Please bring back alternating tuners for back 2 back recordings!

[Paradox-sj]

As it is today if you schedule two back to back recording on the same channel they will always record on the same tuner. (I so hate this feature)

One of the major problems this casues is the ending of the first program is always on the beggining of the second program. So if you happen to watch the second recorded program first and you happen to delete it when you are done...you dont get to see how the first recored program ends.:nono2:

Do you know how many time I have missed the end of Lost cos some one deleted Invasion?

At the very least you can make this an option cant you?

[liferules]

I personally like it. It's frustrating to try to record several shows such as Lost, which ends 2 minutes late and overlaps with the others. If using different timers as you suggest, then you cannot record another show on Timer 1 (due to Lost running late)... it limits you.

I do agree with you, though, in that it'd be nice to be able to set the timers to end late or start late, so as to not cut endings onto other shows...

Ideally, though, we need the networks to stop being cute with their "creative" start and stop times. It really wreaks havoc on the PVR community which is growing to be a significant segment of the population.:rant:

[rbyers]

Don't you think that's why they do it. Otherwise why would anyone watch whatever comes after lost instead of the NBC/CBS shows. It's a tool to help their loser 10PM show.

[Jim5506]

Do they record on the same timer if you start both early and end them late by 1 minute?

[David_Levin]

I'm not sure what you mean, but I like the way it works.

I set up pads on both ends and both tuners are used to accomodate.

If there's a 3rd program on another channel, the pads must be set to 0 to free up the other tuner (or even better - bring in OTA and have 3 tuners). Negative pads would help here - supposedly, they are coming.

[Paradox-sj]

It really doesnt have anything to do with the pad you set or shows running long although it makes the issue worse.

If you have two shows that are back to back the software stops recording the first show to start the second. In the process it cuts the end of the first show to start the beggining of the second because it is using the same tuner to record both shows.

[Rogueone]

As it is today if you schedule two back to back recording on the same channel they will always record on the same tuner. (I so hate this feature)

One of the major problems this casues is the ending of the first program is always on the beggining of the second program. So if you happen to watch the second recorded program first and you happen to delete it when you are done...you dont get to see how the first recored program ends.:nono2:

Do you know how many time I have missed the end of Lost cos some one deleted Invasion?

At the very least you can make this an option cant you?

I do believe you are mistaken, and it's how you are setting things up, which mode you are in, which is causing the conflict. Are you in dualmode by chance? When I set up back 2 back shows and no other show is recording, I get it from different tuners. As to the lost/invasion issue, are you NBR'ing or timer recording? If i recall my guide shows lost running a few minutes over and records accordingly. If yours isn't doing that, adjust the timer for invasion to start a couple minutes late, allowing the lost buffer to keep running.

but I'm guessing you are in dual mode and the box is trying to use tv2 for both.

[liferules]

Do they record on the same timer if you start both early and end them late by 1 minute?

Not exactly... The 622 would require you to use 2 different tuners (of your 2 or 3 total) due to overlap. It's not smart enough to understand that one show will be on the same channel so to cancel the 1 minute late pad on the 1st show, thus only using one tuner...

The problem with these "cute" start and stop times of popular shows is that they waste tuners...you end up using tuner 1 for every other hour essentially due to it impinging on the next hour by 1 minute, thus negating its ability to record any other show... That's why I wish Dish would allow us the ability to choose the "option" of recording a lower prioritized show starting late if necessary (i.e. timers otherwise used up) rather than not recording it at all...

Pretty frustrating to me, but what's a person to do?

[David_Levin]

If you're recording both Lost and Invasion with the (one) OTA tuner, then, yes you're stuck. You will not be able to pad the end of Lost and Start of Invasion.

Paradox: I'm in single mode. Roguene may have figured it out. If you're in dual mode the box may not have access to both tuners.

[Paradox-sj]

If you're recording both Lost and Invasion with the (one) OTA tuner, then, yes you're stuck. You will not be able to pad the end of Lost and Start of Invasion.

Paradox: I'm in single mode. Roguene may have figured it out. If you're in dual mode the box may not have access to both tuners.

I am also in single mode and I realize that with only one OTA tuner there is nothing one can do but I am talking about recording from SAT not OTA.

This feature I speak of USED TO BE ON THE 942 until they changed it to what it is today on both recievers.

Again even if you dont use pads and even if the show does not run long it will always use the same tuner to record back to back shows on the same channel.
It is this restriction that could be a user option that I want brought back.

[SaltiDawg]

I am also in single mode and I realize that with only one OTA tuner there is nothing one can do but I am talking about recording from SAT not OTA.
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I do not operate a 622 and I have only had a 942 for a week - having moved up from a pair of 508's.

I'm probably mistaken, but why not create the timer for the first hour on TV-1 and then go to Dual Mode and create the second timer on TV-2. Go back to Single mode.

Problem solved? (Likely I'm missing something. :lol: )

EDIT: I tried it and it works.

[David_Levin]

Paradox,

I have "The Unit" set up to record from the West Coast CBS Feed. I have padding on both sides.

Last night there were two back-2-back episodes.

Looking at the scheduled events list it caught both events, with one using tuner 1 the the other using tuner 2 (I haven't watched it yet, but I assume it recorded correctly).

I saw this with Back-2-Back BattleStar Galactica as well.

Perhaps something different happens when it's different back-to-back events. But, I've never seen the 622 ignore the set pads (like the 921). If it can't get the 2nd tuner it skips the lower priority event.

[CABill]

If one puts a single minute of pad to overlap, it guarantees that back to back shows on the same channel can't use the same output.

Back to back shows on the same channel don't necessarily use the same output in the first place when there is no pad to force it away.

Changing Single-Dual will reschedule everything - the timers don't have an output (really not a tuner anyhow) where they are going to record. It is known (but not displayed) which remote created the timer. They are just to be recorded. Doing a toggle of Dual-Single can make a Timer get skipped that wouldn't have been skipped if left in the current mode. Not common, but it happens.

With Dual mode on, Record plus enabled (automatic if Single), the highest priority timer will go to the Record Plus output picked. If there is another timer to start and it was requested with the remote that ISN'T the Record Plus output, it will go to the other Output. I'm talking Sat only and ignoring the OTA TV1.

Assume Dual mode, Record+ is TV2. Using TV2 remote, setup a 10:30AM recording for sat channel X. Then use TV1 remote to setup back to back 10AM and 10:30AM recordings on channel Y. The Guide now shows me Output 2 for the 1st half hour of channel Y and Output 1 for the 2nd half hour (output 2 is busy then). At that point 10 and 10:30 will use different outputs. Now, delete the 10:30 timer for channel X. Both channel Y back-to-back timers are now using TV2. Attempt to use the TV2 remote to create the 10:30AM on channel X. It says there is a conflict with the 10:30 on Channel Y. OK that, and move the priority of this new timer up. Now you will get 10AM Y and 10:30AM X, but 10:30AM Y is X'd out as a conflict. Switch from Dual to Single. There no longer is a conflict. Switch back to Dual, and you again have a conflict and only one 10:30 show will record.

This is current and former 942 behavior and I can't guarantee it matches 622 behavior. And for me, Output 2 doesn't always use Tuner 2. There isn't a 1-to-1 correspondence with Sat tuner and output number.

Edit: I had some X/Y issues, maybe still do!