash. In those states, it is a crime to have a credit card surcharge -- not just a merchant agreement violation.

No credit card company can say anything. I would assume paypal is like a regular merchant?

I'm not sure. My guess would be that this is the same: you may offer a discount for CASH only -- provided that ALL other forms of payment are treated the same. Therefore, you can't say that there is a "discount for cash" and then accept a check for that discounted amount. You may not get caught, of course -- but it is still against the agreement -- and even illegal in some states.

- John...