Combine AT9 Dish w/ Existing SatC Dish? Trees!

[veryoldschool]

Fo71; im very interested on adding 99 to this setup, (i have this exact setup of 4 separate dish, no 99) i really need 99 for my sunday ticket. i dont mind if i loose 119, as i get my locals from 103 now.
were you able to do it? just curious as how did you do it.
thanks!
I'm not sure how far "south" you are, but it might be better to take your question to PM [PM Fo71], as this thread has been "restricted" to reception "within the US".

[tacua]

Will someone tell me what HD channels(DTV) are transmitted on both 110 and 119 sats. The lyngsat pages are not accurate and updated, thanks,

[curt8403]

Will someone tell me what HD channels(DTV) are transmitted on both 110 and 119 sats. The lyngsat pages are not accurate and updated, thanks,
meaning the same channel on both 110 and 119 or just the channels that are on those two sats

[tacua]

meaning the same channel on both 110 and 119 or just the channels that are on those two sats

Just the HD channels on 110 ex.= espnhd- channel 73, etc,etc
and 119= ex. hbohd -channel 70, etc,etc

[curt8403]

Just the HD channels on 110 ex.= espnhd- channel 73, etc,etc
and 119= ex. hbohd -channel 70, etc,etc

right, the channels in the 70s and maybe 80s, but they are redundants, and are about to be removed.

[tacua]

Why would D* would want to remove the 70,s and 80,s?
I get a better Q picture in the Ku sats than the Ka sats.
Even if they are redundant , they give us a crispier and clearer picture.

[harsh]

Why would D* would want to remove the 70,s and 80,s?
I get a better Q picture in the Ku sats than the Ka sats.Satellite service is all about bandwidth and the Ka versions take less space that will allow DIRECTV to add new services.

[litzdog911]

Why would D* would want to remove the 70,s and 80,s?
I get a better Q picture in the Ku sats than the Ka sats.
Even if they are redundant , they give us a crispier and clearer picture.

Really? Many of us have compared those MPEG2 HD channels with the newer MPEG4 versions and find that the MPEG4 versions look better. Plus they use less bandwidth.

At any rate, those MPEG2 HD channels will be gone in a few months.

[CKNAV]

Why would D* would want to remove the 70,s and 80,s?
I get a better Q picture in the Ku sats than the Ka sats.
Even if they are redundant , they give us a crispier and clearer picture.

Because they are MPEG2 and look a lot worse than MPEG4. If you think that MPEG2 channels look better than MPEG4 versions, you need to check your tv or your vision.

[tacua]

Because they are MPEG2 and look a lot worse than MPEG4. If you think that MPEG2 channels look better than MPEG4 versions, you need to check your tv or your vision.

Why don,t you check your town first(where your getting your MPEG4). Mine come from NYC, channels 80 thru 88.

[tacua]

You mean new HD services on sats 110 and 119?

[tacua]

New HD services on sats 110 and 119?

[veryoldschool]

Why don,t you check your town first(where your getting your MPEG4). Mine come from NYC, channels 80 thru 88.
Those are the "old legacy DNS" channels, where the new MPEG-4 are in the 380-390s.
FWIW: the older MPEG-2 HD has reduced horizontal resolution to reduce bandwidth, that isn't done with the MPEG-4 channels.

[CKNAV]

Why don,t you check your town first(where your getting your MPEG4). Mine come from NYC, channels 80 thru 88.

So do mine as I live in NYC and CT. Also 80 thru 88 are MPEG2 DNS which will be shut down soon. The new MPEG4 national versions are 390 thru 398. NYC MPEG4 locals actually come from D10 satellite and are seperate from DNS feeds. You should check your facts before posting totally wrong information.

[fo71]

Hi there, happy new year. Going back to the escense of this thread, I here post a question:

Do you guys know the difference between the SL3P and DTVAHKAKU lnbs? I mean besides the later one having ports for 110/119 is there other major electronic difference in its design? I ask this because a friend with LOS issues looking at the original four dish setup posted in this thread almost a year back, told me that he was not able to succesfully combine the SL3P lnb for 103 along with separate 110/119 dishes using HS2P splitter/combiners. When connecting 103 legs, signal for both 110 and 119 go away.

Thanks !

[tacua]

Sorry, but I see no difference between channels 80 and 390, and btw i checked my vision and the xbr,s

[br408408]

Hi there, happy new year. Going back to the escense of this thread, I here post a question:

Do you guys know the difference between the SL3P and DTVAHKAKU lnbs? I mean besides the later one having ports for 110/119 is there other major electronic difference in its design? I ask this because a friend with LOS issues looking at the original four dish setup posted in this thread almost a year back, told me that he was not able to succesfully combine the SL3P lnb for 103 along with separate 110/119 dishes using HS2P splitter/combiners. When connecting 103 legs, signal for both 110 and 119 go away.

Thanks !

The SL3P stacks the 101 on both the 99 and the 103. The DTVAHKAKU stacks the 101 only on the 99. The inputs for 110 and 119 are stacked on the 103. The SL3P does this so you will have guide data when tuned to a channel from the 103. With the DTVAHKAKU the guide data would come from the 119 when tuned to a channel from the 103. So, if you try to use an SL3P with combiners and separate dishes, the 101 signal that is always present (even when tuned to the 103) will interfere with the signal from the 110 and 119 from your friends separate dishes.

I sure some else will post a much longer and more technically in depth responce....tone, no tone.....etc, but simply put, this is your freinds problem.

[fo71]

Thanks for your answer, so in other words the SL3P "emulates" 101 guide data as if it was coming from 119 ? So both 101's guide data (or signal) and the 119's guide data on a separate dish both interfere?

Having been explained this, I think that is the whole escense of SL3P right? That you don't need to have signal from 119.

Thanks again !

[nskatp]

Still no solution on how to use 3 separate dishes for 101, 99 and 103?, a 2-dish solution for 101 and 103 was posted earlier, wondering if someone found a way to have 1 dish per sat for 101, 99 and 103.

[veryoldschool]

Still no solution on how to use 3 separate dishes for 101, 99 and 103?, a 2-dish solution for 101 and 103 was posted earlier, wondering if someone found a way to have 1 dish per sat for 101, 99 and 103.
"Normally" within the US you can get 99 & 101 on the same dish, since they're only 2 degrees apart.
This thread was started for the 101, 110, 119 SATs. Since they're spacing is much farther apart, trees [etc.] can have been more of a problem. Since the new Ka SATs are so close to 101, there shouldn't be a problem.
Those outside of the US may have problems, but since this would be considered "hacking" DirecTV service, this forum won't support it.

[harsh]

Still no solution on how to use 3 separate dishes for 101, 99 and 103?, a 2-dish solution for 101 and 103 was posted earlier, wondering if someone found a way to have 1 dish per sat for 101, 99 and 103.Ka LNBs are few and far between and that seems likely to be a big hurdle.

[doctor j]

As more experiments come to mind , I continue to try to make simple things hard.

I've seen several reports of attempts to separate 99/101/103 sat signals from one another for rare LOS issues.
Difficulty in separating 99/101 has been discussed elsewhere.

I've come across a very novel solution I believe using diplexors as band pass (and power pass) filters.
Powering the LNB's of 2 slimlines separately and combining 99 and 101 via the diplexor will get 99 conus (Ka Low) and 101 Ku.
Don't think this is a complete solution since Ka High (spotbeams) will be stripped out by the TV side of the diplexor.

This however could work for folks with very narrow windows ,needing separate 99 and 103 feeds, and having locals on 103!??

Doctor j

[Voodoo]

Doctor J, have you tried this setup?
Would I need three separate slimlines?

[veryoldschool]

Doctor J, have you tried this setup?
Would I need three separate slimlines?
It's known to work, but is only needed in locations outside of the legal reception area for DirecTV, so can't be discussed here.

[Tom Robertson]

Dr. J's solution still leaves out guide data when tuned to channels on 103°.

The best answer these days is either a SWM based solution or better yet a Slimline 3 solution.

[Voodoo]

With all the migration to 99-101-103 Will we just need one antenna pointed at those three?

[Voodoo]

It's known to work, but is only needed in locations outside of the legal reception area for DirecTV, so can't be discussed here.

Again that is not the intent! I am a proud subscriber of DTV and a long time one too (1997) Since I am planning on going to Puerto Rico for a while I was hoping I could legally get the signal over there and continue to enjoy the large variety of HD channels! It is only through reasearch in this fine website that I can figure it out as customer service is not technical enough to tell me what I need to know! I have figured however that trying to get the 99-101-103 birds in PR would be outside the framwework of what's authorized by DTV because theses sats are apparently not yet broadcasted there. The next question I had was is there a plan to extend the footprint of these sats to that area anytime soon?:)

[veryoldschool]

Again that is not the intent! I am a proud subscriber of DTV and a long time one too (1997) Since I am planning on going to Puerto Rico for a while I was hoping I could legally get the signal over there and continue to enjoy the large variety of HD channels! It is only through reasearch in this fine website that I can figure it out as customer service is not technical enough to tell me what I need to know! I have figured however that trying to get the 99-101-103 birds in PR would be outside the framwework of what's authorized by DTV because theses sats are apparently not yet broadcasted there. The next question I had was is there a plan to extend the footprint of these sats to that area anytime soon?:)
I think why customer service didn't have the information is because the current dishes work without what is described in this thread.
When this thread started, 110 & 119 were needed more than they are now and D10 & D11 SATs hadn't been launched.
With the current SATs and and the new Slimline3, "the most" someone would need for legal reception would now be a Slimline3 and a second dish for 119.
The field of view for 99 to 103 is so narrow, that if anyone were to need three dishes, more than likely isn't a LOS problem, but they're out of the legal reception area and wanting to use larger dishes to point to different locations than what the Slimline3.
The only real activity in this thread for the past six months or so has been from those outside the US. Then the mods have to delete them.

[Stuart Sweet]

At this point, I'm choosing to close this thread. It seems to me that the only possibility for this line of questioning is people trying to get DIRECTV where they have no legal right to.

I don't mean to make such an accusation, so if you have some information about how this would pertain to using DIRECTV service legally, in accord with the Customer Agreement... please send me a private message. Thanks.