Harmony remote change

[hankjr]

I have the 880. I updated the remote yesterday and now the 15 minute skip has been replaced with the 30 second skip.

Did Harmony change something? Is there a way to get the 15 minute skip back?

Thanx

[LameLefty]

Skip-to-tick on my 880 requires that you hold the FF button for three seconds, then tap it again to go the next tick. Do the same thing with the RW button to go to the previous tick. To go to the end you do the same with the 30-Second Slip button, and to go to the beginning you do the same with the Skip Back button.

Are you saying that in the last few days the Harmony site has changed the codes? That would well and truly suck.

[hankjr]

Skip-to-tick on my 880 requires that you hold the FF button for three seconds, then tap it again to go the next tick. Do the same thing with the RW button to go to the previous tick. To go to the end you do the same with the 30-Second Slip button, and to go to the beginning you do the same with the Skip Back button.

Are you saying that in the last few days the Harmony site has changed the codes? That would well and truly suck.
Mine used to do the same as you just wrote, until I updated. Now it just has the 30 second skip. I can't get to any ticks. I can go to the end by holding down the ff button

[tiger2005]

Mine used to do the same as you just wrote, until I updated. Now it just has the 30 second skip. I can't get to any ticks. I can go to the end by holding down the ff button

So you don't have to hold the FF button down for 3 sec., let go, and hit the FF button again?

[PoitNarf]

If your Harmony isn't behaving normally for all the buttons, you can always manually learn the command from the original HR20 remote and map them to the appropriate buttons.

[PoitNarf]

So you don't have to hold the FF button down for 3 sec., let go, and hit the FF button again?

Afaik, you still have to hold down for 3 sec, release, and press again to get skip to tick or skip to start/end to work. Unless they changed something in 0xEB?

[tiger2005]

Afaik, you still have to hold down for 3 sec, release, and press again to get skip to tick or skip to start/end to work. Unless they changed something in 0xEB?

Or unless they changed the codes on the Harmony remote to match the codes on the D* remote. That is what I was asking hankjr to confirm. The hold the button, let go, hit it again is fairly annoying on the 880.

[PoitNarf]

Or unless they changed the codes on the Harmony remote to match the codes on the D* remote. That is what I was asking hankjr to confirm. The hold the button, let go, hit it again is fairly annoying on the 880.

They already do match the same commands. The D* remotes send out a different command after those buttons have been held down for 3+ seconds.

[tiger2005]

They already do match the same commands. The D* remotes send out a different command after those buttons have been held down for 3+ seconds.

OK. I'm sorry for being confused, but how is it a different command from the one the 880 is sending while holding the button? Is the initial button press signal different from the one that is being sent while holding the button?

[RunnerFL]

OK. I'm sorry for being confused, but how is it a different command from the one the 880 is sending while holding the button? Is the initial button press signal different from the one that is being sent while holding the button?

The D* remote knows to send out a second signal after the FF or RW is held down more than 3 seconds, the 880 does not.

[PoitNarf]

The D* remote knows to send out a second signal after the FF or RW is held down more than 3 seconds, the 880 does not.

Yeah, seems like a strange way D* implemented this.

[LameLefty]

I think they did it so the "smarts" of skipping to tick or to beginning/end is in the remote rather than making the HR20 keep track of timing the receipt of the IR or RF code. Each function is a discrete, separately-coded event to the HR20. Functionally, there's no reason why the Harmony couldn't be programmed to do it the same way. I haven't had to reprogram or update my 880 in the two weeks we've had it so I can't speak to whether there's been a change or not myself.

[RunnerFL]

Yeah, seems like a strange way D* implemented this.

Probably another attempt by them to be original and do their own thing.

[hankjr]

Let me explain more clearly what happens now.

Before I updated yesterday, I would hold the FF button down for approx. 3 seconds, lift up and hit it again then it would go to the next tick. Now if I do the same process it skips to the end...everytime.

hankjr

[PoitNarf]

Before I updated yesterday, I would hold the FF button down for approx. 3 seconds, lift up and hit it again then it would go to the next tick. Now if I do the same process it skips to the end...everytime.

Curious. I'll give it a try when my HR20 gets the new update, whenever that will be.

[BubblePuppy]

What model # did ya'll put in to your 880? Logitech told me to put in H15. I tried to put in HR20 yesterday but some of the buttons didn't work so I went back to H15.
I went through the setup with tech, putting in HR20, tried to teach the 880 IR commands and that didn't seem to work.

[tiger2005]

What model # did ya'll put in to your 880? Logitech told me to put in H15. I tried to put in HR20 yesterday but some of the buttons didn't work so I went back to H15.
I went through the setup with tech, putting in HR20, tried to teach the 880 IR commands and that didn't seem to work.

I have been using the HR20 codes with my 880 and everything has been pretty smooth except for the skip to tick, skip to end features. I did do a little more customization on the LCD screen than I had done previously with my T60, but that didn't very long at all.

[BubblePuppy]

I have been using the HR20 codes with my 880 and everything has been pretty smooth except for the skip to tick, skip to end features. I did do a little more customization on the LCD screen than I had done previously with my T60, but that didn't very long at all.

Did you put in HR20 as the model # or HR20-700?

[tiger2005]

Did you put in HR20 as the model # or HR20-700?

HR20-700

[Vinny]

Curious. I'll give it a try when my HR20 gets the new update, whenever that will be.

I think Hankjr is talking about when he updated his Harmony remote. What he's saying is that he previously held 3 secs and then tapped. Now when he holds it doesn't skip to next tic, it does a 30 min skip. Something must have changed on the Harmony site.

My Harmony is working fine, however I haven't updated it since September. I also coded the LCD with the color codes to correspond with the color buttons on the HR20 remote; and they work fine.

[tiger2005]

hankjr did you just update your remote via the Harmony website or did you have to go through the entire configuration of the HR20 again?

[cpbergie]

The D* remote knows to send out a second signal after the FF or RW is held down more than 3 seconds, the 880 does not.

So if this is true, can't we capture the exact code for skip to tick, and skip 30 minutes and program that into the LCD on its own? For me holding ff for 3 seconds and then pressing it again doesnt always work.

[ShapeGSX]

So if this is true, can't we capture the exact code for skip to tick, and skip 30 minutes and program that into the LCD on its own? For me holding ff for 3 seconds and then pressing it again doesnt always work.



I'm going to try that tonight.

I'll learn a new code on the harmony web site. Then hold the HR20 remote away from the Harmony and hold FFWD down for 3 seconds. Then aim the HR20 remote at the Harmony and tap FFWD. If I do that, I should capture the skip to tick code and I can program it into the LCD.

[RunnerFL]

So if this is true, can't we capture the exact code for skip to tick, and skip 30 minutes and program that into the LCD on its own? For me holding ff for 3 seconds and then pressing it again doesnt always work.

No, because the harmony learning grabs the signal as soon as it picks one up. It won't wait for you to tell it to stop learning.

[RunnerFL]

I'm going to try that tonight.

I'll learn a new code on the harmony web site. Then hold the HR20 remote away from the Harmony and hold FFWD down for 3 seconds. Then aim the HR20 remote at the Harmony and tap FFWD. If I do that, I should capture the skip to tick code and I can program it into the LCD.

I've already tried it. The second you hit FF the harmony will stop learning.

[sorahl]

Heck I can't even get the software to recognize that the HR20 is capable of changing channels! I have called them 3 times and changed what we call it (now we are using HR15-100... ) and it STILL says i have to add a device capable of changing channels!

[Radio Enginerd]

I've already tried it. The second you hit FF the harmony will stop learning.Yes but what if you take the original remote and hold FF down for 3 secs (while pointed AWAY from the Harmony) then let go, point it at the Harmony and tap FF again? You'd have to do it quick... Any thoughts? I think I understand what this person is trying to do...

[avatar230]

Yes but what if you take the original remote and hold FF down for 3 secs (while pointed AWAY from the Harmony) then let go, point it at the Harmony and tap FF again? You'd have to do it quick... Any thoughts? I think I understand what this person is trying to do...

I tried this and got the Harmony to recognize the command, but sending just that second command from the Harmony only made the HR20 enter FF mode (I think at 2x -- I did it a month ago so my memory is hazy)... If anyone has better luck, I'd be interested to hear about it.

[tiger2005]

Just updating my 880 on the Harmony website did not make any changes for my remote. I still have to hold, let go, push.

[RunnerFL]

Just updating my 880 on the Harmony website did not make any changes for my remote. I still have to hold, let go, push.

And you always will.


There is no way to get the 880 to send the 2 different signals that are required to skip to tick.

[tiger2005]

Someone was able to do it, although not with an 880. Check post #19.

http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=67603

[pgiralt]

Heck I can't even get the software to recognize that the HR20 is capable of changing channels! I have called them 3 times and changed what we call it (now we are using HR15-100... ) and it STILL says i have to add a device capable of changing channels!

I bet you have your activity configured for 'Watch TiVo' instead of 'Watch PVR'. I had the same problem when I switch from my DirecTivo to the HR20. Just delete the activity and create a new one based off 'Watch PVR' and it should work.

[sorahl]

You should work for Harmony... That fixed the issue immediately!!! :)

U da man!


Thanks

Sorahl

[hankjr]

Are you using Software version 7.02 to program your 880? I don't have the option for watching PVR in setting up the remote

Hankjr

[jbongiovi]

I may be missing the boat, but someone on one of the forums found a way to send a double signal with a Harmony remote (for the HR20's double Guide press) by learning a DirecTV Guide signal and then mapping it to the TV (which won't' recognize it) while also mapping it to the HR20.

Try searching under "remote" and "guide" for the details.

I'm thinking it's an easy way to send two signals and may be adaptable to different situations.

[pgiralt]

Are you using Software version 7.02 to program your 880? I don't have the option for watching PVR in setting up the remote

Hankjr

Yes, I am using 7.0.2 on Mac OS X