The HR20 is now officially ViiV certified

[Earl Bonovich]

With that....

You now can download the ViiV media server, for those systems that are ViiV certified.
http://www.directv.com/viiv

And the "official" DirecTV ViiV discussion forum is now available.
http://forums.directv.com/pe/action/forums/defaultview?msgBoardID=10177903

[rsonnens]

OK, THE HR20 picture on page 5 of the ViiV QuickStart guide is BLACK!, How can I get one of those. :-)

[Doug Brott]

OK, THE HR20 picture on page 5 of the ViiV QuickStart guide is BLACK!, How can I get one of those. :-)

spray paint :D

[Drewg5]

With that....

You now can download the ViiV media server, for those systems that are ViiV certified.
http://www.directv.com/viiv

And the "official" DirecTV ViiV discussion forum is now available.
http://forums.directv.com/pe/action/forums/defaultview?msgBoardID=10177903

Cool that sounds very good, if you have an Intell (InHell) ViiV based system.

With that said, my question is does D* have any plans to make HR20 play nice with AMD and other non ViiV systems. I ask becouse AMD is VERY popular with gamers, and others. Most of wich will not give up there AMD systems for anything.

That being said, I do know and have working WMP 11 on my AMD system, but with out the fourms, I would not have known about that or other options.

Thanks
Andrew

[jonaswan2]

Cool that sounds very good, if you have an Intell (InHell) ViiV based system.

With that said, my question is does D* have any plans to make HR20 play nice with AMD and other non ViiV systems. I ask becouse AMD is VERY popular with gamers, and others. Most of wich will not give up there AMD systems for anything.

That being said, I do know and have working WMP 11 on my AMD system, but with out the fourms, I would not have known about that or other options.

Thanks
Andrew

Actually, the Intel Core Duo 2 series is a better chip for gaming than anything AMD has on the market at this time.

Anyways, I think that DirecTV is in bed with Intel and Microsoft for now.

[Earl Bonovich]

Being Intell ViiV certified, doesn't mean it won't work with other Media Servers on PC's.

Plenty of Discussion of other options all over.

[Drewg5]

Actually, the Intel Core Duo 2 series is a better chip for gaming than anything AMD has on the market at this time.

Anyways, I think that DirecTV is in bed with Intel and Microsoft for now.

D* being in bed with M$ is not a big surpise, if you want your system to play nice with PC than it has to play with M$. As far as Intell and AMD go there are a lot of both systems out there that are not viiv. On top of that viiv looks to me like a passing fad, much like the tun of other crap out there. On top of all of that Apple has a hudge foot hold in the music and photo world with the IPOD, and Itunes. Almost every other PC has Itunes on it in the home

[Slip Jigs]

Does opting in to the public trial beta allow users to get the 10B update if they don't already have it?

[Tom Robertson]

Does opting in to the public trial beta allow users to get the 10B update if they don't already have it?

Nope, you'll have it in a few minutes anyway...

Merry Christmas,
Tom

[Slip Jigs]

Nope, you'll have it in a few minutes anyway...

Merry Christmas,
Tom

I have 108, but I only read references here and there that it was going national.. did I miss the announcement?

[Tom Robertson]

I have 108, but I only read references here and there that it was going national.. did I miss the announcement?

What? You haven't been able to keep up with the 200 threads, 4,000 posts we've had today and missed it! :) Don't blame you a bit...

Yes, been announced, hit PST yesterday (near as I've been able to tell) and eems to be hitting NY and WI (EST and CST) right now.

Merry Christmas!
Tom

[Slip Jigs]

:) I thought I was keeping up! heh - I guess I'll get it soon then, no biggie.

I just tried installing the Viiv software on my XP machine - no go. I don't know how I feel about that. This whole thing is wayyy to proprietary.

[Earl Bonovich]

D* being in bed with M$ is not a big surpise, if you want your system to play nice with PC than it has to play with M$. As far as Intell and AMD go there are a lot of both systems out there that are not viiv. On top of that viiv looks to me like a passing fad, much like the tun of other crap out there. On top of all of that Apple has a hudge foot hold in the music and photo world with the IPOD, and Itunes. Almost every other PC has Itunes on it in the home

Why do you think DirecTV is in bed with Microsoft?

The HR20 is simply ViiV certified, which means it complies with a certain set of standards that Intel has set. nothing more... Nothing less.

The ViiV aspect that is with "Windows" is on the Intel side of things, not the DirecTV side of things.

If you do a search there are more products getting ViiV certified. Acer just release a TV that was ViiV certified... are they in bed with Microsoft too?

There are at least three "other" products out there, that work to serve up the files to the HR20.. Twonky, WMP11, and there was another thrown about... and I am sure they are others. Twonky works on just about every platform I have heard of.

As for iTunes... 7 computers in this house, only one with iTunes... and that was because she won the iPod.

[Earl Bonovich]

:) I thought I was keeping up! heh - I guess I'll get it soon then, no biggie.

I just tried installing the Viiv software on my XP machine - no go. I don't know how I feel about that. This whole thing is wayyy to proprietary.

ViiV software is ONLY for ViiV certified system.

As has been shown for the last week or so, there are other options out there for access media files.

[TheRatPatrol]

Anyways, I think that DirecTV is in bed with Intel and Microsoft for now.
Interesting, if D* is in bed with MS, I'm surprised they didn't bring back UTV.

[jonaswan2]

Why do you think DirecTV is in bed with Microsoft?

The HR20 is simply ViiV certified, which means it complies with a certain set of standards that Intel has set. nothing more... Nothing less.

The ViiV aspect that is with "Windows" is on the Intel side of things, not the DirecTV side of things.

If you do a search there are more products getting ViiV certified. Acer just release a TV that was ViiV certified... are they in bed with Microsoft too?

There are at least three "other" products out there, that work to serve up the files to the HR20.. Twonky, WMP11, and there was another thrown about... and I am sure they are others. Twonky works on just about every platform I have heard of.

As for iTunes... 7 computers in this house, only one with iTunes... and that was because she won the iPod.

Only because of the Xbox 360 and the portable media software stuff (you know what I'm talking about, right?) that they announced at CES. not because of the Viiv products at all though.

[Slip Jigs]

ViiV software is ONLY for ViiV certified system.

As has been shown for the last week or so, there are other options out there for access media files.


I understand, but I was just checking it to see if it would install on a non-Viiv system. It may have been looking for WMCE, the hardware or all of the above.

I understand the need to set a performance standard - but the actual specs produces by the Viiv combination of hardware and software is not limited to that combination.

I guess it depends on whether the HR20 performs better with the Viiv software than with WMP or another server.. if that doesn't make a difference, then there's really no compatibility issue.

[Earl Bonovich]

Only because of the Xbox 360 and the portable media software stuff (you know what I'm talking about, right?) that they announced at CES. not because of the Viiv products at all though.

I know which ones you are talking about.

[Drewg5]

Why do you think DirecTV is in bed with Microsoft?

The HR20 is simply ViiV certified, which means it complies with a certain set of standards that Intel has set. nothing more... Nothing less.

The ViiV aspect that is with "Windows" is on the Intel side of things, not the DirecTV side of things.

If you do a search there are more products getting ViiV certified. Acer just release a TV that was ViiV certified... are they in bed with Microsoft too?

There are at least three "other" products out there, that work to serve up the files to the HR20.. Twonky, WMP11, and there was another thrown about... and I am sure they are others. Twonky works on just about every platform I have heard of.

As for iTunes... 7 computers in this house, only one with iTunes... and that was because she won the iPod.

My intent wasn't to start a pissing contest here. Viiv is a good marketing tool, as it is. After being on D*'s sight it made it look like you had to have a Viiv PC with Media Center for this option to work at all. There for it makes it look like D*, Intel, and M$ are all in it together.

I also have tryed Twonky, and WMP11 both work well, with out being supported by D*

With the power of iTunes beeing in 1.7 million households according to PC world, and Apple's systems already haveing Viiv. If I'm not mistaken Itunes is also Viiv, but apple wants to make there owne vod player so... I killed that thought with this report http://news.com.com/DirecTVs+Viiv+box+almost+ready+for+prime+time/2100-1041_3-6119790.html

[machavez00]

Cool that sounds very good, if you have an Intell (InHell) ViiV based system.

With that said, my question is does D* have any plans to make HR20 play nice with AMD and other non ViiV systems. I ask becouse AMD is VERY popular with gamers, and others. Most of wich will not give up there AMD systems for anything.

That being said, I do know and have working WMP 11 on my AMD system, but with out the fourms, I would not have known about that or other options.

Thanks
Andrew

I hope D* will not freeze out the Mac users. I tried Twonky as many other have and can only view photos. It has an X next to the adio files. someone called twonky and was told there was no Mac plugin. I tried EyeConnect 1.1 (Made for Mac)and it sees the HR20 as "DIRECTV PLUS HD DVR" in the device pane. Twonky had it as "generic media receiver. I could at least access the audio files(music symbol next to song) with eyeconnect, but when I try to play ithem all i hear is white noise. I went to the technical form on the website "
Michael,

In researching your problem, I seem to have found this discussion you have participated in, about this DVR:

http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=73279&page=2

Have you received any help from other users?

I'm wondering about what exact formats your DVR supports for UPnP AV use - do you have a list or URL?

I'm also wondering if the bitrate of the MP3 file could come into play. Perhaps you could compare the specifics of a MP3 on your Mac, and one from the PC you've tested.

We have no other reports from users of this DVR about anything related to EyeConnect, so this is the first time I've heard this problem.

It could be how you encoded the files, or it could be how EyeConnect is sending them. One way to test that is to find out if your DVR supports something other than MP3 (like WAV), and test that.

I've you can find a supported movie format, then try that too, to see if the soundtrack has the same problem.

Nick Freeman
Customer Support

Elgato Systems LLC

900 Kearny Street Suite 750 San Francisco CA 94133-5145
http://www.elgato.com - http://faq.elgato.com

seems like no one has an idea what to do.

[jonaswan2]

I hope D* will out freeze out the Mac users. I tried Twonky as many other have and can only view photos. It has an X next to the adio files. someone called twonky and was told there was no Mac plugin. I tried EyeConnect 1.1 (Made for Mac)and it sees the HR20 as "DIRECTV PLUS HD DVR" in the device pane. Twonky had it as "generic media receiver. I could at least access the audio files(music symbol next to song) with eyeconnect, but when I try to play ithem all i hear is white noise. I went to the technical form on the website "
Michael,

In researching your problem, I seem to have found this discussion you have participated in, about this DVR:

http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=73279&page=2

Have you received any help from other users?

I'm wondering about what exact formats your DVR supports for UPnP AV use - do you have a list or URL?

I'm also wondering if the bitrate of the MP3 file could come into play. Perhaps you could compare the specifics of a MP3 on your Mac, and one from the PC you've tested.

We have no other reports from users of this DVR about anything related to EyeConnect, so this is the first time I've heard this problem.

It could be how you encoded the files, or it could be how EyeConnect is sending them. One way to test that is to find out if your DVR supports something other than MP3 (like WAV), and test that.

I've you can find a supported movie format, then try that too, to see if the soundtrack has the same problem.

Nick Freeman
Customer Support

Elgato Systems LLC

900 Kearny Street Suite 750 San Francisco CA 94133-5145
http://www.elgato.com - http://faq.elgato.com

seems like no one has an idea what to do.

Of course EyeConnect would have any clue what to due. The HR20's Viiv capabilities haven't even released officially yet!!!

[redfiver]

I hope D* will not freeze out the Mac users. I tried Twonky as many other have and can only view photos. It has an X next to the adio files.

For music files, I love using Airport Express, and I don't think I'd even want to use the HR20 with my mac. On my xbox, I can also stream music from iTunes into it. So, I have lots of options there. But, airport express is really nice. I even added my MacBookPro to my Harmony remote, so that remote controls the laptop as well using FrontRow. Pretty nice set up. I'm really excited about iTV and what it can offer.

[machavez00]

For music files, I love using Airport Express, and I don't think I'd even want to use the HR20 with my mac. On my xbox, I can also stream music from iTunes into it. So, I have lots of options there. But, airport express is really nice. I even added my MacBookPro to my Harmony remote, so that remote controls the laptop as well using FrontRow. Pretty nice set up. I'm really excited about iTV and what it can offer.

Just trying not to spend anymore money than I have to. I would like to make it work with what I have now. The easy solution(for me) is just to load every thing onto my brother's computer down the street and pull it in from there. But that means loading up his hard drive with all my audio files. I don't think he would like that too much

[briguybb]

Hey Earl....
I'm trying to share my media PC with my HR20 but it seems that I am running into some issues. Is there a specific thread that you know that I can refer to?

Setup
1. Windows XPsp2 with WMP11
2. HR20 successfully connects to the Internet during a test
3. WMP11 is successfully setup to share as I already share with my XBOX 360

My Issue
When I go into WMP11, it does not see the HR20

Troubleshooting Steps
1. After update ran connection test, WMP11 unable to see HR20
2. Reset HR20, Ran connection test, WMP11 unable to see HR20

Any help would be greatlly appreciated
=)

[litzdog911]

Hey Earl....
I'm trying to share my media PC with my HR20 but it seems that I am running into some issues. Is there a specific thread that you know that I can refer to?

Setup
1. Windows XPsp2 with WMP11
2. HR20 successfully connects to the Internet during a test
3. WMP11 is successfully setup to share as I already share with my XBOX 360

My Issue
When I go into WMP11, it does not see the HR20

Troubleshooting Steps
1. After update ran connection test, WMP11 unable to see HR20
2. Reset HR20, Ran connection test, WMP11 unable to see HR20

Any help would be greatlly appreciated
=)


http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=73818

[dvrblogger]

D* being in bed with M$ is not a big surpise, if you want your system to play nice with PC than it has to play with M$. As far as Intell and AMD go there are a lot of both systems out there that are not viiv. On top of that viiv looks to me like a passing fad, much like the tun of other crap out there. On top of all of that Apple has a hudge foot hold in the music and photo world with the IPOD, and Itunes. Almost every other PC has Itunes on it in the home
If you want to play in PC world you need Apple or MSFT , Apple doesn't play with anyone else and MSFT is the only game in town.

[Drewg5]

[QUOTE=dvrblogger;762084]If you want to play in PC world you need Apple or MSFT , Apple doesn't play with anyone else and MSFT is the only game in town.[/QUOTE

Meida devices should be compatable with all systems, that was the point I was trying to make, let it be Apple, Inetl, IBM, or Microsoft. They all have to play with each other, after all componits of all systems used today came from one of the above.

[machavez00]

[QUOTE=dvrblogger;762084]If you want to play in PC world you need Apple or MSFT , Apple doesn't play with anyone else and MSFT is the only game in town.[/QUOTE

Meida devices should be compatable with all systems, that was the point I was trying to make, let it be Apple, Inetl, IBM, or Microsoft. They all have to play with each other, after all componits of all systems used today came from one of the above.

That's what UPnP and the DLNA alliances are supposed to be about. all the above mentioned and NDS are are part of the UPnP group

[jfolliard]

just a novice jumping in - for those of us who don't have an Intel Viiv complaint computer is there now or will there be a way to hook up our home network to the HR20 in the future?

Jack

[mrshermanoaks]

just a novice jumping in - for those of us who don't have an Intel Viiv complaint computer is there now or will there be a way to hook up our home network to the HR20 in the future?

Yes. Upgrade to Windows Media Player 11 (free from Microsoft). There's about a hundred threads that tell you how to set it up. If you've got a Mac, do a search on "twonkyvision". Seriously :)

[machavez00]

Yes. Upgrade to Windows Media Player 11 (free from Microsoft). There's about a hundred threads that tell you how to set it up. If you've got a Mac, do a search on "twonkyvision". Seriously :)

Twonky does not have the LPCM plugin, so you cannot play audio files (X next to file names)). Photos look squeezed. My Mac did show up as a UPnP device to the Windoze computers at my brother's house using Twonky. EyeConnect from Elgato systems allows access to audio files(music note next to them), but all I hear is white noise, photos look normal. I emailed Elgato Systems and they are cheking it out. I am beginng to think it is the HR20. As I mentioned before NDS (HR20 maker) and D* are part of the standards groups for UPnP(universal plug and play) http://www.upnp.org/ Membership list is on right side and DLNA(Digital Living Network Alliance) http://www.dlna.org/en/consumer/home Member list is on the bottom of the page.
The HR20 may be "ViiV certified" but falls short of being a UPnP device. :nono2:

[opelap]

Interesting, if D* is in bed with MS, I'm surprised they didn't bring back UTV.

Please, Please, Please. An HD UTV would be the best unit out there.