D12

[kevinturcotte]

I've seen some mentions in the forums about a Directv D12 receiver. What is this? I googled it, and didn't really get much.

[Earl Bonovich]

It is the new SD-Basic (non-dvr) receiver.
It is built by Philips.

If all goes according to "Schedule" I will be putting to gether a mini-review, later tonight...

Earl

[kevinturcotte]

What's the point of this over the D10/D11?

[Earl Bonovich]

What's the point of this over the D10/D11?

Well if I told you now... :D

Three key differences:

1) Black in Color
2) Faster "system" when compared to the D10/D11
3) Tuner is compatible with FTM

[kevinturcotte]

D10 is black lol
What would be the point of the tuner being compatible with FTM if it's only a single tuner IRD?

[RobertE]

D10 is black lol
What would be the point of the tuner being compatible with FTM if it's only a single tuner IRD?

If I understand it correctly, you would be able to use spillters on the lines like current cable setups. If true would make installers lives much easier. Just think. Mount the dish, run the cables to the central point and done. :)

[kevinturcotte]

I thought FTM was going to be handled by the receivers themselves. Is that not correct?

[Earl Bonovich]

FTM is all about how the signal is carried on the line.

If you implement FTM... all the receivers on that particular "line" will have to be FTM read.

[kevinturcotte]

So you wouldn't be able to mix/match systems like you can now (HR10 & HR20)?

[Earl Bonovich]

So you wouldn't be able to mix/match systems like you can now (HR10 & HR20)?

Yes and no...

Yes, you can have non-FTM and FTM systems in a house/account.
But you have to appropriately wire them... (aka... on an FTM enabled line, you will NOT be able to have a non-FTM ready receiver).

[Rsudol]

Excuse my ignorance but what is FTM

[Earl Bonovich]

Frequency Translation Module.

It is going to be a new way DirecTV "sends" the signals around the house... So they can get to a one wire solution.

[kevinturcotte]

So FTM won't add any actual upgrades/benefits to the D12 itself. Is there anything other than the FTM tuner in the D12 that makes it superior to the D10/D11?

[Earl Bonovich]

So FTM won't add any actual upgrades/benefits to the D12 itself. Is there anything other than the FTM tuner in the D12 that makes it superior to the D10/D11?

It's processor, speed... I havn't tried it yet... to guage it myself.
But supposidly it is significantly "faster" then the D10/D11... which would be good with some of the Interactive features that are planned...

The D12 is not a replacement for the D10/D11 ... they are not going to start replacing the D10 and D11.... with D12's.

[jonaswan2]

It's processor, speed... I havn't tried it yet... to guage it myself.
But supposidly it is significantly "faster" then the D10/D11... which would be good with some of the Interactive features that are planned...

The D12 is not a replacement for the D10/D11 ... they are not going to start replacing the D10 and D11.... with D12's.

Yeah, you probably wouldn't see it just by going through the menus. Do you know if the D12-300 is physically smaller than the D10/11's?

[Earl Bonovich]

Yeah, you probably wouldn't see it just by going through the menus. Do you know if the D12-300 is physically smaller than the D10/11's?

I'll compare the D11,to the D12 for physicall size.

I don't have a D10 (except for the "guts" of the D10 that are inside the Samsung Flip Top)

[kevinturcotte]

There really isn't any difference between the D10 and the D11 is there, other than color and size?

[Earl Bonovich]

There really isn't any difference between the D10 and the D11 is there, other than color and size?

As much as they are the same... they are different.
I don't know much about the internal specs of the D10/D11 receivers...

I think some of the biggest differences was that the D10 still had the serial input for external control, and when the D11 they added the USB port.

[urnote96]

The d12 i saw had an additional COAXIAL audio output on the back.....i think opitcal would have been better....


oh well

[PoitNarf]

I'll be looking forward to the pending review. The SD RCA boxes in my house aren't getting any younger after all.

[Tom Robertson]

I saw a D12 at CES, is definitely smaller. Didn't enumerate the specific connectors, alas. I may have a pic, we'll see.

Cheers,
Tom

Picture is fuzzy, but sure looks like a coaxial digital output. (Identical signal to optical, easier to split, can always use adapter to optical.)

[Jhon69]

I'll compare the D11,to the D12 for physicall size.

I don't have a D10 (except for the "guts" of the D10 that are inside the Samsung Flip Top)

Earl measurements for D10 are: 11.33"(W)x1.81"(H)x7.71"(D).That's a D10-300.

[PoitNarf]

If all goes according to "Schedule" I will be putting to gether a mini-review, later tonight...

Guess there was no review last night?

[Earl Bonovich]

Guess there was no review last night?

I took all the pictures... and hooked up the unit, and activated it.
But I just didn't write the words yet to go along with the pictures.

FYI: The interface... Is just the same as the others... no difference there, so I didn't screen capture anything.

[donscomp]

I'll be looking forward to the pending review. The SD RCA boxes in my house aren't getting any younger after all.

My problem is. I just got rid of my RCA SD's. And the D12 300 has a snowy picture in the motorhome. The RCA's didnt. I am wondering if it has anything to do with a two prong plug now. As I have tried everything to clear it up with NO sucess. :nono2: LOL I want my RCA's back!!!!!

[Grentz]

D12 is also the spare for the already launched D10 and soon to be launched D11 satellites that carry most of the HD content for D* :) (even though I know this thread is not about that per say :p )

Earl, any idea why D* would number their sats the same as the receivers?! Kinda funny IMO and can make it confusing on forums and such.

[PoitNarf]

My problem is. I just got rid of my RCA SD's. And the D12 300 has a snowy picture in the motorhome. The RCA's didnt. I am wondering if it has anything to do with a two prong plug now. As I have tried everything to clear it up with NO sucess. :nono2: LOL I want my RCA's back!!!!!

Mine looks fine, no snow or static. How do you have it hooked up to the TV?

[donscomp]

Mine looks fine, no snow or static. How do you have it hooked up to the TV?

It is going from dome to DTV box. Then to the switch box. You know. Main,TV2,Ext.tv, VCR. But I have by passed that, Went externally to the TV. But 2nd tv is fuzzy to. Almost like it is interference or something. Even tried running an extention cord from the house TO the DTV box in there. Same thing.

It is clear as a bell in house which would lead me to believe that it isnt the box. And I dont mean it being a BAD receiver as much as something interfering with it. Had a clear picture with the RCA oldies is all I know and I am pulling my hair out. Whats left of it anyhow. LOL

[Grentz]

Are you running the generator at all or any other things on the motorhome? You could try selectively turning things off to try and isolate the interference.

[CJTE]

D12 is also the spare for the already launched D10 and soon to be launched D11 satellites that carry most of the HD content for D* :) (even though I know this thread is not about that per say :p )

Earl, any idea why D* would number their sats the same as the receivers?! Kinda funny IMO and can make it confusing on forums and such.

D10, etc, is for DIRECTV10 (Sat)...

Where as D10-XXX, etc, is for StandarD Reciever, Model 10, Manufacturer XXX



Dont quote me on that.
I dont think it makes alot of sense either.
HR (High definition dvR)
R (dvR) (R for Record...)
D (standarD)

[Tom Robertson]

D12 is also the spare for the already launched D10 and soon to be launched D11 satellites that carry most of the HD content for D* :) (even though I know this thread is not about that per say :p )

Earl, any idea why D* would number their sats the same as the receivers?! Kinda funny IMO and can make it confusing on forums and such.

Actually, DIRECTV doesn't call the satellites D10, we do. They call them DIRECTV-10. :)

Yes, the standard receivers are called D10, D11, D12.

Cheers,
Tom

[carl6]

Donscomp,

You say your D12 works fine in the house, but exhibits this problem in the motor home, right?

You might have damaged the coax connector (output from the D12 to the TV) when you swapped out the receivers, or have some other problem in the line that happened during the swap.

If you can't isolate it to a wiring or connector problem, then another thing to try is to use the composite or s-video output of the D12 fed to an rf modulator (or even an VCR that can output an rf signal) and use that to feed your rv system and see if the problem is still there or not.

Carl

[donscomp]

Donscomp,

You say your D12 works fine in the house, but exhibits this problem in the motor home, right?

You might have damaged the coax connector (output from the D12 to the TV) when you swapped out the receivers, or have some other problem in the line that happened during the swap.

If you can't isolate it to a wiring or connector problem, then another thing to try is to use the composite or s-video output of the D12 fed to an rf modulator (or even an VCR that can output an rf signal) and use that to feed your rv system and see if the problem is still there or not.

Carl


Well, I THOUGHT it worked ok in the house. And it does via rca jacks W,Y,R but I am going out to a spliter to the other bedroom and I noticed IT does the same as in the RV. Snowy a little. So it is like the signal coming OUT of the coax connection has interference or something. So now I know it isnt just the RV.
This was not like this with the RCA old receivers.
And ideas?
Thanks
Don

[carl6]

It could be a poor/weak rf modulator (in the D12). From your description that sounds like what may be causing your problem.

That brings you to either using some type of external rf modulator to see if the problem persists after that, or going for a replacement D12. Like I indicated before, if you have a vcr available, you can use that as an rf modulator for testing. If not, a channel 3/4 modulator can be purchased reasonably inexpensively.

Carl

[donscomp]

It could be a poor/weak rf modulator (in the D12). From your description that sounds like what may be causing your problem.

That brings you to either using some type of external rf modulator to see if the problem persists after that, or going for a replacement D12. Like I indicated before, if you have a vcr available, you can use that as an rf modulator for testing. If not, a channel 3/4 modulator can be purchased reasonably inexpensively.

Carl

Thanks Carl
I just read this at the DTV forum "This is a receiver output issue. The D12-100 models have an issue with Coax outputs. The way to remedy is to use the A/V outputs into something else (VCR, RF Modulator) then Coax to the TV. Or if possible, run the A/V cables to the TV itself. "

Even though mine is the 300. I THINK I have a modulator in the coach somewhere. Now that I know it is doing it here from the coax. It will be easier for me to try to fix it here than in the coach. Not much room to mess with it in there. I thought I would just replace the box. But I am afraid I will get the same thing. And tech support? I had to hang up on for lack of communication. :nono2:
Thanks again
Don

[TheRatPatrol]

I'm surprised they gave a receiver and a satellite the same name.