The Mystery of The Dark 811: Uncovered

[gpflepsen]

http://www.dbstalk.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1706&stc=1

:group: Gather 'round for undeniable proof of the 811's darkness. Wrapped in a shroud of secrecy by Dish Network, this receiver continues to purport cutting edge picture quality. But wait...

After eagle-eyed Internet users began to grumble of a dark picture, and shrugging off excuses that the display's calibration is at fault, The Daily Planet's Jimmy Olsen has uncovered undeniable proof of the 811's slip to the dark side.

Wow yourself with the clarity in which this will move you. Young kids and women should be forewarned and prepared for the shock :eek2: of your life, as a few have succumbed to the Vapors.

The proof... :eek2: Witness Luke Black, Echostar's Vice President of Clandestine Hardware Development :coolglass testifying before the Special FCC Commission on Low Fidelity. Mr. Black was heard making a plea for eliminating the bottom 25% of the gray-scale in broadcast television. By eliminating the lower levels of grey-scale and replacing them with a generic "black", 25% more bandwidth could be freed up for consumer driven programming; such as Third World's Everything Pack, and interactive "Pin the tail on Barney" baby sitting service. Black also noted the carriage agreement with Nepal's four major HD services could be implemented immediately if such measures in spectrum reduction were adopted. :nono2:

811 composite is on the left, 510 composite is on the right.

http://www.dbstalk.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1708&stc=1

:)

[DarrellP]

So what's wrong with the 811? It looks good, the 510 looks washed out.

[gpflepsen]

So what's wrong with the 811? It looks good, the 510 looks washed out.


The input has been calibrated to try to compensate for the 811, hence the 510 is now washed out on the same settings. Notice there is still no detail in the dark areas of the 811? You can see how bluish the boarder is, which should be black.

[jgoggan]

Indeed -- just for reference, I think a better picture would be one where the 510 looks correct and then the 811 would be much more obviously too dark. As it is in those pics, it does indeed look like the 811 is fine and the 510 is washed out -- because of the compensation you did for the 811.

Also, if I were doing it, I'd do that picture and then swap the inputs and take the exact same picture -- to show that the darkness obviously moves with the 811 and isn't input related.

All that being said, I'm not sure that there was much question about the SD outputs being dark on the 811, right? Most seem to agree that is the case. Or is this more to prove it to Dish? :) Email them in to the CEO address! :)

- John...

[Ron Barry]

jgoggan,

I had the same thought. I thought this was a joke and was not going to bite. ;) I don't see any mystery uncovered expect stating fact that Dish is aware of. The area I am concerned about is on the DVI and Component. It is with those inputs that there is some disagreement and Dish might feel that there is not an issue there. Thought better than the Svideo/composite, there is still room for improvement.

I hope Dish understands that... I don't see any Mystery uncovered at all.

The true mystery is when will 2.66 be out. :D

[gpflepsen]

Guys, the mystery is the reason for the lack of black detail, and that being the implementation of the policy to broadcast black for the lower 25% of the greyscale. This frees up bandwidth for World Domination in the American DBS market. :D

[Ron Barry]

Well if this was the case, you would also see it on th 921 and why stop with only HD. Why not do it on all the SD channels. ;)

[gpflepsen]

Well if this was the case, you would also see it on th 921 and why stop with only HD. Why not do it on all the SD channels. ;)

The 811 is the test-bed for the new technology. The 811 actually tunes in altered simulcasts of the other E* line-up.

[garypen]

In the case of the 811, it is on all channels (through the DVI output, that is.)

[Ron Barry]

The point I was making that if the 811 crushed blacks was due to cutting off the lower blacks then this would not just be happening with the 811 it would be accross the board. The 811 crushed black issue is box specific and has nothing to do with upstream content. This is my opinion not stating fact here. And I agree Gary that it is accross the board, however, it is more apperant on SD and on certain content as I see it.

[gpflepsen]

The point I was making that if the 811 crushed blacks was due to cutting off the lower blacks...

Just to be clear here, this was a joke. The picture isn't. ;) The jury is still out on how funny the 811 is.

[Ron Barry]

Just to be clear here, this was a joke. The picture isn't. ;) The jury is still out on how funny the 811 is.

Well that is what I said earlier. I thought it was and therefore did not jump into until the thread started rolling. ;)

[Nick]

Just to be clear here, this was a joke. The picture isn't. ;) The jury is still out on how funny the 811 is.No, the jury is out on whether your so-called 'joke' was funny or not. As a member of the jury, I vote 'Not!'.

If this is your idea of a joke, don't waste your time - or ours.

:confused:

[DarrellP]

OT; Nice load of money, Nick. :lol:

[garypen]

Just to be clear here, this was a joke. The picture isn't. ;) The jury is still out on how funny the 811 is.
Gerry - It most certainly was a witty, satirical take on a serious issue. People with an actual sense of humor and a reasonable amount of intelligence were able to seperate the parody from the reality.

For those that didn't, I would highly recommend seeing a doctor to surgically remove those bugs from your arses.

[gpflepsen]

Nick, I suppose you think "The Onion" is real too? Does your humor generaly start off with "Knock knock..." or "How many (blank blank) does it take to..."? If so, that's a stale way to live life.

[garypen]

How many Dish execs does it take to add HD programming?

[gpflepsen]

How many Dish execs does it take to add HD programming?

Infinity, or none. I don't know where the limit of 1/x goes as x-->0 in the E* world, and if they use i in their computations, though I suspect they do.

[snathanb]

How many Dish execs does it take to add HD programming?

None ---that's Voom's job.

[jgoggan]

haha! Good one!

- John...

[garypen]

How many Dish execs does it take to add HD programming?
The correct answer is...

There is no compelling HD at this time. But, we're the HD leader! I swear! Really! No sh*t! Did I ever lie to you before about programming or hardware?