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DISHblog.net
01-08-05, 11:03 AM
I have been a happy Dish customer for over 4 years. Now I have a problem, and this is major if they cannot fix it. I'll switch to DirecTV or cable if need be. Read about it.

EchoStar Communications Corp.
Dispute Resolution
POB 9040
Littleton, CO 80120

To Whom It May Concern:

I am writing this letter regarding a Dish Network problem I encountered on January 7, 2005 and about the support call I made related to the problem. In this letter, I will describe the technical problem and technical support experience. It is hope that you can resolve this problem to my satisfaction.

However, let me start by saying that I have been a satisfied Dish Network customer for over four years. I enjoy your America’s Everything programming package. I want to continue using Dish Network, but I feel so strongly about this technical problem, that if you cannot resolve it for me, then I will discontinue my customer account.

The technical support call I made was on January 7, 2005, between 9-10 PM EST. I talked with Joe and his supervisor, Rodney. I also previously talked to a woman, but I do not have her name. Rodney told me he would fully document my issue and the call.

Before I can describe the exact technical problem I’ve encountered, I need to give you some background information. We have not had a wired telephone in our home for almost three years. We have no need for one except to order PPV movies. We decided to use mobile phones only to save money on utilities and because it was cheaper to order a few PPV movies by phone and pay the extra $1 fee than it was to pay about $35/month for a wired phone account. My mobile phone account is with AT&T Wireless/Cingular, one of the nation’s largest mobile phone companies. I have no blocking set on my phone. When I call other people or companies, they can see my number on their caller ID. When I talked to your technical support associates, they could also see my phone number. My mobile number is associated with my Dish account, and has been associated with it for a long time.

Last night, shortly after 9 PM, we decided we wanted to watch a PPV film starting at 9:30 PM. I called 1-800-333-3474 and made my way through your newly changed menu system. I heard a new message for the first time, as it has been a couple of months since we have ordered a PPV film. The message was that I would have to pay an additional $5 charge for the movie unless I ordered via remote, online, or through your automated phone ordering system. This is the change to your system that started me down the path to the technical problem I encountered.

I waited for the phone ordering system to recognize my phone number and allow me to order the film. Instead, your automated system told me that it did not recognize my phone number as associated with a Dish account, although it is, and sent me into a queue to order the movie through a customer service person which would incur a $5 extra charge.

At that point, I decided to hang up and order the movie online. I have made programming purchases online before, but had never ordered a PPV movie online, so I was unaware of the need for a 6-digit passcode to order a film. Since I had logged onto to my account online, I found it unusual that you had an additional security requirement to order a film. I regularly bank online, but once I sign onto to my bank account, I don’t have to go through more security procedures to make financial transactions. Compared to my online banking experiences, I find your online ordering system antiquated or less secure than an online bank. But, back to the issue.

I found the instructions for obtaining a passcode when I was linked to http://www.ppvorder3.com/help.htm. I called 1-877-314-8042 to obtain my passcode. I received a message that the system was unable to place an order on this account and for me to hold for a customer service representative. I waited just under ten minutes and talked to a woman who could/would not help me. I explained to her at that time, that I had been frustrated in all my attempts to order a PPV film and that the film was starting in less than five minutes. She said she could not help me and that she would have to transfer me to technical support. I explained to her that by then, I would miss the film. She still did not help me. I do not recall her name, but I talked to her at about 9:25 PM EST.

After about 15 minutes on hold for technical support, the longest I’ve ever had to wait for Dish support, I talked to Joe. It appeared difficult for him to understand the problem I was having, so I had to explain the problem to him several times. When he was unable to help, I asked to talk to his supervisor, Rodney. After explaining the problem again, Rodney said he had no way of helping me other than to place the film order without charging me any extra fees. I selected a later showing on another channel and recorded the film to view later.

Rodney could not explain why he could see my phone number on his system, yet two of your automated systems had failed to see my phone number other than perhaps it was because I was calling from a mobile phone. The problem appears to be with your automated system. Everyone I call can see my phone number. Even your technical support people can see my phone number, but your phone ordering system does not recognize my number and your passcode system does not recognize my number. You have a technical problem, and I want it resolved.

From the time I dialed 877-314-8042, I was on the phone for almost one hour and ten minutes. If you add in my first call, I was on the phone or online trying to order a film and resolve these problems for over 90 minutes.

There is a growing trend in this country to eliminate wired home phones in favor of mobile phones. This trend is expected to continue. You will likely have other customers with the same problem, and you will lose business on PPV sales or lose customers altogether.

What I am asking of you is that you do whatever you need to do to make it easy for me to order PPV films without a $5 service fee. I don’t mind the extra $1 online or phone charge. I had asked Joe and Rodney just to give me a passcode so that I could order online. They said they were unable to do that.

You can do one of three things to satisfy me. I have listed them in my order of preference.

Provide me with a passcode so that I can order PPV films online.
Repair your automated ordering system so that it recognizes my phone number, and I can order PPV films using that automated system.
Drop the $5 charge when I call to order PPV films.

If you cannot do at least one of these things to satisfy me, I will cancel my account and no longer do business with you. I would do that with regret, as I have enjoyed your service for over four years.

I am posting this letter as an e-mail on your Web site, mailing you a copy by snail mail, and posting it also at http://www.dishblog.net, a domain I own where I post articles and news about your business. This is the first unhappy posting I will have made. I hope I can end it soon on a happy note.

Regards,
Roger L. Bell
http://www.DISHblog.net

pomeroy
01-08-05, 03:42 PM
Alot of mess to go through just watch a PPV, Sorry to say Directv is the sameway If you call them to order a PPV they charge you, I am sure how much? You can order it online to, One nice thing about Directv you can order PPV with out the phone line up to a certain amount then its locked from ordering, You can then call Direct and tell them you lost your access card and to send you another one for $20, That beats paying over $50 for all those PPV or Porn charges:D

DISHblog.net
01-08-05, 04:15 PM
Update: I received two calls this afternoon from a tech guy at DISH. He is really trying to help me solve the problem, but said the folks he needed to talk to are not working this weekend. He said he would call me back by Tuesday to hopefully fix the problem. He said calling by cell phones to order PPV should not be the issue.

It's good to hear the "can do" technical support on his end. :stickman: Last night I heard more of the "we are sorry" kind of support. :confused:

Thanks for the information on DirecTV. Not sure I wanted to go there since Rupert Murdock owns the company now. :mad: Even though he's become a US citizen, he still sends loads of his money out of the US. I like to buy American !pride when possible and it makes sense, so cable was the only other serious option I am considering.

Roger
http://www.DISHblog.nethttp://www.DISHblog.net

julesism
01-08-05, 04:23 PM
you know what, although i never order PPV via the phone, the phone number tied in with our account is also a cell phone and the dish system never recognizes it when i call..... i always have to enter our account number. this only started occuring recently. if they are using a new system for the CS line, i wonder if it's something fubared there...

is this something that all account holders with a cell number as their primary or only number on their account come across ? could it be because the CID actually says "wireless call" and not the actual name from some cell numbers ?

DISHblog.net
01-08-05, 05:00 PM
It is more complex that that. When I call the main DISH number and enter my cell phone number, it recognizes that number and allows me to "sign-on." I could never remember the long account number, so I know I have never used that to call.

It is only when I get to their NEW automated phone ordering system that it then tells me it does not recognize my phone number and sends me to customer care to pay $5 **NOT** and order my movie with a real person. Not sure when this new ordering system came about and this $5 fee, but it is the cause of my problem.

I had never ordered a PPV online, so didn't realize I had to call another number to create a passcode first. That number also would not recognize my phone number as associated with an account and sent me to customer care who then sent me to technical support. Alas, 90 minutes of BS last night.

You should certainly give it a try and see if you have similar issues.

n0qcu
01-08-05, 06:30 PM
The problem is with your cell phone co. Your call is NOT originating from the same number that is assigned to your phone/CID info. The ANI service that is used by the '800' number you call is reading the actual number which in this case is not "yours". You can confirm this by calling MCI at 800-444-4444 you will get a response telling you the number you are calling from.

DISHblog.net
01-09-05, 10:16 AM
I called the MCI phone number you listed. It correctly identified my phone number. So I guess this means the problem is not on my end Any other ideas? Does the problem then lie in Dish's ANI service? I told the Dish fellow I spoke to on Saturday that maybe some of their databases (but not all) had my old phone number listed for my account. I've had this number for about 3 years, so I doubt it, but thought he should check.

Roger
http://www.DISHblog.net