KDVR waiver

[jmf8]

I received a waiver for KDVR (Fox Denver) and for KTTV (Fox LA) about 9 months ago. I realized last night that I don't get KDVR anymore. I called E* and they told me that KDVR was not available in my area anymore (DC area). They couldn't tell me anymore information. Does anyone know anything about this? Will I eventually lose my Fox LA waiver also? Why did I lose KDVR?

[ehren]

I heard Denver is not gonna be part of the Distants anymore which sucks!

[TNGTony]

The distant network station available nationwide on Dish are now from the following 4 cities:

New York
Atlanta
Chicago
Los Angeles

Distant networks are available from the following cities ONLY if you are within that city's spot beam:

Denver
Kansas City
Portland, Or
Dallas

See ya
Tony

[DJ Rob]

The distant network station available nationwide on Dish are now from the following 4 cities:

New York
Atlanta
Chicago
Los Angeles

Distant networks are available from the following cities ONLY if you are within that city's spot beam:

Denver
Kansas City
Portland, Or
Dallas

See ya
Tony

Has Denver been moved to a spot beam? I have a friend that still gets them in Eastern California. Maybe not for long, huh?

[TonyM]

I lost my Denver about 2 months ago...They aren't on spoptbeam yet. But as of 3/1, new customers couldnt get Denver as a distant

[TNGTony]

Tony is correct. The same thing is true for Dallas. These cities will be moved to Spot Beams as soon as E*10 is operational, maybe sooner :).

See ya
Tony

[SimpleSimon]

Yes, it's the end of an era. The Denver 5 were the first publicly available "local" stations on satellite.

[Link]

They have the satellite space, they should keep Denver available to all customers as well as New York, Chicago and LA so all 4 time zones are covered.

[homeskillet]

I live 165 miles west of Kansas City and I get Denver locals still. They haven't gone away, but I do get Kansas City locals and Topeka locals and FOX from Atlanta.

Now, not all my recievers have this. I have this 301-10 that seems to never delete programming after I call DISH and cancel it (reason I get Denver and Kansas City still) so I expect that when my yellow card comes that is it for those channels. I also still get the Sports Pack.

[SimpleSimon]

They have the satellite space, they should keep Denver available to all customers as well as New York, Chicago and LA so all 4 time zones are covered.
Actually, they DON'T have the satellite space, and the Denver 5 is almost one HD channel's worth of bandwidth.

[James Long]

Actually, they DON'T have the satellite space, and the Denver 5 is almost one HD channel's worth of bandwidth.
With four on 110 and one on 119 ... perhaps when they move to the Denver SpotBeam E* will move TVGC to 119 and make it available to more customers? :D

Quality content like TVGC shouldn't be tucked away on 110. :lol:

JL

[nick80]

how are you guys getting more than one local, i thought dish will only sell you the local that is in your area, and if there is not one, then they can sell you a distant. Thats how I thought it worked.

[TNGTony]

Welcome Nick.

The way the law reads now, you can get "your" local channels (see http://ekb.dbstalk.com/TVMarkets) if they are available. No qualification is necessary other than you live inside the TV market of the local station.

You can distant NETWORK channels (ABC/CBS/NCB/Fox) If you live outside the predicted grade B signal area of any station affiliated with each network (regardless of where it is). By law, you can have up to two channels of EACH network from a distant source plus your own local network for a total of three.

The qualifications for "locals" and "distants" are completely independent of each other so some people may qualify for both. Some may qualify for neither. It all depends.

PBS has a contract with Dish for the national channel that doesn't allow anyone with access to a local PBS station to get the PBS National channel.

WB and UPN are not considered networks by the FCC and do not fall under the "distant network" rule. However, the 5 remaining "true" FCC Defined superstations (WSBK, WPIX, WWOR, KWGN and KTLA) are affiliated with WB and UPN. The rule on eligibility for these is completely different. As long as a local station with the same programming as a superstation doesn't ask that the programming be blocked, it can be sold to customers. If a local station that airs, say Oprah, tells dish that they cannot import Oprah into the station's Territory, Dish has to block Oprah out in that area by law. With 210 markets and 1600 TV stations, Dish is taking the approach that if there are black-out requests in any one area for programming, it will not sell the entire channel in that area rather than fiddle with blacking out individual programming. Dish offers the 5 superstations in a separate package or individually. They are only advertized in the "locals qualification" page.

Hope this helps add to---errrr----clears up the confusion.

[RMMRPh]

So let me make sure I understand correctly, if I do not live within the area expected to be able to receive the signal via antenna, say FOX, I would be eligible for all distant networks ABC/NBC/CBS/Fox? And if I am correct, what kind of blackout restrictions are there?

[TNGTony]

No. If you live in an area where no Fox affiliated station can provide a grade B signal, you qualify for up to two distant Fox network stations PLUS the Fox station in your TV Market (http://ekb.dbstalk.com/TVMarkets). There are no black-out restrictions either.

You need to qualify for each network individually (ABC, CBS, Fox and NBC)

PBS has contracts with the two DBS carriers and the qualification for the PBS national channel is simply, if you can get a PBS local station via DBS, you cannot get the national channel.

UPN and WB are not networks under the FCC rules. Technically there is no distant UPN or WB available. However the Superstations Clause (another part of the law) allows 6 stations to be used nationally (now 5) These just happen to be UPN and WB affiliates.

Remember that this law is going to change at the end of THIS year. The SHVIA expires at the end of the year. Congress is currently working on the Renewal and "Enhancement" of the SHVIA. I think it's the SHVIREA.

See ya
Tony

[JohnH]

Yes, it's the end of an era. The Denver 5 were the first publicly available "local" stations on satellite.

They are still where they were in the beginning, on C band. :)

[ehren]

John did they replace the satellite that the Denver 5 is on? I used to get crap reception back when SSN and Sportschannel were afloat.

[JohnH]

ehren, it is AMC 7 now. I don't remember what it replaced a few years ago.

[SimpleSimon]

ehren: "back in th day", that is, when I was doing BUDs, the Denver 5 was on a bird with an ID of F1 or C1 depending on the vintage of receiver. It was way over on the west end of the sky at 137 where AMC-7 is now. I assume AMC-7 replaced Satcom-C1.