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co_gooner
09-19-05, 09:59 AM
At the risk of flogging a dead horse, I'm came across this in the 'Big Soccer Forum' today (and it's not the only one)
"I'm switching to Direct TV from Dish Saturday, only for Setanta Pub Channel. I have nothing against Dish, great customer service, but now I can get Fox Soccer, Gol TV, and the great Setanta."
DISH for whatever reason seem to have decided not to offer Setanta Sports USA, even though DirecTV do. If as a business you were losing customers to your biggest rival just because you are not offering what they offer, wouldn't you take a look at this situation and try and remedy it? :nono2:
Haralampi
09-19-05, 10:32 AM
I am with you "co gooner". My patience is starting to wear out, and I will consider switching to D in the near future if dish does not offer Setanta.
Darkman
09-19-05, 01:19 PM
available for subscription also via Globecast at IA5 (formerly Telstar 5)
http://www.globecastwtv.com/ch_setanta.htm
I do not understand why anyone would switch company's just for 1 or 2 channels.
co_gooner
09-19-05, 03:24 PM
available for subscription also via Globecast at IA5 (formerly Telstar 5)
http://www.globecastwtv.com/ch_setanta.htm
Thanks for the info, but I don't think that my landlady would appreciate me sticking a dirty great dish in the front garden :rolleyes:
Darkman
09-19-05, 03:27 PM
not sure what you ment by "dirty great" dish .. but 30 inch Dish should work for Globecast's channels at IA5
Slamminc11
09-19-05, 05:37 PM
...If as a business you were losing customers to your biggest rival just because you are not offering what they offer, wouldn't you take a look at this situation and try and remedy it? :nono2:
My guess is that they aren't losing that many people because of the game of soccer. No offense, but my guess is that they haven't seen that many people defect so...
Stewart Vernon
09-19-05, 11:45 PM
No disrespect intended for the soccer fans... but so far soccer has proven to not be as popular here in the US. For whatever reason you might want to pull out of a hat, soccer just isn't on most sports enthusiasts radar.
Strange, when all the local parks here are filled with boys and girls of all ages playing soccer almost every weekend... but apparently they grow up and lose interest.
I myself played a little intramurals in school, never was any danger of being good at it! But I never have been able to cultivate an interest in watching. Too much like hockey I guess... lasts a long time and nobody scores for most of the game.
SimpleSimon
09-20-05, 01:42 AM
... nobody scores for most of the gameSounds like marriage. :D
psnarula
09-20-05, 07:45 AM
I do not understand why anyone would switch company's just for 1 or 2 channels.
my brother switched to directv last week because of espn2hd.
Ken Howe
09-20-05, 08:23 AM
here is how it works... as a Dish and Directv Salesman... Dish and Directv have a few different channels. Mostly because they have to pay for each channel... they try to get as many channels as they can... but if they can only give you so many channels, and one channel will draw more customers than the other... than... the choice is obvious...they have to pay for each channel, they are going to get high volume channels... dish and directv both have different standards... both have their positives and negitives... and both try to steal from the others "plate", it may eventually end up on dish eventually... but right now they are working on other things... there might also be an exclusivity contract from the station that broadcasts it. Who really knows.... besides... if the channel means that much to you, you know where to find it...
Generally speaking there are a lot of channels that both Dish and DirecTV sign exclusives for. Many channels that dish has in it's international block cannot be sold to other DBS companies.
I do not understand why anyone would switch company's just for 1 or 2 channels.
I chose E* over D* because they carry TV5. When I installed it (1999), D* was better for sports enthousiasts and E* was better for international programming. I guess that hasn't changed much.
co_gooner
09-20-05, 02:01 PM
[QUOTE=HDMe]No disrespect intended for the soccer fans... but so far soccer has proven to not be as popular here in the US. For whatever reason you might want to pull out of a hat, soccer just isn't on most sports enthusiasts radar.
Well TV executives must hate real football (soccer to you lot) as they can't put ads on for 45 minutes whilst the games is being played, so they have no real incentive to push it hard, plus you lot over here are a bunch of philistines ( ;) just kidding! I like your football too, but as for baseball... :grin: )
co_gooner
09-20-05, 02:05 PM
here is how it works... as a Dish and Directv Salesman... Dish and Directv have a few different channels. Mostly because they have to pay for each channel... they try to get as many channels as they can... but if they can only give you so many channels, and one channel will draw more customers than the other... than... the choice is obvious...they have to pay for each channel, they are going to get high volume channels... dish and directv both have different standards... both have their positives and negitives... and both try to steal from the others "plate", it may eventually end up on dish eventually... but right now they are working on other things... there might also be an exclusivity contract from the station that broadcasts it. Who really knows.... besides... if the channel means that much to you, you know where to find it...
Okay, but how does it work when the channel is a pay channel, Setanta is $11.99/month, so in theory doesn't it pay for itself?
Also I know from speaking to Setanta that they offered it to DISH, but DISH declined :mad:
Ken Howe
09-20-05, 02:50 PM
not really... HBO/Cinemax/Showtime/Starz are pay channels to pay for the royalties to the companies and they are large enough... Dish network pays for the channels and you are pretty much reimbursing them for the money they spent... many people watch HBO and the such because there are movies, everyone watches movies. Not everyone watches soccar... if only 10,000 customers watch it... that may not be enough to get that channel and Dish is out money... its not about the pay channel... you pay for channels to reimburse dish because if the HBO's and such were in the basic package, it would be much more expensive for everyone on the board. Got it? Its just like a store... even though you have to "buy" something, if they do not sell enough of them, they are losing money, and they will pull them off the shelf.
Well TV executives must hate real football (soccer to you lot) as they can't put ads on for 45 minutes whilst the games is being played, so they have no real incentive to push it hard...
Didn't you watch the World Cup? They managed to fit plenty of ads in the bottom 1/3 of the screen!
Ken Howe
09-21-05, 07:16 AM
it doesnt matter either way... the commercials that rarely show have to pay out the nose to air thier stuff... it all balances out.
co_gooner
09-21-05, 10:17 AM
Didn't you watch the World Cup? They managed to fit plenty of ads in the bottom 1/3 of the screen!
I wasn't living in this country at the time :)
I wasn't living in this country at the time :)
Welcome to America, then.
For the World Cup, they had animated figures running at the bottom of the screen carrying banners or other ways to get the sponso'r name on screen. Very distracting, not unlike the teasers you seeduring most of the network shows now.
I actually subscribed to Dishnetwork BECAUSE of their soccer offerings. The AT180 included Fox Soccer channel, GOL TV and ESPN2 (for some UEFA champions league games). At the time, DirecTV wanted extra $12/mo for FSC and did not even offer GOL TV. I thought that was a pretty impressive line up of soccer for the fans.
I think Ken is correct that a premium soccer channel will not fly here. Now if Dish were to offer ESPN2HD, then we'll be set for full HD viewing of next world cup (ABC, ESPN, ESPN2)!
HZ
co_gooner
09-23-05, 09:00 AM
I actually subscribed to Dishnetwork BECAUSE of their soccer offerings. The AT180 included Fox Soccer channel, GOL TV and ESPN2 (for some UEFA champions league games). At the time, DirecTV wanted extra $12/mo for FSC and did not even offer GOL TV. I thought that was a pretty impressive line up of soccer for the fans.
I think Ken is correct that a premium soccer channel will not fly here. Now if Dish were to offer ESPN2HD, then we'll be set for full HD viewing of next world cup (ABC, ESPN, ESPN2)!
HZ
If a premium soccer channel won't fly 'here' then why have DirecTV and Globestar picked it up, and why do I know people who have switched from DISH to DirecTV just so they can get this channel?? :confused:
My guess is that they aren't losing that many people because of the game of soccer. No offense, but my guess is that they haven't seen that many people defect so...
Slamminc,
Dish is the only provider to offer English Premier League FOOTBALL Games on same Day coverage or live.
John
Stewart Vernon
09-23-05, 10:49 AM
If a premium soccer channel won't fly 'here' then why have DirecTV and Globestar picked it up, and why do I know people who have switched from DISH to DirecTV just so they can get this channel?? :confused:
But how many people is this? Not to be too silly here... but I knew a kid when I was little who would eat napkins. I've known a couple of people who ate bugs... and neither is destined to show up on my local Burger King menu as an item for their value meal!
Just because you know some people who have switched, doesn't a majority make.
I have nothing against soccer, it just doesn't interest me enough to watch and certainly not to pay more for... and based on the general state of sports here in the US, soccer seems to be pretty far down the rung. The MLS doesn't do that well, and the recent women's soccer league folded even after the height of popularity of winning the Gold a few years back.
Soccer just doesn't seem to work here like it does in the rest of the world.
A fair and proper example would be... Go to one of the big soccer countries in Europe... and see how many of those folks sign up for NBA Season Pass or NFL Sunday Ticket or something like that if they could. My bet is it would be a very low number though you'd probably find some.
DCSholtis
09-23-05, 11:05 AM
Slamminc,
Dish is the only provider to offer English Premier League FOOTBALL Games on same Day coverage or live.
John
Not exactly, D* also offers an EPL package on Saturday and Sundays. I believe one or maybe 2 games each day plus repeats immediately after. Its a PPV deal.
kevruth
09-23-05, 11:25 AM
I do not understand why anyone would switch company's just for 1 or 2 channels.
Most soccer fans like myself switched to satellite because our local cable companies refused to carry Fox Sports World (now Fox Soccer Channel). Dish became the choice of the soccer fan when they had the exclusive English-language broadcasts to GolTV. DTV couldn't offer it.
When that exclusivity agreement ran out DTV pickup GolTV right away. The two services were then on an even playing field.
Then Setanta finally came out with Setanta Sports USA which carried so much more soccer that was previously either PPV or only available in a sports bar. DTV picked it up.
According to Setanta they offered it to Dish but they turned them down when Dish found out that Setanta wouldn't give them exclusivity.
As a result of all this, soccer fans are leaving in droves for DTV. I really don't understand why they wouldn't pick this up as it is a premium channel like an HBO or Showtime. Dish would not pay subscriber fees like they would with ESPN, A&E, MTV, etc. Dish seems to have no problem adding more and more foreign channels that are premium channels like Setanta. And now they keep adding all of these awful college sports channels with few big name schools on them. I don't get it at all.
They better not screw up getting ESPN2HD as well. Next summer is the World Cup and ALL of the matches will be HD according to ESPN/ABC. People will switch to DTV if Dish doesn't offer ESPN2HD for that big sporting event.
BurgEnder
09-23-05, 01:44 PM
I cannot believe this much discussion has occured on account of SOCCER. I'm personally of the Jim Rome mode of thought in which I believe soccer just isn't that great.
co_gooner
09-23-05, 02:16 PM
Jim Rome :confused:
Number 1 sport in the world, but yeah it's not that great :eek2: Whatever
Darkman
09-23-05, 02:35 PM
They don't care about that fact, co-gooner....
For them it's crap regardless... :lol: :grin: :lol:
johnbelt28
09-23-05, 02:57 PM
There is now three almost full time soccer channels Somebody is interested.
Ken Howe
09-23-05, 03:48 PM
I dont think dish can afford the soccer channels... every time someone's team losses, they have to try and get a new receiver for free from dish... kinda costly... :bonk1:
Slamminc11
09-23-05, 03:48 PM
Slamminc,
Dish is the only provider to offer English Premier League FOOTBALL Games on same Day coverage or live.
John
What does that have to do with what I said? My point was that I am guessing that Dish isn't losing throngs of people because of a soccer channel. What does that statement have to do with Dish being the only provider of and English Permier League deal?
Slamminc11
09-23-05, 03:59 PM
...As a result of all this, soccer fans are leaving in droves for DTV. I really don't understand why they wouldn't pick this up as it is a premium channel like an HBO or Showtime. Dish would not pay subscriber fees like they would with ESPN, A&E, MTV, etc. Dish seems to have no problem adding more and more foreign channels that are premium channels like Setanta. And now they keep adding all of these awful college sports channels with few big name schools on them. I don't get it at all.
They better not screw up getting ESPN2HD as well. Next summer is the World Cup and ALL of the matches will be HD according to ESPN/ABC. People will switch to DTV if Dish doesn't offer ESPN2HD for that big sporting event.
DROVES? Listen if "droves" were leaving then maybe Dish would take a look, unless droves means to you enough subs to fit into a soccer mom's minivan or Yukon. I think you severely overestimate the amount of people who watch soccer and are Dish subs. Oh wait, I get it. You were seeing all the football talk on here and thought they were talking soccer. Sorry, but they were talking about real football, the one that makes money. ;)
BurgEnder
09-23-05, 11:45 PM
For them it's crap regardless... :lol: :grin: :lol: Essentially.
Ken Howe
09-24-05, 07:09 AM
Sorry, but they were talking about real football, the one that makes money. ;)
On soccers defense, they make some money... enought to get something off the value menu at McD's. only one thing though.
Stewart Vernon
09-24-05, 10:36 AM
Oh wait, I get it. You were seeing all the football talk on here and thought they were talking soccer. Sorry, but they were talking about real football, the one that makes money. ;)
To be fair to the soccer fans... Soccer IS the real football. It predates American Football, and the players actually use their feet to control the ball! Plus everywhere else in the world it is Football, just not here in the US because we invented our own Football.
It just hasn't caught on here in the US in the way Football and Basketball have... Even the take-a-year-off-to-whine Hockey will have more popularity than Soccer... whatever the reason, it just isn't anywhere near as popular here as in the rest of the world, and unless something major happens I don't see that changing anytime soon.
johnbelt28
09-24-05, 11:07 AM
I watch all sports.I had never paid attention to soccer at all until a couple years ago.I seen a Man.United and Arsenal match.The intensity and passion from not only the players but the fans was unlike I have ever seen at an american sporting event.It truly was like it was a matter of live and death.I also watch Rugby Aussie Rules.It is graeat to be able to turn into live sporting events in the middle night.I watch all sports all day every day except NASCAR.The reason soccer will never be popular here is it wasn't invented here.It's all good though didn't Amercan Football,soccer and rugby evolve from the same game.To each his own but the more sports the better.
Michael P
09-24-05, 11:39 AM
Why are cricket matches so expensive on E* PPV? I saw a free preview of "last year's matches". It looked like baseball with a flat bat. And why does it take half a lifetime to play one match?
Slamminc11
09-24-05, 12:23 PM
Why are cricket matches so expensive on E* PPV? I saw a free preview of "last year's matches". It looked like baseball with a flat bat. And why does it take half a lifetime to play one match?
I am pretty sure that it is a rule in cricket that every time someone scores, everyone has to stop and have tea and crumpets. Though I could be wrong.
Slamminc,
Dish is the only provider to offer English Premier League FOOTBALL Games on same Day coverage or live.
John
Direct TV offers the same English Premier Package you are wrong.
When Dish got Gol TV they they were the ones that had the most soccer.
Now Direct has it too and with Setanta now available they have the most soccer.
You guys think no one cares about soccer, you guys are blind why on earch would Fox name FSW Fox Soccer Channel also why did both Sat companies offer Gol Tv in Spanish and English? Because it is a huge market just like when Dish was the only place for Cricket, international sports have a huge market.
Just think about the growth of Hispanics in the USA, what is their favorite sport, I can tell you it is not American Football or Hockey.
HDJunky
09-25-05, 01:08 AM
This topic is way to funny! The soccer channel would be a complete waste of space even if it is only a SD channel, would be suprised if they got more than 1000 subscribers to that channel after a year or so if DISH did add it! Obviously you soccer nuts are not with Dish for their HD content, which is the reason i am with them.. Dish is a much better provider than Direct, and you would have to really have a screw loose to dump your service with them for 1 or 2 channels, but hey thats what i think! LONG LIVE DISH THE NEW HD LEADER!
SimpleSimon
09-25-05, 01:58 AM
I am pretty sure that it is a rule in cricket that every time someone scores, everyone has to stop and have tea and crumpets. Though I could be wrong.
Half-wrong - it's not after each run, but after a scoring play. ;)
Weird sport - you can make different amount of points for the same play.
Slamminc11
09-25-05, 10:55 AM
Half-wrong - it's not after each run, but after a scoring play. ;)
Weird sport - you can make different amount of points for the same play.
I said score, not run.
co_gooner
09-26-05, 08:31 AM
You Americans are so hillarious, why don't you take your blinkers off and take a look at the outside world - hey, go mad, be in the minority get a passport; there's a whole world out there waiting to be explored - you may have to open your minds though, scary thought that may be!!
If "droves" of people are leaving E* because they don't have the Setanta channel, perhaps it balances out with the "droves" leaving D* every day because they don't offer HBO Comedy or the Style Network. :)
Even for soccer fans, viewership for this channel is going to be really small - and the major Setanta events are still on PPV only.
Stewart Vernon
09-26-05, 11:09 AM
You Americans are so hillarious, why don't you take your blinkers off and take a look at the outside world - hey, go mad, be in the minority get a passport; there's a whole world out there waiting to be explored - you may have to open your minds though, scary thought that may be!!
I think I am always open minded... and fully acknowledge the sport's popularity outside the US. It's just painfully clear that for as much as Soccer has been tried here in my lifetime, it just never catches on. From the "old days" I remember Pele... but virtually nothing else from that time period... and I know of no one in the current league (MLS).
I don't like Hockey either... but somehow it is reasonably popular. I also never get NASCAR, bunch of cars driving around in circles really fast for hours... and I'm in the south practically where NASCAR was born!
The UNC women's soccer team has won nearly every NCAA championship since the inception of the tournament... but even though I live less than a half hour from their campus I still hear very little about soccer where I live!
It's just a reality check thing... whether it is people in the US rejecting an international sport or whatever... it just isn't that popular beyond people who recently have moved here from another country.
What I *really* can't explain, though, is how many young kids I've seen for the last 15+ years who play soccer every weekend... there are lots of kids' leagues and parks are full every weekend around here... yet most of these kids do not continue to have an interest in soccer outside of that... they don't watch on TV and they don't play when they are grown up.
That's the strange part to me... is the interest at a young age that seemingly disappears.
SimpleSimon
09-27-05, 06:03 PM
That's the strange part to me... is the interest at a young age that seemingly disappears.Not strange to me, when they grow up their moms are no longer forcing them to endure the ultimate boredom that is soccer. :D :D :D
Just kidding - to each their own - as long as I don't have to pay for it!
JPointerWI
09-28-05, 09:16 PM
"I'm switching to Direct TV from Dish Saturday, only for Setanta Pub Channel. I have nothing against Dish, great customer service, but now I can get Fox Soccer, Gol TV, and the great Setanta."
GolTV IS on Dish, channel 407, part of americas top 180
kevruth
09-29-05, 06:25 AM
GolTV IS on Dish, channel 407, part of americas top 180
That person knows that. What Dishnetwork soccer fans want is for them to add Setanta Sports.
Also, check the schedule for international channels. Although they are not sports channels, many of them play soccer matches commercial free. TV5, for example, played most of the European Cup. And you may learn another language in the process (how go you say "goal" in spanish?)
BTW, DISH has now added ESPN Deportes and ESPNU. I don't think they'll come around to adding Setanta USA. But as someone else pointed out before, you don't need DirecTV to get Setanta USA. A Globecast dish can get Setanta USA a-la-carte.
I think it will only be a matter of time before DISH adds ESPN2-HD. That will leave only TyC Sports as a major soccer channel which won't be on DISH.
To other schmoes who think nobody watches shaahkar in the US or none of the programming executives make any decisions about it, should I be required to apologize for your ignorance? Or does it serve as a validation for your reality?
Darkman
10-03-05, 03:26 PM
Welcome to DBSTalk, Chandu! :welcome_s
garypen
10-03-05, 04:37 PM
I do not understand why anyone would switch company's just for 1 or 2 channels.What's so hard to understand? The two companies offer most of the same general programming, with DirecTV actually offering a little more, for approximately the same cost. However, each company has certain offerings not available on the other service.
So, if one or two of the specialty channels are only offered on one of the two services, it makes perfect sense to switch, especially with the new customer promos that are offered.
Some examples of the differences in specialty channels:
DirecTV offers more sports programming, with Setanta, YES, and NFL Sunday Ticket being the most obvious. However, Dish has narrowed the sports gap slightly by adding ESPNU and CSTV.
Dish offers many more International channels than DirecTV, including many International sports PPV such as Cricket and Rugby, which may not be available on DirecTV. However, DirecTV has added many International channels recently, including SBS from Korea.
Dish offers many more shopping channels because they pay Dish to broadcast them. DirecTV prefers to use the bandwidth for other purposes.
Dish offers many more Public Interest channels, because they are legally bound to.
DirecTV has all four major networks in HD, with a number of DMA's local nets in HD on the way. Dish has CBS-HD. Conversely, Dish offers 10 of the Voom Originals, while DirecTV offers none.
Wanting any one of those speccialty channels is a perfectly valid reason to switch to/from either service.
Welcome to DBSTalk, Chandu! :welcome_s
Thanks! Cheers!!!
auburn2
10-03-05, 07:51 PM
I would rather have E* HD picture quality over D* with a larger channel lineup.
I watch ESPN HD regularly and it is a lot better on E* than D*. D* is willing to sacrifice bandwidth and picture quality to get more channels.
I would never watch the soccer channels even if I had em, so E* lack of offering them does not bother me. I actually prefer it this way since they would only serve to lower the available bandwidth for the other channels.
D* is probably the better pick for you folks out there who want/need the programming not available on E*.
Well, one thing I'm very happy about E* is that their channel space isn't cluttered with unwanted things like NFL Sunday ticket for me. And the HD picture of RUSH-HD on E* is freaking cool, especially for those La Liga matches.
2devnull
10-06-05, 12:59 PM
Dish offers many more International channels than DirecTV, including many International sports PPV such as Cricket
That's crazy talk. When last did DISH offer proper cricket? I switch to DTV just because they have the cricket ticket which are resonably priced compared to what DISH wanted when they carried it a few years ago. DISH currently does not carry any live international cricket as far as I know.
johnbelt28
10-06-05, 01:33 PM
D* totally smokes E* on Cricket and Rugby PPV's.D* has shown the PPV from Setanta that dish doesn't show since Setanta went with D*.Dish will show England World Cup qualifiers that Fox Soccer Channel ofers but not the ones Setanta offers.
DISH currently does not carry any live international cricket as far as I know.
As I told you on another thread, that is incorrect. Both of them have some coverage, and unfortunately it is split up.
http://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/packages/international_services_cricket.jsp
http://www.dishnetwork.com/content/programming/ppv/sports_events/cricket/index.shtml
I wish there was unified coverage available on at least one of them, or preferably both.
D* totally smokes E* on Cricket...
More or less true, by looking at above links. But it's simply not true that there is no live coverage on DISH (as 2devnull had stated).
2devnull
10-07-05, 09:49 PM
Yep, Chandu is correct and he did provide a link where DISH is carrying the Super Series and aparently all Pakistan home games. I left DISH in August after years of no cricket. If I am not mistaken, up until this Super Series and they are yet to broadcast a Pakistan home series, DISH has very rarely carry any cricket at all. Also, DISH wants you to buy the entire tour rather than being able to buy each match separately.
Whoever is allowing DISH exclusivity on tours such as what Pakistan and the Super Series has done for DISH to carry it for one enornmous fee for the entire tour is just idiotic. I mean, how much bloody dishes do I need on my damn roof?
I mean, how much bloody dishes do I need on my damn roof?
Looking at the way coverages are getting splitup among these wars between D* and E* (consider Setanta USA on D*, ESPN Deportes on E*, a fat cricket ticket on D*, ICC Super Series on E*, etc.), this is not the best solution for the consumer.
I've been hearing about the Verizon FiOS technology (that's new fiber optic cable) coming and solving a lot of such problems. But frankly I don't know if I should hold my breath. The way I see it, the problems here are not technology driven. They are purely political. :(
2devnull
10-12-05, 11:52 AM
Looking at the way coverages are getting splitup among these wars between D* and E* (consider Setanta USA on D*, ESPN Deportes on E*, a fat cricket ticket on D*, ICC Super Series on E*, etc.), this is not the best solution for the consumer.
I've been hearing about the Verizon FiOS technology (that's new fiber optic cable) coming and solving a lot of such problems. But frankly I don't know if I should hold my breath. The way I see it, the problems here are not technology driven. They are purely political. :(
Indeed, all politics. Always seems cricket and politics goes hand in hand in the cricket playing nations, now even here in the USA it is the same thing.
Slamminc11
10-12-05, 06:12 PM
I don't know about Dish, but I do know that I don't care!!!!!!
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