Dual Live Buffers Vs. Remote Access [Archive]

Doug Brott

12-18-06, 12:47 PM

Does that survey have anything implemented to stop people from voting more than once?

No, but it does make an effort to limit the amount of input from the same source. The Survey changes weekly based on some guidelines that have been posted in the HR20 Wish List Survey (http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=68183) thread. In addition, you may change your mind over time about what is most important to you. Everyone is allowed to participate in the forum up to 4 times per day (once per six hours). If you haven't participated in a while, please do so again.

Oliwa

12-18-06, 12:48 PM

I know a lot of sports fans love the DLB feature, but come on! You have a work around albeit somewhat of a pain. There is no work around for remote access that I know of.

Jeremy W

12-18-06, 12:51 PM

There is no work around for remote access that I know of.
There is Slingbox, but that's overkill and just barely qualifies as a workaround.

joejhawk

12-18-06, 12:51 PM

I know a lot of sports fans love the DLB feature, but come on! You have a work around albeit somewhat of a pain. There is no work around for remote access that I know of.

The workaround for remote access is to schedule your recordings before you leave the house. That "workaround" is just as practical as the DLB "workaround".

Jeremy W

12-18-06, 12:53 PM

The workaround for remote access is to schedule your recordings before you leave the house. That "workaround" is just as practical as the DLB "workaround".
Oh please. :rolleyes:

You DLB fanatics are pathetic.

paulman182

12-18-06, 12:54 PM

I have no need for either.

jclark

12-18-06, 01:24 PM

Oh please. :rolleyes:

You DLB fanatics are pathetic.

That is funny. I am not sure that there are any DLB fanatics out there. I know that are people that really want the feature, but life goes on.

What gets me is that the anti-DLB people seem to be more aggressive than the DLB pepole. If you don't use it, great for you! But why do you not want it added to the box? I can understand that it is not a priority for you, but you come across as "I don't want this nasty DLB functionality to ever touch my box." It seem that somehow having a box with dual live buffers will dimish it's value. I don't get it.

btmoore

12-18-06, 01:35 PM

Oh please. :rolleyes:

You DLB fanatics are pathetic.

Why so negative about DLB? Assuming it gets implemented it is a optional feature for you to use. What about DLB would be a negative for the user or for you? If you don't see the need to move between two buffers don't do it, I am confused by your deep animosity and anger that you would call the bulk of the user community that wants the feature fanatics and even worse you personally attack them by calling them pathetic. It is just a shame that you feel the need to name call others who would like to see some of the same basic functionality in this product as they had in D* prior DVR products.

Jeremy W

12-18-06, 01:38 PM

Why so negative about DLB?
I don't care about it, and there are many things I'd rather see implemented before DLB. I am just stating my own opinion on the issue, just like everyone else.

jheda

12-18-06, 01:40 PM

Oh please. :rolleyes:

You DLB fanatics are pathetic.

Fanatics? where do you see dlb lovers with no remote access avatars? come on jeremy, like the previous poster said its rational to like one feature over the other, its weird DISsing the other...........

dixoncider

12-18-06, 01:43 PM

I have a slingbox already so DLB

Jeremy W

12-18-06, 01:45 PM

Fanatics? where do you see dlb lovers with no remote access avatars? come on jeremy, like the previous poster said its rational to like one feature over the other, its weird DISsing the other...........
It's not like DLB and remote access are mutually exclusive. I am just against DLB, because I'd rather see everything else come first.

Mixer

12-18-06, 01:46 PM

I used to want DLB a lot more than I do now. My wife used it for kids programming for my daughter a lot more than we ever did for ourselves. DLB are great if you are forced to watch Live TV. Since I got my HR20 I would say that has been about 4 or 5 times total. I still have my Tivo R10 upstaris and can not rememebr the last time I used DLB on it. If I had it back on the HR20 I would more than likely use it but at this point anything to do with the network features interests me more.

jheda

12-18-06, 01:49 PM

jeremy if hr2o gets dlb ill buy you a sling box for your bday......but i cant buy dlb...amazing during baseball season watching 2 games at once....

btmoore

12-18-06, 01:50 PM

I don't care about it, and there are many things I'd rather see implemented before DLB. I am just stating my own opinion on the issue, just like everyone else.

Unlike everyone else you decided to call us pathetic because you did not agree with the opinion.

jheda

12-18-06, 01:55 PM

poll results.......dlb #1, remote #16, the masses have spoken

DblD_Indy

12-18-06, 01:58 PM

REMOTE ACCESS!!!!!!

F DLB! :nono2:

BUY A SLING BOX ! http://www.slingmedia.com/indexa.php

My two previous generations of D*TV DVR's have never had remote access, but have always have had DLB!

I watch TV at home. If your boss is willing to pay you to watch it by remote then drop the $$$ and get a sling box or put it on your company card.

For those of us who want to watch two or three things at the time and have the mental capacity to do so then let us get our DLB back!

Jeremy W

12-18-06, 02:02 PM

My two previous generations of D*TV DVR's have never had remote access
Yeah, well mine did.

Doug Brott

12-18-06, 02:08 PM

http://www.dbstalk.com/image.php?u=22770&dateline=1166473521 vs http://www.justj.net/misc/smilies/S-A-DLB.gif

Hey, I'm in the DLB camp and don't even care if there is remote access or not (I have a SlingBox.) But, if Remote Access comes first I certainly won't cry. I do want my DLB, though :) .

Like your Avatar Jeremy - but I don't agree with you.

jbstix

12-18-06, 02:15 PM

Yeah, well mine did.

Having a bad day Jeremy W? Good grief - made your own anti-DLB avatar and everything... thats commitment - a little silly, but committed none the less.
I can't wait for DLB. I've had DLB since I first got D* back in '02 with my first DVR DSR6000, and then with my HR10-250. I had remote access to my DTivo's b/c I hacked both and had network access - although I didn't use it very much, but having the ability was cool. But, DLB's I used everyday on both boxes - very, very useful to me, ecspecially during football season.
I'm all for DLB, but do we really need another poll?

Happy Holidays..

BubblePuppy

12-18-06, 02:20 PM

Oh please. :rolleyes:

You DLB fanatics are pathetic.

And you're not? :nono2:

jaywdetroit

12-18-06, 02:20 PM

This post is right at Jeremy because I'm a little amazed that he is jumping on the ANTI-DLB bandwagon. (or rather starting it).

This is not a flame. If it comes off that way, flame me, and I will try to restate myself.

Why would we want to limit this box? Just because remote scheduling is WAY down on my list of priorities, that doesn't mean I'm going to start lobbying D* and this board to go against it.

Any new feature is a bonus for everyone. I know YOU want remote scheduling, so why would I lobby everyone to be against it? I will support D* getting it, just like I supported OTA, though I really don't NEED it.

This board has been successful because we have come together (yeah - like the song). Let's not divide.

Jeremy W

12-18-06, 02:24 PM

Why would we want to limit this box?
I don't want to limit the box. Once DirecTV has added all of the features I want to see in the HR20, then I will have no problem with them adding DLB. But for now, every developer they have working on DLB (if there are any) is a developer that isn't being used to add a feature that I actually care about. So I'm not really saying that I don't want to ever see DLB on the HR20, I just don't want DirecTV to spend their time on it right now. I'd rather see them focus on other things.

Oliwa

12-18-06, 02:30 PM

I for one think Jeremy's avatar is pretty funny.

I am definitely not against DLB, but I'm with Jeremy because there are features I would like to see added first. D* activating the Ethernet port brings a tons of cool things I'd like to see this thing do.

btmoore

12-18-06, 02:33 PM

I don't want to limit the box. Once DirecTV has added all of the features I want to see in the HR20, then I will have no problem with them adding DLB. But for now, every developer they have working on DLB (if there are any) is a developer that isn't being used to add a feature that I actually care about. So I'm not really saying that I don't want to ever see DLB on the HR20, I just don't want DirecTV to spend their time on it right now. I'd rather see them focus on other things.

New avatar recommendation.
http://imagesource.allposters.com/images/impo/ST3388.jpg

jaywdetroit

12-18-06, 02:34 PM

New avatar recommendation.
http://imagesource.allposters.com/images/impo/ST3388.jpg

now thats funny

HolmesCo

12-18-06, 02:35 PM

I know a lot of sports fans love the DLB feature, but come on! You have a work around albeit somewhat of a pain. There is no work around for remote access that I know of.

I used DLB far more on regular tv than I do football or baseball. Watch one show, when its commercial comes on, pause, go to another show. Vice versa.

More signifcaintly than that though, to me is the ability to change channels and not lose the buffer from the previous one,,,by pushing that Live TV button (Tivo) to toggle between the two tuners. You cannot do that with the HR 20 and I really miss that and think its unreal that they did not design that into it. Give us 45 mins of each one instead of 90 on just one.

jaywdetroit

12-18-06, 02:37 PM

I used DLB far more on regular tv than I do football or baseball. Watch one show, when its commercial comes on, pause, go to another show. Vice versa.

More signifcaintly than that though, to me is the ability to change channels and not lose the buffer from the previous one,,,by pushing that Live TV button (Tivo) to toggle between the two tuners. You cannot do that with the HR 20 and I really miss that and think its unreal that they did not design that into it. Give us 45 mins of each one instead of 90 on just one.

here here

jclark

12-18-06, 02:37 PM

btmoore... you win! That is the funniest thing I have seen in a long time.

BTW, I voted for DLB. I can see how remote access would be useful to some people. But it is something that I would rarely use if ever.

Jeremy W

12-18-06, 02:39 PM

New avatar recommendation.
Well, it IS all about me. DirecTV is the one who has to worry about pleasing all of their customers, not me. I really don't give two craps if everyone is satisfied with the HR20. All that matters to me is that I'm happy with it. I'd prefer it if the feature's that I want to see would come first, as would everyone else on this board. I just have to be more vocal about my opinion to be heard over the masses shouting the opposite.

JACKIEGAGA

12-18-06, 02:39 PM

Dual Live Buffers!!! GIVE IT TO US NOW!!

jaywdetroit

12-18-06, 02:41 PM

Well, it IS all about me. DirecTV is the one who has to worry about pleasing all of their customers, not me. I really don't give two craps if everyone is satisfied with the HR20. All that matters to me is that I'm happy with it. I'd prefer it if the feature's that I want to see would come first, as would everyone else on this board. I just have to be more vocal about my opinion to be heard over the masses shouting the opposite.

Yeah - but being vocal and being negative are two different things. You seem to be coming down on those of us that want DLB, just because we don't want what you do. I think that is the point some of us might be trying to make.

Blitz7734

12-18-06, 02:43 PM

I am really starting to like the 90 min buffer... so if/when it goes for DBL I will be sad, and I will get over it but I do enjoy it at the present. Needless to say I am starting to hope they keep it as one larger buffer.

MJB *ducks and runs for cover* :)

btmoore

12-18-06, 02:43 PM

Well, it IS all about me.

This is something I think we all can agree that you believe.

Jeremy W

12-18-06, 02:43 PM

You seem to be coming down on those of us that want DLB, just because we don't want what you do. I think that is the point some of us might be trying to make.
I apologize if you see it that way. I am just trying to balance things out. The "pathetic" comment earlier may have been a little over the top, but the post I quoted really pissed me off.

Jeremy W

12-18-06, 02:44 PM

This is something I think we all can agree that you believe.
Give me a break, don't act like everyone else on this board is concerned with making everyone happy. They all want to see their pet features get added before the stuff they don't care about. That's human nature, so get over yourself.

DblD_Indy

12-18-06, 03:01 PM

New avatar recommendation.
http://imagesource.allposters.com/images/impo/ST3388.jpg

ROFL !

BT chucks up a three...... IT IS GOOD !

Meklos

12-18-06, 03:14 PM

Give me a break, don't act like everyone else on this board is concerned with making everyone happy. They all want to see their pet features get added before the stuff they don't care about. That's human nature, so get over yourself.

First he apologizes for an 'over the top' comment, then follows through with "so get over yourself".

Classic. :nono2:

Just J

12-18-06, 03:30 PM

http://www.justj.net/misc/smilies/S-A-DLB.gif

RollTideinHD

12-18-06, 03:36 PM

Slinbox is more than just a work-around! For someone who does a lot of traveling, this is a perfect solution. I was about to cancel my DTV when I found out about the slingbox. I decided to upgrade to HD DVR and also buy a slingbox. Now I will be able to update my new HD DVR as well as watch any of my shows anywhere in the world, right on my computer with a broadband connection.

Doug Brott

12-18-06, 03:36 PM

Monty23

12-18-06, 04:00 PM

For my 2 cents worth the #1 thing I miss from Tivo is the lack of DLB with the ability to instantly switch between tuners and back with one button push. However, everyone has their own wants and needs because everyone uses their equipment differently. I think we need ALL the features implemented. :)

HolmesCo

12-18-06, 04:00 PM

Come on guys, Jeremy's vocal but he's doesn't seem like a bad person. I give him kudos for speaking out, but I would rather see more pro-remote access banter than anti-DLB comments. Let's at least be fair to his position even if we don't agree with him.

Yup! I am all for BOTH! and SOON. DLB just seems a more wide spectrum change, encompasses all your viewing time, vs the convenience and admittelly really cool thing to be able to program your box while at a friends house or internet cafe etc.

I'd love them both, but we have neither. :( But I feel pretty confident we will have both before too much longer. D* does seem to listen and I am grateful for that. But I guess they should listen, wouldn't make much sense for any business not to listen to customers

Nothing ever moves as fast as we want I guess.

BillyBob_jcv

12-18-06, 04:24 PM

I don't need remote access - DLB is much more useful.

MRV between units (like on my hacked dtivos) - THAT'S WHAT I WANT!!!

burnside

12-18-06, 04:27 PM

I don't need remote access - DLB is much more useful.

MRV between units (like on my hacked dtivos) - THAT'S WHAT I WANT!!!

Oooo, that's a tough one. I don't need Remote Access because of Slingbox, but I'd love MRV! I still think I'd lean toward DLB.

Katodude00

12-18-06, 04:30 PM

REMOTE ACCESS!!!!!

I had this on the ReplayTV and loved it. That and commercial skip (which I know we will never get). I miss remote access soooo much.

DblD_Indy

12-18-06, 04:43 PM

Yeah, well mine did.

What unit did you have? Was it really D*TV with TIVO or TIVO.

St Louis Cardinals Fan

12-18-06, 04:45 PM

Both are good features, but I'm leaning for the DLB.

Drewg5

12-18-06, 04:49 PM

Ok I would take remote access anyday over dlb haveing 2 30 min buffers is useless, now 2 90 min ones on the other hand.

kevinwmsn

12-18-06, 05:14 PM

I'll take remote access. I would like to be able to schedule up a recording if something comes up while I'm not at home. It seems like remote access would come along quicker than dual buffers. I would like both, but I would like remote access before dual buffers. Does anyone know of a IR Blaster that can be purchased to work the hr20? I'm looking for one for orb program(kinda like slingbox but free).

bcherry

12-18-06, 05:53 PM

I would get a lot more use out of DLB. I used this feature a lot with
Tivo watching two sporting events at the same time. I personally don't have much need for remote access but would likely use it occassionally if it was available.

richlife

12-18-06, 06:28 PM

http://www.justj.net/misc/smilies/S-A-DLB.gif

I only posted so I could put this cool smily back on. But some other comments...
Boo-o-o-o Jeremy. I used to respect your posts.

Who ever said that DLB meant the end of the 90 min buffer -- give us DL90minB!

iacas

12-18-06, 09:36 PM

DLB for me, please!

And I can say that without negatively commenting on the wishes of others.

Gmaxx

12-18-06, 09:46 PM

I'd love to have my dual live buffers back. It is the feature that I miss the most when watching live TV.

CousCous

12-19-06, 01:28 AM

These two features are so different. Why does it have to be one "vs." the other? They can give us both of them.

So I didn't vote.

If you're asking which should come first then it needs re-worded.

Marty B

12-19-06, 05:55 AM

It's not like DLB and remote access are mutually exclusive. I am just against DLB, because I'd rather see everything else come first.

From the poles on this forum, it is apparent that you are in the minority. Everyone has their wants and dont wants. If DirecTV was smart, they would listen to the majority of their customer base, especialy if its adding a feature that effects only those who want it.

Mixer

12-19-06, 07:22 AM

I have always thought that if they did enable DLB that they would not make them both 90 minutes. I am not sure that they would have to rewduce it to 45 minutes per buffer even if they did it would be better than Tivo 30 minutes each.

I only posted so I could put this cool smily back on. But some other comments...
Boo-o-o-o Jeremy. I used to respect your posts.

Who ever said that DLB meant the end of the 90 min buffer -- give us DL90minB!

tiger2005

12-19-06, 07:48 AM

PoitNarf

12-19-06, 07:51 AM

These two features are so different. Why does it have to be one "vs." the other? They can give us both of them.

So I didn't vote.

If you're asking which should come first then it needs re-worded.

I agree, I don't understand the point of this thread.

Oliwa

12-19-06, 08:42 AM

I can say with the UTMOST certainty that if DLB are NOT implemented by the time my two year contract is up, my first phone call will be to Verizon to get FiOS and then my second call will be to D* cancelling my service. I can't say I even come close to feeling the same way about remote access.

What if the FIOS service doesn't have DLB? Then what are you going to do?

If you absolutely can't live without DLBs, then buy another HR20 and be done with it! You could even use PIP and watch 2 shows at the same time!

jheda

12-19-06, 09:15 AM

What if the FIOS service doesn't have DLB? Then what are you going to do?

If you absolutely can't live without DLBs, then buy another HR20 and be done with it! You could even use PIP and watch 2 shows at the same time!

Really........so if prior dvrs had dual buffers, and you UPGRADED and it didtnt have this major feature, you think its the duty of the consumer to by TWO UNITS?

Come on, you dont advertise an upgraded machine and then downgrade a key feature; thats our issue here........but again based on D*s response to this board i am confident they will pull through.

Oliwa

12-19-06, 10:50 AM

Really........so if prior dvrs had dual buffers, and you UPGRADED and it didtnt have this major feature, you think its the duty of the consumer to by TWO UNITS?

Come on, you dont advertise an upgraded machine and then downgrade a key feature; thats our issue here........but again based on D*s response to this board i am confident they will pull through.

Upgrade is defined as "a new version, improved model, etc" (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Upgraded)

Is this a newer model? Yes!
Does this have improvements? Yes! (HD locals to name 1)
Does "upgrade" mean you get EVERYTHING you had before? No!

Key feature depends on the individual. To me, DLB don't mean jack, but to you it's apparently a very critical feature.

I'm not saying it's the "duty" of the consumer to buy 2 units, I was just saying it was an option. I, for one, have an HR10 and an HR20 hooked up and both are recording the same shows. I do this because the HR20 is 100% reliable yet. I also think it's pretty neat to put both of them up on my big screen. I do this out of my own free will and do not complain about it. My point is that if it's a matter of life and death then you can figure out someway to watch 2 shows at the same time.

banningview

12-19-06, 10:58 AM

REMOTE ACCESS!!!!!!

F DLB!

No F ...

DLB is awesome. Next to best thing on the box. Remote access is important too. So will not say F RA. Just F ...

banningview

12-19-06, 11:00 AM

Oh please. :rolleyes:

You DLB fanatics are pathetic.

Why say no to DLB. Why not advocate for features.

banningview

12-19-06, 11:02 AM

http://www.justj.net/misc/smilies/S-A-DLB.gif

Sweet

banningview

12-19-06, 11:06 AM

I agree, I don't understand the point of this thread.

Enough is enough. Yes, you have made many poignant posts that I respect, but please do not forget yourself. YOU are not the "is this post relevant" cop. If you don't think it's relevant then don't reply to the post. In fact, when I see that you are telling us a post is not relevant, or asking why this post is even up, I'm gonna bump that post and bump that post and bump it again. GET OVER YOURSELF!!

Also, the reason the post is up and relevant, at least to the people posting, is that the features on this thing only come down the pipe from time to time. IF YOU HAD A CHOICE, which one would you like? SO SIMPLE...

jheda

12-19-06, 11:35 AM

Upgrade is defined as "a new version, improved model, etc" (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Upgraded)

Is this a newer model? Yes!
Does this have improvements? Yes! (HD locals to name 1)
Does "upgrade" mean you get EVERYTHING you had before? No!

Key feature depends on the individual. To me, DLB don't mean jack, but to you it's apparently a very critical feature.

I'm not saying it's the "duty" of the consumer to buy 2 units, I was just saying it was an option. I, for one, have an HR10 and an HR20 hooked up and both are recording the same shows. I do this because the HR20 is 100% reliable yet. I also think it's pretty neat to put both of them up on my big screen. I do this out of my own free will and do not complain about it. My point is that if it's a matter of life and death then you can figure out someway to watch 2 shows at the same time.

Boy you lose to the blue jackets and you get a little tempermental eh?:lol:

Think of with center ice you are watching two playoff games at once.......it was so cool between periods and at commercials flipping back and forth.....it is what got me hooked......i understand the workarounds, but thats just what they are...yes just my opinion (although polls show i have many who agree)

Clint Lamor

12-19-06, 11:44 AM

when I see that you are telling us a post is not relevant, or asking why this post is even up, I'm gonna bump that post and bump that post and bump it again. GET OVER YOURSELF!!

If you like posting I would HIGHLY suggest you don't do this. I would have to agree enough is enough, all os this fighting and arguing WILL stop. If users cannot get along here and act like adults then you need to find a new place to play these games.

PoitNarf

12-19-06, 11:51 AM

Enough is enough. Yes, you have made many poignant posts that I respect, but please do not forget yourself. YOU are not the "is this post relevant" cop.

I never claimed to be.

If you don't think it's relevant then don't reply to the post. In fact, when I see that you are telling us a post is not relevant, or asking why this post is even up, I'm gonna bump that post and bump that post and bump it again. GET OVER YOURSELF!!

Ooooook.... ? This is the post I quoted in my reply:

These two features are so different. Why does it have to be one "vs." the other? They can give us both of them.

So I didn't vote.

If you're asking which should come first then it needs re-worded.

And my reply just stated that I agreed and don't understand why the thread seems to imply that we can either have Dual Buffers or Remote Scheduling but not both. The two features are so different from each other that they would never conflict.

Also, the reason the post is up and relevant, at least to the people posting, is that the features on this thing only come down the pipe from time to time. IF YOU HAD A CHOICE, which one would you like? SO SIMPLE...

I'm just trying to help keep the forum free of some clutter. There are plenty of duplicate threads roaming around here.

disneyfreak

12-19-06, 01:24 PM

I have to say that I would rather hit the red reset button EVERY DAY and have my DLB back rather than have any other fixes as a priority.

HOWEVER

I will not bash anyone on this board for wanting other fixes before DLB. THAT WOULD BE PATHETIC.

DLB!!! DLB!!!! DLB!!! DLB!!!! DLB!!! DLB!!!! DLB!!! DLB!!!! DLB!!! DLB!!!! DLB!!! DLB!!!!

jheda

12-19-06, 01:39 PM

Oliwa

12-19-06, 01:55 PM

Boy you lose to the blue jackets and you get a little tempermental eh?:lol:

Think of with center ice you are watching two playoff games at once.......it was so cool between periods and at commercials flipping back and forth.....it is what got me hooked......i understand the workarounds, but thats just what they are...yes just my opinion (although polls show i have many who agree)

That reference to the Blue Jackets was hitting below the belt! ;)

jcricket

12-19-06, 01:58 PM

You know, I was thinking about this. DLB is currently much more important to me, but if "Remote Access" comes with two-way synching it would be pretty sweet. By two way I mean once enabled, I can send the list of SP to my DirecTV account, so that when I use the "Remote Access" it can check conflicts "live".

If nothing else, browsing the list of "what's going to record" in my spare time at work might spare me the occasional missed recording due to conflict. Or if there's a late-breaking change, I can alter things from the office and have it set before I get home.

I think Remote Access is similar to DLB in that once you get it, it's hard to imagine living without it.

Earl Bonovich

12-19-06, 02:00 PM

I think Remote Access is similar to DLB in that once you get it, it's hard to imagine living without it.

I would agree, that both will change the way you use a DVR...

But even in my foggestest imagination, I can't see me relying on Remote Access that much (after the initial...ooohhhh let's try it out).

But as I have said about most features in the system....
They are not all for everynoe... but doesn't make them "less important".

banningview

12-19-06, 02:50 PM

I would agree, that both will change the way you use a DVR...

But even in my foggestest imagination, I can't see me relying on Remote Access that much (after the initial...ooohhhh let's try it out).

But as I have said about most features in the system....
They are not all for everynoe... but doesn't make them "less important".

AAAHHHH, the voice of reason. When is everyone going to understand, that the first thing D* needs to do is make the HR20 have the same functionality and dependability as the HR10. Software interface aside. I could care less about the interface. Give me DLB and OTA along with some inkling of dependability and I'll start using it.

DLB.

NYHeel

12-19-06, 02:59 PM

I would agree, that both will change the way you use a DVR...

But even in my foggestest imagination, I can't see me relying on Remote Access that much (after the initial...ooohhhh let's try it out).

But as I have said about most features in the system....
They are not all for everynoe... but doesn't make them "less important".

I have remote access via TivoWebplus on my DTivo and while it's nice it isn't that big a deal. It doesn't change the way you watch TV like DLB does. I've had it and while I would like to keep it it wouldn't be that big a deal if I couldn't. Now MRV on the other hand I can't give up....

Katodude00

12-19-06, 03:08 PM

I would agree, that both will change the way you use a DVR...

But even in my foggestest imagination, I can't see me relying on Remote Access that much (after the initial...ooohhhh let's try it out).

But as I have said about most features in the system....
They are not all for everynoe... but doesn't make them "less important".

You cannot imagine it because I am guessing you dont travel much. However, try going on a 3 week road trip, then it becomes essential. You are on a trip you get to watch TV one night so you go back and delete those shows on your DVR to save space. You hear about something that you will want to watch so you log on and schedule it to record. I am considering getting a slingbox but it seems like a lot for what I used to believe was basic functionality (my old ReplayTV).

dervari

12-19-06, 03:47 PM

From what I recall reading, remote scheduling (most likely via D*.com) is in the works and will be implemented.

I really hope this isn't true. ReplayTV did the same thing and it sucked. You could only schedule things 24 hours or more in the future because the replay had to dial in to get the data and update your schedules on the server. I would much rather have realtime access to the unit to check on recording status, schedule new recordings, etc and not have to have my viewing data and preferences stored on a server.

Clint Lamor

12-19-06, 04:12 PM

I really hope this isn't true. ReplayTV did the same thing and it sucked. You could only schedule things 24 hours or more in the future because the replay had to dial in to get the data and update your schedules on the server. I would much rather have realtime access to the unit to check on recording status, schedule new recordings, etc and not have to have my viewing data and preferences stored on a server.

SA Tivos do it from the remote server and I think you have to do it within the hour. I would much rather not have to open up ports on the router and firewall if at all possible.

Doug Brott

12-19-06, 04:15 PM

I really hope this isn't true. ReplayTV did the same thing and it sucked. You could only schedule things 24 hours or more in the future because the replay had to dial in to get the data and update your schedules on the server. I would much rather have realtime access to the unit to check on recording status, schedule new recordings, etc and not have to have my viewing data and preferences stored on a server.

In theory, you could force the HR20 to establish a PPP connection on-demand through the Internet based on password, etc. An HTTP-like service would need to run on the HR20 for the scheduling. This would almost certainly require a high speed line, so remote access would require the Ethernet Cable and a Home Network.

Jeremy W

12-19-06, 04:30 PM

In theory, you could force the HR20 to establish a PPP connection on-demand through the Internet based on password, etc. An HTTP-like service would need to run on the HR20 for the scheduling. This would almost certainly require a high speed line, so remote access would require the Ethernet Cable and a Home Network.
You forget that DirecTV just so happens to have a 24/7 pipe directly into every HR20: the satellites. They can send down a command telling the HR20 to do whatever they want it to do. They do not need to initiate things over the Internet.

Doug Brott

12-19-06, 04:48 PM

You forget that DirecTV just so happens to have a 24/7 pipe directly into every HR20: the satellites. They can send down a command telling the HR20 to do whatever they want it to do. They do not need to initiate things over the Internet.

Yes, but real-time access to the box would require an active link directly into the HR20. DirecTV could do a radio-IP type connection through the Satellite link, but the return traffic would have to be over either a phone line or (more likely) the Internet since the Satellite connection is one-way. Since Firewalls would invariably block access back through the internet, the best method would be to create an on-demand Point-to-Point connection from the HR20 to DirecTV through the Internet. A command issued through the Satellite to the HR20 would be used to initiate the PPP link. Once the PPP link is established, then real-time changes should be available since the PPP connection would allow two-way communication. A Service would need to run on the HR20 to handle the requests.

Any other method would be near real-time access and would require storage of settings/info on DirecTV's servers. The HR20 could then sync to these servers every 15-60 minutes (depending on implementation). This may be the method they choose since the data they would collect could be sold.

jcricket

12-19-06, 05:01 PM

Any other method would be near real-time access and would require storage of settings/info on DirecTV's servers. The HR20 could then sync to these servers every 15-60 minutes (depending on implementation). This may be the method they choose since the data they would collect could be sold.
To me this sounds like a reasonable compromise. Set up the receiver to sync any changes and check in for any new changes with DirecTV's web site (or something) every 5, 15, 30 or 60 minutes. The data transferred should be small (it's not the shows themselves, and not the program guide data, it's just your teensy list of SPs, and maybe what you have recorded).

Sure, it's not "perfect", but I think it would work pretty well for most people.

Tom Robertson

12-19-06, 06:38 PM

Another approach: have the Directv server send messages via satellite and receive information via network. (Asymmetric routing)

Yet another approach: (One I like better) have the Directv server send one message via satellite to the receiver which then initiates a bi-directional link to the Directv server over the internet. This doesn't require me to open ports on my firewalls, doesn't have the latency of a sat. link to the network, simpler data routing, and keeps internet traffic on the internet and sat. traffic on the sat.

Merry Christmas, (I'll get patent request into the PO later today...)
Tom

Doug Brott

12-19-06, 06:42 PM