New House wiring for Dish and DVD player if possible

[voyagerbob]

I am having a new house built. I currently have 2 dish PVRs (501 & 510) and a 6000 HD receiver. I have a dish 500 and dish 300 for dish network (with an SW64 switch) and a dish 300 that I use for Expressvu. I will definately NOT be adding another receiver to my setup. I am going to put the 510, 6000, and expressvu in the living room downstairs and run a signal from there to the bedroom. I have no problem setting this up.

My question is about the upstairs. I am only going to have the one 501 upstairs along with a dvd player and Nintendo system in the loft. I would like to be able to view the 501 signal and the DVD signal in all of the other upstairs bedrooms. I know I can run the signal from the 501 to the other rooms without any problems by using the coax cable. I would also like to be able to do this with the DVD player.

My ideal setup would allow for the loft TV to be viewing the Nintendo and for the DVD signal to be watched in one of the bedrooms and the 501 signal in another bedroom. Anyone have any suggestions that will allow for this for under say 200 bucks (or cheaper of course). But it definately has to be under $500. I have included the floor plan for the upstairs if it would help. Let me know if anyone has any suggestions. Each room is already wired with one CAT 5 outlet and one RG-6 outlet that come standard.


Thanks again for any help anyone can offer

[SSW_Exposure]

All of the RG-6 runs should already end in one central location (your distribution point).

I’ll try to take this one step at a time, and for the upstairs only.

1. The coax from the dish/switch that needs to go to the 501, should be routed to the distribution point. You would use a diplexer, connecting the coax from the dish/switch to the ‘SAT’ input/output (‘port’). And the coax running to the loft to the ‘common’ ‘port’.

2. In the loft: the coax would go to the ‘common’ ‘port’ of another diplexer. Then a short piece of coax from that diplexer’s SAT ‘port’, to the SAT IN on the 501.

This will complete getting the SAT signal from the dish to the 501 (with one open port on each diplexer for now.

Now this part depends on what types and how many inputs the loft TV has.
I’ll guess (just a guess) that you have at least 2 sets of A/V inputs and 1 RF.

3. In any case you will need a ‘RF modulator’ (this will output an RF signal on UHF, like Ch 70) hooked to the A/V outputs on your DVD. You may need to split the A/V signals to go to both the loft TV and the modulator.

4. The A/V outputs from the 501 would go to another A/V input on the loft TV.

5. The RF outputs from the 501(CH 3) and the modulator (CH~70). Need to be combined, with a UHF/VHF splitter (combiner), or just a normal splitter.

6. Now these combined signals need to be connected to the ANT ‘port’ on the loft diplexer. (This will send CH 3 & ~70 ‘back down’ the same coax that the SAT signal ‘came up’ on.

7. Now back to the distribution point: The ANT ‘port’ on this diplexer can now be split to the other upstairs TVs.

How you work out the part behind the loft TV, and the game depended on what that TV is capable of. You may wish to get a dual modulator and output both the DVD and 501 on UHF (say Ch 70 & 72).

[voyagerbob]

SSW_Exposure,

Thanks for your help. It was exactly the information I was looking for.

Here are a couple more questions if you have time. The first, is it possible to have 3 different modulators (DVD, 501, 510) and an antenna signal coming into the bedrooms on one wire? Or is that to much? I think there are 10-13 local stations in our area. I’m sure I will need to have an amplifier in there somewhere. Also is this a good modulator as far as you know?

http://www.buy.com/retail/electronics/product.asp?loc=692&sku=90120322&wl=1

I am having 8 leads (2 each for 110, 119, and two of these 61.5, 91, 105,121, or 148) ran from where the dishs are going to be (where-ever that is, my house faces to the south and a little to the west) to the distribution point which I plan to have in the Garage on the wall near the water heater. I may also have an Installer come and run the wires from the Dish to the Distribution point in the garage if the builder wants to much money.

My next question is about pre-wiring for 6.1 surround sound in the living room. Is it better to have the speakers in the wall, in the ceiling, mounted to the wall, just on the floor with exposed wires, or some combination? Also where is it best to place them? The TV is a 60 Inch Rear Projection. I am putting it on the wall next to the kitchen and the couch will be on the wall where the big window is in the living room. (floorplan is on prior post)

I’m heading to my pre-construction meeting in a few weeks and want to let them know where to place the pre-wires and what gauge of wire to use.

I plan to have the outside patio supplied with speaker pre-wires as well. Any thoughts on that would also be appreciated. I’m wondering how you hook the extra speakers outside to the receiver in the living room if the other speakers are already hooked into the system. Is it possible to split a speaker wire without messing with the quality? I have no clue on that.

Thanks once again for any help anyone can offer. It is much appreciated.

[SSW_Exposure]

... is it possible to have 3 different modulators (DVD, 501, 510) and an antenna signal coming into the bedrooms on one wire? Or is that to much? I think there are 10-13 local stations in our area. I’m sure I will need to have an amplifier in there somewhere.

Yes, you can combine Several modulated channels with OTA or cable from the distribution point to remote TVs. I use modulated signals from 2 RCVRs, 2 DVDs, a VCR, 3 outdoor cameras, and the TV out from a PC.
Things you need to consider here:
With OTA - Some of your OTA channels are probably UHF (?), and the modulated channels ~54 = UHF CH ~14 (I don't have a chart handy). So you need to skip at least 1 channel (2 is nice) from an OTA UHF channel from its related modulated channel.
With Cable - Some cable systems use the 'upper UHF' channels for digital and will interfere with modulated channels unless you and a low-pass filter to the cable input.
With Either -- It is best to modulate ALL signals from RCVRs to remote TVs. Most OTA and cable include a channel from 2-5, so the channel 3/4 output from an IRD will interfere with these.





......Also is this a good modulator as far as you know?

http://www.buy.com/retail/electronics/product.asp?loc=692&sku=90120322&wl=1I have not used this exact unit. But it seems to have the listed features you should look for:
Digital selectable cable channels 54-94 & 100-125
Digital PLL tuning eliminates channel drift
Digital selectable LED channel displays
Retains full channel memory for power outages
The A/V loop through is nice, in that it will eliminate the need for an A/V splitter if your 'output unit' does not have dual A/V outputs.



......I am having 8 leads (2 each for 110, 119, and two of these 61.5, 91, 105,121, or 148) ran from where the dishs are going to be (where-ever that is, my house faces to the south and a little to the west) to the distribution point which I plan to have in the Garage on the wall near the water heater. I may also have an Installer come and run the wires from the Dish to the Distribution point in the garage if the builder wants to much money.

I'll refer E* dish(s)/RCVR needs to someone who works more with these specifics.
But if the house is not built/wired yet. I would have 3(4) RG-6 runs to any place you may ever want a RCVR or other unit that would need to be distributed through the system.
1 - Sat Sig IN
2 - 2nd SAT Sig IN (for dual tuner/other?)
3 - OTA IN
4 - Modulated Sigs back to distribution.
Although diplexers are 'quite reliable' the do occasionally fail and can be 'semi complicated troubleshoot. (One piece of coax will replace 2 diplexers)
I also like to use conduit (at least to a 'Media Center') to aid in any future needs. But if not correctly run and sized, can be a waste of time and money (time is money too).

I'll also pass on any audio advice