61.5,110,119,128,148 Sats

[SMosher]

so we have.

2 Dish 500s each with a DisPro DUAL LNBs
1 Dish 1000 with the normal crap it comes with.
1 DPP44 Switch
1 SW21 Switch

The ides here is to run each of the Dish 500s to the SW21 switch (for 61.5 and the other to 148) then into one port (PORT 4) of the DPP44 switch (Not PORT 1).

The Dish 1000 would run into PORT 1,2,3 for 110,119,129.

I am currently under the impression this will allow me to nab 5 sat locations.

[CABill]

A SW21 works with Legacy LNBs and switches. It does NOT work with DishPro anything.

Sorry.

[SMosher]

A SW21 works with Legacy LNBs and switches. It does NOT work with DishPro anything.

Sorry.

Ok, thanks for the info.

[James Long]

Depending on the receivers you want to feed the signal TO DP21's can be used to add the fifth satellite.

You cannot put a switch on the inputs to the DPP44 ... those four input lines must come directly from the dishes. But you can add DP21's on the outputs of the DPP44 to add the fifth satellite. The output of the DP21 can only feed a single tuner on the receiver, so if you're feeding a 322/522/625/622 you'll need a pair of DP21s and a second cable run to the receiver. If that 5th satellite needs to go to more than one receiver you will need the appropriate DP splitters and multiple DP21s.

Note these are DP21s, not SW21s.

I've got a five slot setup where certain receivers see all five slots and others don't.

[SMosher]

Depending on the receivers you want to feed the signal TO DP21's can be used to add the fifth satellite.

You cannot put a switch on the inputs to the DPP44 ... those four input lines must come directly from the dishes. But you can add DP21's on the outputs of the DPP44 to add the fifth satellite. The output of the DP21 can only feed a single tuner on the receiver, so if you're feeding a 322/522/625/622 you'll need a pair of DP21s and a second cable run to the receiver. If that 5th satellite needs to go to more than one receiver you will need the appropriate DP splitters and multiple DP21s.

Note these are DP21s, not SW21s.

I've got a five slot setup where certain receivers see all five slots and others don't.

Thanks James.
The output to my of the DPP44 can go into dish1 on the DP21 and the other dish2 input would be the dish pointed at 148. The output of the DP21 would then run to my 622.

If that holds true can I still use the splitter behind my 622 to feed both tuners? nm Cause the splitter dont work on the DP21s.

[James Long]

The 622 is a dual tuner receiver. You would need two DP21s and two feeds to the receiver. The splitter (separator) that one uses with a DPP44 doesn't work with a DP21.

You will also need to use the power inserter on your DPP44 switch. Place it between the DP21 and the DPP44 output 1 (unless you have a second receiver that doesn't need the fifth sat).

[SMosher]

The 622 is a dual tuner receiver. You would need two DP21s and two feeds to the receiver. The splitter (separator) that one uses with a DPP44 doesn't work with a DP21.

You will also need to use the power inserter on your DPP44 switch. Place it between the DP21 and the DPP44 output 1 (unless you have a second receiver that doesn't need the fifth sat).

Great! Got it. Time to buy some DP21s.

James as always thanks a ton for your input.

[SMosher]

After looking at my current puzzle I've come to realize maybe just turning the dish thats currently at 61.5 to 148 would be possible.

What do I have to lose?

Which sat locations do you have James?

[James Long]

The HD Demo channel is only on 61.5° --- everything else is mirrored between 61.5° and 148°, so I'd say you have nothing to lose.

I was paying attention to "how to get five" so much I didn't think "why do you want five". :)

Mine are 119° 110° 118° 129° on the DP44 and 61.5° on the DP21's.
My ViP 622 and extra 301 isn't wired to get 61.5° .
My Vip 211 and 501 are the ones connected to 61.5° .

I originally had the setup with a SuperDish105 for locals - now my locals are on 119° I added 118° for the fun of it. :)

[SMosher]

The HD Demo channel is only on 61.5° --- everything else is mirrored between 61.5° and 148°, so I'd say you have nothing to lose.

I was paying attention to "how to get five" so much I didn't think "why do you want five". :)

Mine are 119° 110° 118° 129° on the DP44 and 61.5° on the DP21's.
My ViP 622 and extra 301 isn't wired to get 61.5° .
My Vip 211 and 501 are the ones connected to 61.5° .

I originally had the setup with a SuperDish105 for locals - now my locals are on 119° I added 118° for the fun of it. :)


Exactly. Why the heck do I need the 5? I see that on 148 they have HBOHD West and East. Plus some other stuff thats in MPEG4.

[James Long]

I forgot about the "high def" HBO and SHO over there on 148°. IIRC they are a higher bit rate than the ones on 110° so having them wouldn't hurt.

[SMosher]

Thats the idea.

Thanks James.

[garys]

The only channel you may lose by not having 61.5 is the east coast feed of cbs. Of course if you do not qualify for it, or subscribe to it, you wouldn't be seeing it anyway. But you should be able to pick up the west coast feed on 148 in this case.

[SMosher]

The only channel you may lose by not having 61.5 is the east coast feed of cbs. Of course if you do not qualify for it, or subscribe to it, you wouldn't be seeing it anyway. But you should be able to pick up the west coast feed on 148 in this case.


Nope, no Distant sub here. I got everything else E* offers in my language. HD Platinum, FoxSportsPak, WB Superstation pak. And now NHL-CI. :D

[Michael P]

The only thing you wouild need 61.5 for is Sky Angel. Seeing that you are in California, it's long-shot weather or not you can even get a good look at 61.5.

[SMosher]

The only thing you wouild need 61.5 for is Sky Angel. Seeing that you are in California, it's long-shot weather or not you can even get a good look at 61.5.

61.5 is clear as a bell. Pretty bad I get a better signal on 61.5 than 129 :P

[SMosher]

I don't see why this wouldn't work.

[whatchel1]

Exactly. Why the heck do I need the 5? I see that on 148 they have HBOHD West and East. Plus some other stuff thats in MPEG4.
There is HBO HD & SHO HD on the 148 bird but isn't a W version. It is the same feed as 110 but a diff #. I have 61.5, 110/119, & 148. On my schedule it shows 2 different HBO & SHO but they are the same. Wish it was a W coast version. :(

[SMosher]

There is HBO HD & SHO HD on the 148 bird but isn't a W version. It is the same feed as 110 but a diff #. I have 61.5, 110/119, & 148. On my schedule it shows 2 different HBO & SHO but they are the same. Wish it was a W coast version. :(


I see. I do see HBOWest and East with MPEG4 formats. Which rec are you using?

[whatchel1]

I see. I do see HBOWest and East with MPEG4 formats. Which rec are you using?

VIP 622 HBO HD ch 9440 & 9456 / SHO HD 9430 & 9460 these have the same time schedule. These all show up on my All HD guide as well as one that I have made for myself.

[KKlare]

IIRC HBO-HD is MPEG-2 as it has always been. SHO-HD too, I think. Now Starz is MPEG-4 and more grief.
-Ken

[SMosher]

IIRC HBO-HD is MPEG-2 as it has always been. SHO-HD too, I think. Now Starz is MPEG-4 and more grief.
-Ken

Ok, just read this http://www.lyngsat.com/packages/dish148.html and figured it was true.

[KKlare]

That's TP5. Down on TP17 it's Nagravision 2 HD (MPEG2?) and channel numbers 9440/9430, which correspond to Dish numbers.
-Ken

[SMosher]

That's TP5. Down on TP17 it's Nagravision 2 HD (MPEG2?) and channel numbers 9440/9430, which correspond to Dish numbers.
-Ken


On TP5 what does that mean? Cause I'm really not sure. PArdon the stupid questions I just don't know.

[KKlare]

Transponder number, usually 1 to 36 or so, skipping some.
Each transponder holds up to say 4 HD or 13 SD channels.
Limit is like slightly less than 3 MPEG-2 channels but more MPEG-4 ones.
Thus if HDNet and HDNet Movies as on one then either a narrow bit-rate HD could be added or they have to reduce the rate on one of those. This is one reason to go to MPEG-4 but it has longer runs before it gets a full (I?) frame so an error causes a longer gap. The local-into-local (LIL) HD channels are all MPEG-4 except possibly NYC to get more per transponder. The original HD channels were MPEG-2, some additions have MPEG-4 headers including "newer" VOOM ones. Only the originals are useable by 921 and 942 and 6000 (?).
-Ken

[James Long]

1-32 total ... any skipped would be licensed to DirecTV or not used at this time.

105 and 118 have only 24 transponders --- they divided the 500MHz there a bit differently than the normal DBS satellites and 121.

[SonicBee777]

KKLare - thanks! That's one of the best and at the same time most compact explanations of the differences between MPEG-2 and MPEG-4 and how they're handled by the satellites that I've ever seen.

[SMosher]

Transponder number, usually 1 to 36 or so, skipping some.
Each transponder holds up to say 4 HD or 13 SD channels.
Limit is like slightly less than 3 MPEG-2 channels but more MPEG-4 ones.
Thus if HDNet and HDNet Movies as on one then either a narrow bit-rate HD could be added or they have to reduce the rate on one of those. This is one reason to go to MPEG-4 but it has longer runs before it gets a full (I?) frame so an error causes a longer gap. The local-into-local (LIL) HD channels are all MPEG-4 except possibly NYC to get more per transponder. The original HD channels were MPEG-2, some additions have MPEG-4 headers including "newer" VOOM ones. Only the originals are useable by 921 and 942 and 6000 (?).
-Ken

that portion I understand. My question I guess is on Tp5. I wouldn't see those listed as MPEG4 on my TV?

[whatchel1]

Ok, just read this http://www.lyngsat.com/packages/dish148.html and figured it was true.

I'm sure that it is true. 1 minor thing these are in test mode and not available to the public yet. I doubt that they want to here more about how bad the MPEG 4. They want to keep it in test till they get it working fairly well. I have sent an email to (someone who usually knows) find out if this is the case.

[SMosher]

Thanks for all the info. I feel smarter now. Of course my wife still calls me an idiot. :)

[SMosher]

we got the 5 sat locations working!

[James Long]

Two 510's off the same port on the DPP44 will conflict with each other. Especially with a DC Pass splitter.

[SMosher]

Two 510's off the same port on the DPP44 will conflict with each other. Especially with a DC Pass splitter.

FUNNY YOU SHOULD MENTION THAT!

I just now ran into that issue. Bleh, don't make me purchase another DPP44 :P

[James Long]

You could get away with a DP34 if there is a 510 that doesn't need to see all four inputs to the DPP44.

[SMosher]

I do have 2 of those laying around in the DISHJUNK box. could slave it off the DPP44 for just 110 and 119 right?

[SMosher]

I do have 2 of those laying around in the DISHJUNK box. could slave it off the DPP44 for just 110 and 119 right?


Ok, ran the 1,2,3 ports off the DPP44 into the DP34 switch and ran both 510s off that.

Check switch .... Sees 110,119 and 148. (Big deal on the 148 but it works)

[SMosher]

All done. No funky strange things anymore. Thanks James for the help!