Shorted receiver doing JY fix please help.

[w12plai]

I know, I know, I am an idiot. I dropped the paper clip during junkyard fix. Fuse blew. I dropped it around the power supply. I think it will still work, but everytime I add a new fuse, it blows again as soon as I plug it up. The paper clip is now gone. Does anyone have any suggestions as to what I should be looking for, or how I might fix this? Does anyone have a new receiver for sale for that matter? Any help is greatly appreciated. Thank you.

[Darkman]

haha..
this is "no hack" forum dude...
(non Hack talk is allowed around here...)

[Bob Haller]

you probably fried the rectifier. which box do you currently have?

[Nick]

Well, I'm not a hacker, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night...

Having worked on a ton of electronic gear in my time, I have never used a paper clip for anything other than reaching a reset or accessing the manual release on a removeable laptop drive. I know better. Consider this a lesson learned.

I think the dude got what he deserved. I find his self-inflicted dilemma somewhat amusing. Apparently, there is no cable to steal on his side of the mountain. :shrug:

Dude, why not just pay for your sat tv like the rest of us do? :confused:

[Mark Lamutt]

This is the guy that was trying to "hack" his 3800 that has been out of the stream for too long to take new software.

I suspected something like this would happen. Sounds like you are SOL. Time to buy a new receiver.

[Scott Greczkowski]

He posted the same thing over at SatelliteGuys, And basically he was trying to hack the receiver by applying the Junkyard fix.

Guess the only fix for that receiver now is to send it to the Junkyard. :lol: :hurah: :grin:

[n0qcu]

Now he knows why its called "Junkyard" fix.

[boba]

Gee don't we all feel sorry for him? NOT!!!

[Mickdog]

He should consider himself bitten! Grhhhh, woof, woof, woof!!!! :hurah: :lol: :nono: :eek2: :nono2:

[stonecold]

Before you go jumping down his throat.... His story at least here was that he had dish went to dtv and now back with dish but he reciver software was so old he could not activate it nore could he get the reciever to take him . I pm him and told him he could use a piece of wire to at two solder points to corrupt the firmware and force the unit to update. I have done this before on old recivers that wre still NIB (new in box)

now is he trying to hack maybe i dont know.

They call it the junkyard fix because if you do it enough you just kill your box. basicly long story short your shorting out the board at one spot affect a certian IC chip that holds the firmware.

[w12plai]

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[w12plai]

Scott,


I have a serious problem with your assumption. I have no reason to lie, and I am being completely honest here. I had DN in 2001. It didnt have League Pass. I cancelled. I moved to DTV until 2003, then went to cable because hdtv was cheaper. In March I got the full cable package(guess I hacked that) which was 145 a month with cable modem. IT was too high for that many channels of hd (like 8). The last 3 months I have had basic cable like 29 channels. This past weekend, I decided that I wanted to watch the wire on HBO since I had heard so much about it. I pull out a friends 2800 he had just swapped out and my old 3800. I put the old dish up, connecte the 2800 in one room, and the 3800 in another room. I test the dish 500 and the switch. The 2800 has newer information on it than the 3800 and gave good signal on all channels. The 3800 tells me that there is a problem with 119 odd, however it gets signal. Okay, I do research and post in many forums, and hear that the 3800 firmware needs to be updated. Cool. They tell me what to do, set the receiver to receive updates automatically, and turn it off. I do this, and leave it off overnight. I come back...same problem. I post again, and I hear about a JY fix. JY will supposedly force the receiver to update to 3900. I try this and drop the paperclip in the device. Oh yeah, did I mention that yesterday I emailed dish network tech support and requested help. They asked for my old phone #, and my old account information which I have since sent back to them, and I am awaiting a response. Why would I email dish network. I mean cmon. I wanted satellite right then. When I originally hooke the thing up in 2001 I called at 1 a.m. and subscribed, I figured I could do the same last weekend. Now I am stuck with a fried receiver. When they email back, I am going to ask them to at least activate the 2800, and request new equipment for the fried 3900 which I will have to pay for. Thanks to all for wishing that on me and saying I got what I deserved. I have watched 0 tv thus far. You would think if I would have hacked then at least the 2800 would work. I dont know anybody who does it, and I certainly don't have the equipment. I just watned a little help. Thanks.

[w12plai]

I didnt even know that.

[Mickdog]

Scott,


I have a serious problem with your assumption. I have no reason to lie, and I am being completely honest here. I had DN in 2001. It didnt have League Pass. I cancelled. I moved to DTV until 2003, then went to cable because hdtv was cheaper. In March I got the full cable package(guess I hacked that) which was 145 a month with cable modem. IT was too high for that many channels of hd (like 8). The last 3 months I have had basic cable like 29 channels. This past weekend, I decided that I wanted to watch the wire on HBO since I had heard so much about it. I pull out a friends 2800 he had just swapped out and my old 3800. I put the old dish up, connecte the 2800 in one room, and the 3800 in another room. I test the dish 500 and the switch. The 2800 has newer information on it than the 3800 and gave good signal on all channels. The 3800 tells me that there is a problem with 119 odd, however it gets signal. Okay, I do research and post in many forums, and hear that the 3800 firmware needs to be updated. Cool. They tell me what to do, set the receiver to receive updates automatically, and turn it off. I do this, and leave it off overnight. I come back...same problem. I post again, and I hear about a JY fix. JY will supposedly force the receiver to update to 3900. I try this and drop the paperclip in the device. Oh yeah, did I mention that yesterday I emailed dish network tech support and requested help. They asked for my old phone #, and my old account information which I have since sent back to them, and I am awaiting a response. Why would I email dish network. I mean cmon. I wanted satellite right then. When I originally hooke the thing up in 2001 I called at 1 a.m. and subscribed, I figured I could do the same last weekend. Now I am stuck with a fried receiver. When they email back, I am going to ask them to at least activate the 2800, and request new equipment for the fried 3900 which I will have to pay for. Thanks to all for wishing that on me and saying I got what I deserved. I have watched 0 tv thus far. You would think if I would have hacked then at least the 2800 would work. I dont know anybody who does it, and I certainly don't have the equipment. I just watned a little help. Thanks.

Maybe some of this info upfront would have adverted the comments you got! :eek2:

[boba]

The comments were to some extent available before this post and he was given the correct procedure to follow but he liked Stonecolds method better. I still feel the same way, he destroyed his equipment rather than calling DISH and going through Tech support. "Gee don't we feel sorry for him? NOT!!"

[Scott Greczkowski]

He was still trying to hack the receiver. Opening or modifying a Dish Network receiver is against Dish Networks user agreement and is also considered hacking the unit.

[w12plai]

I apologize, but it was in another thread. I gave all the pertinent information in that thread. I am just asking why folks just assume that I was trying to hack. I mean, I can see the JY thing...didnt know it meant junkyard fix. Sounds suspicious. I give you that. I am a newbie to the forum too, but I would never disrespect it by talking about hacking. Obviously I am not hacking since I have a perfectly operational receiver and I am still not watching tv at all. I am just cheap I guess. I just want to know why folks are so quick to assume and condemn. People would jump to tell me to read before doing anything, but those same folks could have read all my posts. Again, I apologize, and appreciate any help. I just dont like people saying hey I got what I deserve. It was a managed risk. Worst case, I have to buy a new box or have one shipped. I was going to do that anyway, all I lost is a few bucks maybe and a few days. I didnt know I would be subject to all this scrutiny and stuff. Sheesh.

[w12plai]

I think that would be better defined by putting on a different firmware or forcing it to do something that it was not intended to do or operate in a manner that it was not intended to do so. I was just trying to get it current. Also, if that procedure were not done...that product would be and is considered a discontnued product since it no longer works, and is no longer functional. How can I hack something that does not work, and is not supported. Also, technically, I voided the warranty by opening, but like I said, the product is no longer supported and not functional. I dont want to get into semantics. I understand that you are trying to justify your original point of view and that is fine. It was worth a shot to get it working and I tooke it. I tried all means to get the device functional available to me, including contacting dish network. At that point I was ready to either throw it away or get a new one. I decided to try one more thing to get it working. Heck, if my VCR or TV werent working I would do the same. I would do the same with my XBOX and PSE (which are not modified). Is that considered hacking or voiding the warranty? Could I go to jail for doing either? Dont think so. For resetting the receiver, or forcing it to reset, that is considered hacking? I mean would the police or Dish Network come after me for that? Could they? Would that hold up in a court of law? Would I owe them money for hacking like the people who were sued? I dont think so.

Prosecuting Attorney: So, you have a non modified card. You opened your receiver (just as heinous as pulling the tag off of a pillow) and you applied a a paper clip to the currently useless device in order to put some evil self designed firmware on it?

Me: No sir. I just wanted it to accept an update that dish network was transmitting to all similiar systems. DN's satellites are the origin for the programming. They transmit the signal.

Prosecuting Attorney: So, how would this benefit you? Would you receive free tv from this action

Me: No sir, the box would only do what it was supposed to. I have another functioning, untouched box, and have watched zero tv free or otherwise.

[Mark Lamutt]

Well, at least you learned a lesson from it. Whether or not your intentions were to steal programming (which I happen to think they weren't), you did attempt to hack your receiver in a similar way (from what I've learned in my very limited research on the subject) that the thieves do. Most likely you were going to have to purchase a replacement anyway, although now it will probably cost you more - you may have been able to get a price break from Dish before, but there's no chance of that now.

[w12plai]

Thats one thing I hadnt thought of, that I could probably trade in the old receiver to dish network and gotten something off of a new one. I really want an hd receiver. I dont think those can be hacked or even opened or even have a card, so everyone who has dogged me can sleep a little easier tonight. I wont be on the loose pirating the airwaves tonight. I have learned a lesson thugh, not to open up the equipment, but I still think I would do that with any of my equipment. A toaster if its broken and I can fix it. Same thing with a tv or vcr. That voids the warranty, but I guarantee everyone in this forum has done something similiar. I am the big loser in all this I am accused of being a hacker, I have lost money on my receiver, and any trade in value, and the big hacker that I am, I have a recier, a dish and 2 cards and zero working tv. I will call DN to subscribe to the other card and at least get that working

[larrystotler]

He was still trying to hack the receiver. Opening or modifying a Dish Network receiver is against Dish Networks user agreement and is also considered hacking the unit.

And modifying a D* TiVo by upgrading the hardware would be considered hacking by D*, but people do that all the time..............................

[boba]

And modifying a D* TiVo by upgrading the hardware would be considered hacking by D*, but people do that all the time..............................Yes they do but their warranty is still void!!! :)

[w12plai]

Good point. That leads me to one more point...If I were trying to hack as you say, why would I stop at asking about a receiver's firmware? I never said, hey, how do you get free tv (forgive me if there is a firmware hack to give you free tv.) I would be asking..hey, how do you get this thing to give free tv, or how do you program the card or what not. I dont think I would stop at how do I get my oldd device working. Finally, if your TIVO was not receiving updates, or the hard drive was defective, would you not open it and replace it? Is that hacking? What if they dont sell your type of hard drive anymore? In a few years you wont be able to buy 40 gigs on the shelf anymore. You will have to buy a new bigger hard drive. That will require a firmware "hack" wouldn't it? Even if you replace it with the same size, wouldn't that require a firmware hack.

[w12plai]

I really didnt want to start an argument. I just wanted to get my satellite receivers working so that I could have tv in two rooms at the same time. I will follow up with dish tonight. Thank you all for your help, and I promise I am not trying to get free tv. Sorry for any inconvenience.

[Bob Haller]

Well I have opened boxes.

My old 4000 was sitting upside down disconnected during some remodeling. A visiting child thought the 4000 bottom hole a slot machine and inserted change:(

I happened to hear it clanging around and opened the box to get it out. Found the interior of the box filthy, dust clings to electronic components.

Using dry compressed air I blew all the dirt out, and did my tv too.

there are legit reasons to open the hood.

I once replaced a blown diode in a friends box, it had been hit by lightning:( easy to find it was in pieces:(

Worked fine afterward.

But I DONT modify anything other than replacing 7100 hard drives:)

Stuff can get dropped into boxes espically if kids are around. I fix machiones in schools, its amazing what kids can get into a otherwise sealed box....

[w12plai]

i think it all boils down to if you gain anything from it like free tv or increased funcionality by something not authorized by the people. I could understand if I put my own or some other firmware on there, but I was legitimately trying to put DN firmware on there.

[Cholly]

i think it all boils down to if you gain anything from it like free tv or increased funcionality by something not authorized by the people. I could understand if I put my own or some other firmware on there, but I was legitimately trying to put DN firmware on there.
I think you miss the point. You weren't "legitimately trying to put on firmware".In your haste to get service, you fried the box. The fact that the Junkyard fix relies on defeating the existing firmware should have been a red flag to you. Any time you open a box and attempt an "unauthorized" modification, it's a hack. Yes, people hack their TiVo boxes all the time, adding hard drive capacity, ethernet interfaces, etc., and usually doing it safely. But I'll wager that some of these attempts go awry and folks end up with doorstops. Such is life. You took a chance, and it didn't work out. Don't expect us to be sorry for you.
You state that you want to have HD service. Why not just bite the bullet and sign up as a new subscriber? You've been away from Dish long enough to qualify for any current promos.

[Scott Greczkowski]

The junk yard fix is not a legitimate way to upgrade the firmwear on your box. Did someone from Dish tell you the way to upgade your firmwear is to open up the box and solder things.

"Sir, you STOLE the Fizzy Lifting drink, and no you lose! Good Day Sir!"

[mntmst]

There is a difference between hacking hardware and cracking hardware. I am a long time hardware hacker but I don't crack boxes. All of the 169time, rd-5000 boxes are hacks but not cracks because they don't allow the user to steal service.

[larrystotler]

Yeah, and if Microsoft tried to tell us that we weren't allowed to open up our PCs because they feel we would steal their useless software, how many people would listen or care. And how many car manufacturers try to scare people into only having service done at a dealer or they might void their warrenty. Doing a legit upgrade to expand the functionality of your receiver such as adding a larger HD or copying programs that you have recorded from the hard drive to DVDs is something that we all have a fair use right to do. Restricting what we can do because about 5% of people out there are theives is BS. We can copy programs using the S-Video or RCA outputs, but we are barred from using the existing USB ports or firewire ports is also crap. Too many small time special interests like Hollywood with deep pockets and armies of lawyers are taking the spirit of this country and ruining it. If anyone wants to report me to E* as a hacker because I plan on being able to back up my 501 or 721 for my own purposes can be my guest. Big Deal.

[stonecold]

Ok

I think it time we had another chat from Former pirate Stonecold

a. Dish has now fixed it so that 90 % of the reciever can not longer be fixed from an ecm with the famous JYF JunkYard Fix. So it does not have much of a purpose left.

B. It does force the firmware to download as long as the box has not been ecmed.
Like I said every once and a while I will get virgin recivers from different sources. When I say virgin i mean NEW in Box. Which is not so much a big deal with newer models like 301 or 501 but older models like the 2700/2800/3700 or the 4000/4500 or 3800/3900 i do have to do a Junk yard fix to force the software when it does not want to download it self.

You dont have to solder anything. I use a small piece of 30 guage wire.
it by it slef it not illegal. Just like a gun. Just because you have a gun does not me you are going to use it to commit crimes or kill people.