Uplink Activity for the Week of 2-7-7 .... more OTA guide data gone.

[JohnH]

141 ESP3A ADDED TO Tp 24 on EchoStar 8 at 110w

147 ESP4A ADDED TO Tp 24 on EchoStar 8 at 110w

14027 WCVB2, WCVBDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 26 Spotbeam 4 from Mount Jackson for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14028 WENH1, WENHDT REMOVED FROM Tp 26 Spotbeam 4 from Mount Jackson for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14029 WGBH2, WGBHDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 18 Spotbeam 4 from Mount Jackson for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14030 WGBX2, WGBXDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 26 Spotbeam 4 from Mount Jackson for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14031 WGBX3, WGBXDT3 REMOVED FROM Tp 26 Spotbeam 4 from Mount Jackson for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14032 WCIU2, WCIUDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 31 Spotbeam 19 from Monee for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14034 WTTW1, WTTWDT REMOVED FROM Tp 31 Spotbeam 19 from Monee for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14035 WKYC3, WKYCDT3 REMOVED FROM Tp 31 Spotbeam 9 from Mount Jackson for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14037 WFAA2, WFAADT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 31 Spotbeam 21 from New Braunfels for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14038 WADL2, WADLDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 12 Spotbeam 13 from Monee for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14039 WDIV2, WDIVDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 26 Spotbeam 13 from Monee for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14040 WTVS1, WTVSDT REMOVED FROM Tp 12 Spotbeam 13 from Monee for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14045 WXYZ2, WXYZDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 26 Spotbeam 13 from Monee for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14052 WUVG2, WUVGDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 20 Spotbeam 6 from Mount Jackson for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14070 KNME1, KNMEDT REMOVED FROM Tp 27 Spotbeam 31 from New Braunfels for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14071 WABM2, WABMDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 29 Spotbeam 11 from Monee for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14104 WETK1, WETKDT REMOVED FROM Tp 23 Spotbeam 8 from Mount Jackson for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14108 WJZY2, WJZYDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 26 Spotbeam 6 from Mount Jackson for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14109 WMYT2, WMYTDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 26 Spotbeam 6 from Mount Jackson for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14128 WMAR3, WMARDT3 REMOVED FROM Tp 23 Spotbeam 5 from Mount Jackson for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14129 WBFF2, WBFFDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 23 Spotbeam 5 from Mount Jackson for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14130 WMPT3, WMPTDT3 REMOVED FROM Tp 23 Spotbeam 5 from Mount Jackson for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14131 WMPT4, WMPTDT4 REMOVED FROM Tp 23 Spotbeam 5 from Mount Jackson for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14132 WMPT5, WMPTDT5 REMOVED FROM Tp 23 Spotbeam 5 from Mount Jackson for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14133 WMPT2, WMPTDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 23 Spotbeam 5 from Mount Jackson for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14134 WBIQ1, WBIQDT REMOVED FROM Tp 31 Spotbeam 11 from Monee for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14136 WBTV2, WBTVDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 26 Spotbeam 6 from Mount Jackson for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14137 WCNC2, WCNCDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 26 Spotbeam 6 from Mount Jackson for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14138 WCCB2, WCCBDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 26 Spotbeam 6 from Mount Jackson for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14139 WCCB3, WCCBDT3 REMOVED FROM Tp 26 Spotbeam 6 from Mount Jackson for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14141 WTVI2, WTVIDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 26 Spotbeam 6 from Mount Jackson for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14142 WTVI3, WTVIDT3 REMOVED FROM Tp 26 Spotbeam 6 from Mount Jackson for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14143 WTVI4, WTVIDT4 REMOVED FROM Tp 26 Spotbeam 6 from Mount Jackson for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14144 WTVI5, WTVIDT5 REMOVED FROM Tp 26 Spotbeam 6 from Mount Jackson for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14145 WLBZ2, WLBZDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 25 Spotbeam 8 from Mount Jackson for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14146 WNSC2, WNSCDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 26 Spotbeam 6 from Mount Jackson for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14147 WNSC3, WNSCDT3 REMOVED FROM Tp 26 Spotbeam 6 from Mount Jackson for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14148 WMHT1, WMHTDT REMOVED FROM Tp 4 Spotbeam 4 from Mount Jackson for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14149 WMHT3, WMHTDT3 REMOVED FROM Tp 4 Spotbeam 4 from Mount Jackson for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14150 WRGB2, WRGBDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 4 Spotbeam 4 from Mount Jackson for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14151 WRGB3, WRGBDT3 REMOVED FROM Tp 4 Spotbeam 4 from Mount Jackson for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14152 WKRC2, WKRCDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 23 Spotbeam 10 from Monee for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14153 WCET3, WCETDT3 REMOVED FROM Tp 23 Spotbeam 10 from Monee for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14154 WCET1, WCETDT REMOVED FROM Tp 23 Spotbeam 10 from Monee for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14155 WLBZ3, WLBZDT3 REMOVED FROM Tp 25 Spotbeam 8 from Mount Jackson for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14156 WMEB2, WMEBDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 25 Spotbeam 8 from Mount Jackson for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14157 WCET2, WCETDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 23 Spotbeam 10 from Monee for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14158 WCVN2, WCVNDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 23 Spotbeam 10 from Monee for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14159 WCVN3, WCVNDT3 REMOVED FROM Tp 23 Spotbeam 10 from Monee for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14160 WCVN4, WCVNDT4 REMOVED FROM Tp 23 Spotbeam 10 from Monee for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14161 WCBI2, WCBIDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 26 Spotbeam 11 from New Braunfels for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14162 WMAE2, WMAEDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 26 Spotbeam 11 from New Braunfels for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14214 KUSM1, KUSMDT REMOVED FROM Tp 29 Spotbeam 37 from Spokane for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14230 KLRU1, KLRUDT REMOVED FROM Tp 7s10 on EchoStar 7 at 119w

14231 WBRZ2, WBRZDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 25 Spotbeam 12 from New Braunfels for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14232 WBRZ3, WBRZDT3 REMOVED FROM Tp 25 Spotbeam 12 from New Braunfels for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14233 KNVA2, KNVADT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 7s10 on EchoStar 7 at 119w

14235 WAFB2, WAFBDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 25 Spotbeam 12 from New Braunfels for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14236 WAFB3, WAFBDT3 REMOVED FROM Tp 25 Spotbeam 12 from New Braunfels for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14237 WIVB3, WIVBDT3 REMOVED FROM Tp 27 Spotbeam 9 from Mount Jackson for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14238 WNED1, WNEDDT REMOVED FROM Tp 27 Spotbeam 9 from Mount Jackson for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14239 WNED3, WNEDDT3 REMOVED FROM Tp 27 Spotbeam 9 from Mount Jackson for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14240 WNLO2, WNLODT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 27 Spotbeam 9 from Mount Jackson for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14241 WCSC2, WCSCDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 4 Spotbeam 2 from New Braunfels for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14242 WITV2, WITVDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 4 Spotbeam 2 from New Braunfels for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14243 WITV3, WITVDT3 REMOVED FROM Tp 4 Spotbeam 2 from New Braunfels for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14248 WDCQ1, WDCQDT REMOVED FROM Tp 12 Spotbeam 13 from Monee for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14249 WDCQ3, WDCQDT3 REMOVED FROM Tp 12 Spotbeam 13 from Monee for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14250 WDCQ4, WDCQDT4 REMOVED FROM Tp 12 Spotbeam 13 from Monee for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14251 WFUM1, WFUMDT REMOVED FROM Tp 12 Spotbeam 13 from Monee for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14252 WJRT2, WJRTDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 20 Spotbeam 13 from Monee for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14253 WJRT3, WJRTDT3 REMOVED FROM Tp 20 Spotbeam 13 from Monee for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14254 KFTV1, KFTVDT REMOVED FROM Tp 4 Spotbeam 38 from Spokane for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14255 KFTV2, KFTVDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 4 Spotbeam 38 from Spokane for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14256 KTFF2, KTFFDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 4 Spotbeam 38 from Spokane for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14257 WGCU1, WGCUDT REMOVED FROM Tp 4 Spotbeam 1 from Mount Jackson for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14258 WCAX2, WCAXDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 23 Spotbeam 8 from Mount Jackson for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14259 WGCU3, WGCUDT3 REMOVED FROM Tp 4 Spotbeam 1 from Mount Jackson for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14262 WAFB4, WAFBDT4 REMOVED FROM Tp 25 Spotbeam 12 from New Braunfels for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14285 KNVN2, KNVNDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 26 Spotbeam 43 from Spokane for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14290 WLPB3, WLPBDT3 REMOVED FROM Tp 25 Spotbeam 12 from New Braunfels for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14296 WYIN2, WYINDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 31 Spotbeam 19 from Monee for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14300 WSEC3, WSECDT3 REMOVED FROM Tp 5s11 on EchoStar 7 at 119w

14346 KPXR2, KPXRDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 25 Spotbeam 23 from Monee for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14351 WIAT2, WIATDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 29 Spotbeam 11 from Monee for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14366 KPXR3, KPXRDT3 REMOVED FROM Tp 25 Spotbeam 23 from Monee for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14369 WSEC1, WSECDT REMOVED FROM Tp 5s11 on EchoStar 7 at 119w

14370 WOLO2, WOLODT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 7s14 on EchoStar 7 at 119w

14371 WLTX2, WLTXDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 7s14 on EchoStar 7 at 119w

14372 WLTX3, WLTXDT3 REMOVED FROM Tp 7s14 on EchoStar 7 at 119w

14376 WRLK2, WRLKDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 7s14 on EchoStar 7 at 119w

14377 WRLK3, WRLKDT3 REMOVED FROM Tp 7s14 on EchoStar 7 at 119w

14385 WTCI2, WTCIDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 27 Spotbeam 10 from Monee for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14386 WTCI3, WTCIDT3 REMOVED FROM Tp 27 Spotbeam 10 from Monee for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14390 KRDO2, KRDODT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 4 Spotbeam 30 from Cheyenne for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14395 KPXD2, KPXDDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 29 Spotbeam 21 from New Braunfels for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14396 KPXD3, KPXDDT3 REMOVED FROM Tp 29 Spotbeam 21 from New Braunfels for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14401 WQPT2, WQPTDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 27 Spotbeam 19 from Monee for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14404 WNEM2, WNEMDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 20 Spotbeam 13 from Monee for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14407 WFIE1, WFIEDT REMOVED FROM Tp 25 Spotbeam 14 from Monee for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14408 WFIE2, WFIEDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 25 Spotbeam 14 from Monee for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14409 WNIN1, WNINDT REMOVED FROM Tp 25 Spotbeam 14 from Monee for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14410 WKOH1, WKOHDT REMOVED FROM Tp 25 Spotbeam 14 from Monee for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14411 WKOH3, WKOHDT3 REMOVED FROM Tp 25 Spotbeam 14 from Monee for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14412 WNEM3, WNEMDT3 REMOVED FROM Tp 20 Spotbeam 13 from Monee for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14413 KCOS1, KCOSDT REMOVED FROM Tp 29 Spotbeam 31 from New Braunfels for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14420 WANE2, WANEDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 18 Spotbeam 13 from Monee for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14422 WFWA2, WFWADT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 7s11 on EchoStar 7 at 119w

14423 KFSM2, KFSMDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 23 Spotbeam 20 from New Braunfels for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14440 KFME3, KFMEDT3 REMOVED FROM Tp 23 Spotbeam 32 from Monee for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14442 KTVB2, KTVBDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 25 Spotbeam 41 from Spokane for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14444 KAID5, KAIDDT5 REMOVED FROM Tp 25 Spotbeam 41 from Spokane for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14455 KFDA2, KFDADT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 26 Spotbeam 26 from New Braunfels for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14456 KFDA3, KFDADT3 REMOVED FROM Tp 26 Spotbeam 26 from New Braunfels for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14457 KIXE1, KIXEDT REMOVED FROM Tp 20 Spotbeam 43 from Spokane for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14461 KBJR2, KBJRDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 12 Spotbeam 28 from Monee for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14462 WDSE2, WDSEDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 12 Spotbeam 28 from Monee for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14463 WDSE3, WDSEDT3 REMOVED FROM Tp 12 Spotbeam 28 from Monee for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14464 WDSE4, WDSEDT4 REMOVED FROM Tp 12 Spotbeam 28 from Monee for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14476 KYES1, KYESDT REMOVED FROM Tp 9s2 on EchoStar 7 at 119w

14506 WRDW2, WRDWDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 20 Spotbeam 6 from Mount Jackson for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14507 KXAN2, KXANDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 7s10 on EchoStar 7 at 119w

14508 KXAN3, KXANDT3 REMOVED FROM Tp 7s10 on EchoStar 7 at 119w

14512 WNYO2, WNYODT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 27 Spotbeam 9 from Mount Jackson for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14513 WCFE1, WCFEDT REMOVED FROM Tp 18 Spotbeam 4 from Mount Jackson for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14514 WBTV3, WBTVDT3 REMOVED FROM Tp 26 Spotbeam 6 from Mount Jackson for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14515 WSOC2, WSOCDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 26 Spotbeam 6 from Mount Jackson for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14526 WCPO2, WCPODT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 23 Spotbeam 10 from Monee for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14527 WCVN5, WCVNDT5 REMOVED FROM Tp 23 Spotbeam 10 from Monee for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14528 WCVN6, WCVNDT6 REMOVED FROM Tp 23 Spotbeam 10 from Monee for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14529 WEAO1, WEAODT REMOVED FROM Tp 31 Spotbeam 9 from Mount Jackson for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14531 WVIZ1, WVIZDT REMOVED FROM Tp 31 Spotbeam 9 from Mount Jackson for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14533 WPTZ2, WPTZDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 23 Spotbeam 8 from Mount Jackson for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14534 KTXA2, KTXADT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 29 Spotbeam 21 from New Braunfels for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14537 KDIN1, KDINDT REMOVED FROM Tp 20 Spotbeam 24 from Monee for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14538 KRWG1, KRWGDT REMOVED FROM Tp 29 Spotbeam 31 from New Braunfels for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14539 WKOH2, WKOHDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 25 Spotbeam 14 from Monee for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14540 WKOH4, WKOHDT4 REMOVED FROM Tp 25 Spotbeam 14 from Monee for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14541 WKOH5, WKOHDT5 REMOVED FROM Tp 25 Spotbeam 14 from Monee for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14542 WKOH6, WKOHDT6 REMOVED FROM Tp 25 Spotbeam 14 from Monee for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14543 KFME1, KFMEDT REMOVED FROM Tp 23 Spotbeam 32 from Monee for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14544 KFSN2, KFSNDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 4 Spotbeam 38 from Spokane for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14545 KFSN3, KFSNDT3 REMOVED FROM Tp 4 Spotbeam 38 from Spokane for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14546 KAFT2, KAFTDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 23 Spotbeam 20 from New Braunfels for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14547 KAFT3, KAFTDT3 REMOVED FROM Tp 23 Spotbeam 20 from New Braunfels for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14548 KAFT4, KAFTDT4 REMOVED FROM Tp 23 Spotbeam 20 from New Braunfels for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14581 KCVU2, KCVUDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 26 Spotbeam 43 from Spokane for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14585 WILL3, WILLDT3 REMOVED FROM Tp 5s11 on EchoStar 7 at 119w

14586 KEPB1, KEPBDT REMOVED FROM Tp 1s3 on EchoStar 7 at 119w

14612 KWBU1, KWBUDT REMOVED FROM Tp 5s10 on EchoStar 7 at 119w

14613 WFXL2, WFXLDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 25 Spotbeam 3 from Mount Jackson for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14614 WNYT2, WNYTDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 4 Spotbeam 4 from Mount Jackson for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14615 WTEN2, WTENDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 4 Spotbeam 4 from Mount Jackson for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14616 KACV2, KACVDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 26 Spotbeam 26 from New Braunfels for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14618 KTUU2, KTUUDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 9s2 on EchoStar 7 at 119w

14623 WEBA2, WEBADT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 26 Spotbeam 6 from Mount Jackson for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14624 WEBA3, WEBADT3 REMOVED FROM Tp 26 Spotbeam 6 from Mount Jackson for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14625 WFXG2, WFXGDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 26 Spotbeam 6 from Mount Jackson for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14626 WRDW3, WRDWDT3 REMOVED FROM Tp 20 Spotbeam 6 from Mount Jackson for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14627 KBAK2, KBAKDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 25 Spotbeam 42 from Spokane for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14628 WBAL2, WBALDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 23 Spotbeam 5 from Mount Jackson for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14629 WMAR2, WMARDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 23 Spotbeam 5 from Mount Jackson for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14630 WNUV2, WNUVDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 23 Spotbeam 5 from Mount Jackson for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14632 WVTM2, WVTMDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 29 Spotbeam 11 from Monee for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14633 KBME1, KBMEDT REMOVED FROM Tp 26 Spotbeam 33 from Spokane for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14634 KBME3, KBMEDT3 REMOVED FROM Tp 26 Spotbeam 33 from Spokane for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14635 KIVI1, KIVIDT REMOVED FROM Tp 25 Spotbeam 41 from Spokane for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14636 KAID2, KAIDDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 25 Spotbeam 41 from Spokane for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14637 KAID3, KAIDDT3 REMOVED FROM Tp 25 Spotbeam 41 from Spokane for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14638 KAID4, KAIDDT4 REMOVED FROM Tp 25 Spotbeam 41 from Spokane for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14639 WHDH2, WHDHDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 26 Spotbeam 4 from Mount Jackson for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14641 WGRZ2, WGRZDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 27 Spotbeam 9 from Mount Jackson for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14642 WUTV2, WUTVDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 27 Spotbeam 9 from Mount Jackson for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14645 KIXE2, KIXEDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 20 Spotbeam 43 from Spokane for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14646 KRCR2, KRCRDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 26 Spotbeam 43 from Spokane for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14649 WTTW3, WTTWDT3 REMOVED FROM Tp 31 Spotbeam 19 from Monee for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14669 WACH2, WACHDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 7s14 on EchoStar 7 at 119w

14670 WILL1, WILLDT REMOVED FROM Tp 5s11 on EchoStar 7 at 119w

14673 KWWL2, KWWLDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 25 Spotbeam 23 from Monee for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14674 KWWL3, KWWLDT3 REMOVED FROM Tp 25 Spotbeam 23 from Monee for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14675 KDFW2, KDFWDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 31 Spotbeam 21 from New Braunfels for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14676 KLDT1, KLDTDT REMOVED FROM Tp 29 Spotbeam 21 from New Braunfels for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14677 KXAS2, KXASDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 31 Spotbeam 21 from New Braunfels for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14678 KLJB2, KLJBDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 27 Spotbeam 19 from Monee for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14679 WQAD2, WQADDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 27 Spotbeam 19 from Monee for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14680 KWQC2, KWQCDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 27 Spotbeam 19 from Monee for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14685 WMYD2, WMYDDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 26 Spotbeam 13 from Monee for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14686 WJBK2, WJBKDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 26 Spotbeam 13 from Monee for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14689 KTSM2, KTSMDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 29 Spotbeam 31 from New Braunfels for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14690 KEPB2, KEPBDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 1s3 on EchoStar 7 at 119w

14691 KEZI2, KEZIDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 1s3 on EchoStar 7 at 119w

14692 KMTR2, KMTRDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 1s3 on EchoStar 7 at 119w

14693 WEHT2, WEHTDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 25 Spotbeam 14 from Monee for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14695 KUAC2, KUACDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 26 Spotbeam 46 from Cheyenne for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14696 WEYI2, WEYIDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 20 Spotbeam 13 from Monee for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14698 KSEE2, KSEEDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 4 Spotbeam 38 from Spokane for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14699 KVPT2, KVPTDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 4 Spotbeam 38 from Spokane for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14701 WZVN2, WZVNDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 4 Spotbeam 1 from Mount Jackson for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14703 WFWA3, WFWADT3 REMOVED FROM Tp 7s11 on EchoStar 7 at 119w

14704 WFWA4, WFWADT4 REMOVED FROM Tp 7s11 on EchoStar 7 at 119w

14705 WPTA2, WPTADT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 18 Spotbeam 13 from Monee for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14976 KASA2, KASADT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 27 Spotbeam 31 from New Braunfels for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14977 WCWN2, WCWNDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 4 Spotbeam 4 from Mount Jackson for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14978 KVII2, KVIIDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 26 Spotbeam 26 from New Braunfels for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14979 KIMO2, KIMODT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 9s2 on EchoStar 7 at 119w

14980 WAGT2, WAGTDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 26 Spotbeam 6 from Mount Jackson for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14981 KVUE2, KVUEDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 7s10 on EchoStar 7 at 119w

14982 KGET2, KGETDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 25 Spotbeam 42 from Spokane for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14983 WABI2, WABIDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 25 Spotbeam 8 from Mount Jackson for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14985 KFDM2, KFDMDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 12 Spotbeam 16 from New Braunfels for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14986 KNIN2, KNINDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 25 Spotbeam 41 from Spokane for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14987 WLVI2, WLVIDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 26 Spotbeam 4 from Mount Jackson for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14988 WGBX4, WGBXDT4 REMOVED FROM Tp 26 Spotbeam 4 from Mount Jackson for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14989 KBZK2, KBZKDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 29 Spotbeam 37 from Spokane for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14990 WLPB5, WLPBDT5 REMOVED FROM Tp 25 Spotbeam 12 from New Braunfels for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14991 WLED1, WLEDDT REMOVED FROM Tp 26 Spotbeam 4 from Mount Jackson for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14998 WCBD2, WCBDDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 4 Spotbeam 2 from New Braunfels for EchoStar 10 at 110w

14999 WMMP2, WMMPDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 4 Spotbeam 2 from New Braunfels for EchoStar 10 at 110w

15000 WDSI2, WDSIDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 27 Spotbeam 10 from Monee for EchoStar 10 at 110w

15002 KOMU3, KOMUDT3 REMOVED FROM Tp 26 Spotbeam 19 from Monee for EchoStar 10 at 110w

15005 KRIS2, KRISDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 27 Spotbeam 17 from New Braunfels for EchoStar 10 at 110w

15006 KEDT2, KEDTDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 27 Spotbeam 17 from New Braunfels for EchoStar 10 at 110w

15007 KKTV2, KKTVDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 4 Spotbeam 30 from Cheyenne for EchoStar 10 at 110w

15008 WCBI3, WCBIDT3 REMOVED FROM Tp 26 Spotbeam 11 from New Braunfels for EchoStar 10 at 110w

15009 WFAA3, WFAADT3 REMOVED FROM Tp 20 Spotbeam 21 from New Braunfels for EchoStar 10 at 110w

15009 WFAA3, WFAADT3 REMOVED FROM Tp 31 Spotbeam 21 from New Braunfels for EchoStar 10 at 110w

15010 KDAF2, KDAFDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 29 Spotbeam 21 from New Braunfels for EchoStar 10 at 110w

15011 WQAD3, WQADDT3 REMOVED FROM Tp 27 Spotbeam 19 from Monee for EchoStar 10 at 110w

15013 WTVY3, WTVYDT3 REMOVED FROM Tp 4 Spotbeam 7 from New Braunfels for EchoStar 10 at 110w

15014 KCCI2, KCCIDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 20 Spotbeam 24 from Monee for EchoStar 10 at 110w

15015 KDSM2, KDSMDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 20 Spotbeam 24 from Monee for EchoStar 10 at 110w

15016 KDLH2, KDLHDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 12 Spotbeam 28 from Monee for EchoStar 10 at 110w

15017 KBJR3, KBJRDT3 REMOVED FROM Tp 12 Spotbeam 28 from Monee for EchoStar 10 at 110w

15018 KVIA2, KVIADT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 29 Spotbeam 31 from New Braunfels for EchoStar 10 at 110w

15019 KDBC2, KDBCDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 29 Spotbeam 31 from New Braunfels for EchoStar 10 at 110w

15020 KLSR2, KLSRDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 1s3 on EchoStar 7 at 119w

15021 WDAY2, WDAYDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 23 Spotbeam 32 from Monee for EchoStar 10 at 110w

15022 WDAZ2, WDAZDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 23 Spotbeam 32 from Monee for EchoStar 10 at 110w

15023 WSMH2, WSMHDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 20 Spotbeam 13 from Monee for EchoStar 10 at 110w

15024 WBBH2, WBBHDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 4 Spotbeam 1 from Mount Jackson for EchoStar 10 at 110w

15025 KFTA2, KFTADT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 23 Spotbeam 20 from New Braunfels for EchoStar 10 at 110w

15026 KNWA2, KNWADT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 23 Spotbeam 20 from New Braunfels for EchoStar 10 at 110w

15027 WISE2, WISEDT2 REMOVED FROM Tp 18 Spotbeam 13 from Monee for EchoStar 10 at 110w

15028 WISE3, WISEDT3 REMOVED FROM Tp 18 Spotbeam 13 from Monee for EchoStar 10 at 110w

19047 FTSY, REMOVED FROM Tp 6 on EchoStar 8 at 110w

19066 DRACE ADDED TO Tp 11 on EchoStar 7 at 119w

CHANGE COUNT 248

286 BIOGR now in the Preview Showroom.

9326 KCWQ 2 now available.

[Mike D-CO5]

There goes my Cw sub channel guide. Scott G. said that Dish removed the guide information because of problems created by the sub guide information . I wonder if the problems created by the sub channel guide information had anything to do with the problems I had with it. I would make a recording from a manual timer and I would get a corrupted recording . If I did use the ota guide information it would record a one hour show but show 2 hours on the recording. Then when it got to the end of the first hour I would have to fast forward at 300x to get to the end of the recording.

[TNGTony]

Well there goes my CW as well. Darn!

I guess its okay since I only care about CW on Thursday and there is another program I'd rather record. Thank goodness I still have KTLA! :-D Wednesdays and Thursdays I am burning up my DVR!

See ya
Tony

[chaddux]

I guess they didnt want me to manage the Subchannel chart. They're eliminating its need! :lol:

[intrac]

Just when I was getting used to having the right guide info -- BAM -- it's gone on the subchannels, and on PBS.

Why would they do this?

[colavsfaninnwia]

Is there any OTA guide data left?

[Stewart Vernon]

On the plus side... if any of this excess of info was causing problems for some users... then it is good of them to back it out and reinvestigate.

Hopefully they figure out a better way to handle the data and can get things going in the future... I know I enjoyed the 1 day I had OTA subchannel data last week!

[James Long]

Is there any OTA guide data left?Only for channels that are also broadcast over the satellite. :(

[scottchez]

I reported a problem several months ago on the OTA guide data in the 14,000 range with Dish Tech Support.
They put in all of the 6 Nebraska PBS channels which had each 4 digital sub channels. Thats 6 times 4 = 24 14,000 channel maps.

None of them ever worked. Nebraska PBS also called Dish. I had a ticket with Dish tech support. It was never fixed after months.

Maybe they found the solution and the fix is to roll it all back and then redo the sub channel mappings on something new.

Some of my OTA mappings did work. Just not all. There was a problem from day one.

I know of others in other DMAs that had similar problems with other 14,000 channels and there guide data mapping down to the the digital sub channel.
It just did not always work. This is why I think they had to roll most of it back.

If hope they get this fixed because Direct TV has a working solution in place, so I know it can be done. Maybe they should just try to follow what direct tv is doing


More importantly I hope they do not forget about us and stop working on the fix. This is very important as I get an Independent Station, Two MYTV stations and PBS 1,2,3 and 4

[CABill]

Only for channels that are also broadcast over the satellite. :(
I still have EPG info for OTA subchannels that aren't available via Sat. 2 Sacto PBS (KVIE) 6-01 and 6-02, 5 SF PBS (KQED) 9-01 thru -05, SF's "KGO-" 7-03 has 4 hour blocks of "HD Doppler" (sure wish Digital Service were 4 hour blocks!). I may be gone with next week's purge, but there are still some non-sat subchannels available. LOTS more Digital Service now.

[JohnH]

Here are the ones still in the system:

KRMADT,KRMA1,14002,14002
KBDIDT2,KBDI2,14003,14003
KBDIDT3,KBDI3,14004,14004
KABCDT2,KABC2,14005,14005
KABCDT3,KABC3,14006,14006
KCETDT,KCET1,14007,14007
KMEXDT2,KMEX2,14008,14008
KLCSDT2,KLCS2,14009,14009
KLCSDT3,KLCS3,14010,14010
KLCSDT4,KLCS4,14011,14011
KXLADT2,KXLA2,14012,14012
KVMDDT,KVMD1,14013,14013
KOCEDT,KOCE1,14014,14014
KQEDDT,KQED1,14015,14015
KQEDDT2,KQED2,14016,14016
KQEDDT3,KQED3,14017,14017
KQEDDT4,KQED4,14018,14018
KQEDDT5,KQED5,14019,14019
KFSFDT,KFSF1,14021,14021
KRCBDT,KRCB1,14022,14022
KRCBDT2,KRCB2,14023,14023
KTLNDT,KTLN1,14026,14026
WLSDT2,WLS2,14033,14033
WWJDT2,WWJ2,14041,14041
WWJDT3,WWJ3,14042,14042
WWJDT4,WWJ4,14043,14043
WWJDT5,WWJ5,14044,14044
WNETDT3,WNET3,14066,14066
WNETDT,WNET1,14068,14068
WNETDT2,WNET2,14069,14069
WCEUDT2,WCEU2,14079,14079
WCEUDT3,WCEU3,14080,14080
WCEUDT4,WCEU4,14081,14081
WFTVDT2,WFTV2,14082,14082
WKMGDT2,WKMG2,14083,14083
WMFEDT2,WMFE2,14085,14085
KAETDT,KAET1,14095,14095
KSAZDT2,KSAZ2,14097,14097
KOVRDT2,KOVR2,14099,14099
KVIEDT,KVIE1,14102,14102
KVIEDT2,KVIE2,14103,14103
KTWBDT2,KTWB2,14113,14113
WETADT,WETA1,14123,14123
WETADT2,WETA2,14124,14124
WETADT3,WETA3,14125,14125
WETADT4,WETA4,14126,14126
WNVCDT2,WNVC2,14127,14127
KCPTDT2,KCPT2,14179,14179
WMAVDT2,WMAV2,14182,14182
KUEDDT2,KUED2,14210,14210
KUEDDT3,KUED3,14211,14211
KBYUDT3,KBYU3,14212,14212
KUENDT,KUEN1,14215,14215
KUENDT2,KUEN2,14216,14216
WEIQDT,WEIQ1,14284,14284
WPRIDT2,WPRI2,14295,14295
WBRADT2,WBRA2,14301,14301
WBRADT5,WBRA5,14302,14302
WDBJDT2,WDBJ2,14303,14303
WDBJDT3,WDBJ3,14304,14304
KISUDT2,KISU2,14341,14341
KISUDT5,KISU5,14342,14342
KISUDT3,KISU3,14343,14343
KISUDT4,KISU4,14344,14344
KYNEDT,KYNE1,14355,14355
KYNEDT2,KYNE2,14356,14356
KYNEDT3,KYNE3,14357,14357
KYNEDT5,KYNE5,14358,14358
KHQDT2,KHQ2,14364,14364
WISDT2,WIS2,14374,14374
WISDT3,WIS3,14375,14375
WRJADT2,WRJA2,14378,14378
WRJADT3,WRJA3,14379,14379
WHADT,WHA1,14384,14384
KELODT2,KELO2,14437,14437
KCSDDT,KCSD1,14438,14438
KXNEDT,KXNE1,14468,14468
KXNEDT2,KXNE2,14469,14469
KXNEDT3,KXNE3,14470,14470
KXNEDT5,KXNE5,14471,14471
KDEVDT2,KDEV2,14478,14478
KTNEDT,KTNE1,14479,14479
KTNEDT2,KTNE2,14480,14480
KTNEDT3,KTNE3,14481,14481
KTNEDT5,KTNE5,14482,14482
KBHEDT,KBHE1,14489,14489
KRNEDT,KRNE1,14490,14490
KRNEDT2,KRNE2,14491,14491
KRNEDT3,KRNE3,14492,14492
KDEVDT3,KDEV3,14516,14516
KDEVDT4,KDEV4,14517,14517
KDEVDT5,KDEV5,14518,14518
KWGNDT2,KWGN2,14535,14535
WBNADT2,WBNA2,14560,14560
WBCCDT3,WBCC3,14582,14582
WBCCDT4,WBCC4,14583,14583
WNACDT2,WNAC2,14589,14589
WMTVDT2,WMTV2,14594,14594
WMCDT2,WMC2,14595,14595
KSINDT,KSIN1,14601,14601
WPXXDT2,WPXX2,14603,14603
Test chan,ATLK1,14608,14608
Test chan,ATLK2,14609,14609
KXRMDT2,KXRM2,14610,14610
WPXMDT2,WPXM2,14617,14617
WGCLDT2,WGCL2,14619,14619
WGCLDT3,WGCL3,14620,14620
WTBSDT2,WTBS2,14621,14621
WXIADT2,WXIA2,14622,14622
WWWBDT2,WWWB2,14644,14644
WLSDT3,WLS3,14647,14647
WDEFDT2,WDEF2,14650,14650
WFLIDT2,WFLI2,14651,14651
WRCBDT2,WRCB2,14652,14652
WTCIDT4,WTCI4,14653,14653
WTVCDT2,WTVC2,14654,14654
WLWTDT2,WLWT2,14655,14655
WPTODT3,WPTO3,14656,14656
WPTODT4,WPTO4,14657,14657
WPTODT5,WPTO5,14658,14658
WPTODT6,WPTO6,14659,14659
KMIZDT2,KMIZ2,14660,14660
KMIZDT3,KMIZ3,14661,14661
KMIZDT4,KMIZ4,14662,14662
WEAODT3,WEAO3,14663,14663
WKYCDT2,WKYC2,14666,14666
WUABDT2,WUAB2,14667,14667
WVIZDT2,WVIZ2,14668,14668
KUSADT2,KUSA2,14684,14684
KDLTDT2,KDLT2,14700,14700
KHONDT2,KHON2,14702,14702
WUPNDT2,WUPN2,14716,14716
KHWBDT2,KHWB2,14723,14723
KMOSDT,KMOS1,14744,14744
KCPTDT3,KCPT3,14745,14745
KCPTDT4,KCPT4,14746,14746
KCTVDT2,KCTV2,14747,14747
KCTVDT3,KCTV3,14748,14748
KSCIDT2,KSCI2,14751,14751
KOCEDT2,KOCE2,14752,14752
KNBCDT2,KNBC2,14753,14753
KVMDDT2,KVMD2,14754,14754
KVMDDT3,KVMD3,14755,14755
WMCDT2,WMC2,14775,14775
WEARDT2,WEAR2,14790,14790
WPMIDT2,WPMI2,14791,14791
WSREDT,WSRE1,14792,14792
WSREDT2,WSRE2,14793,14793
WSREDT3,WSRE3,14794,14794
WOWTDT2,WOWT2,14810,14810
WBCCDT2,WBCC2,14811,14811
WESHDT2,WESH2,14812,14812
WMFEDT3,WMFE3,14813,14813
WMFEDT4,WMFE4,14814,14814
KNXVDT2,KNXV2,14824,14824
KPHODT2,KPHO2,14825,14825
KPHODT3,KPHO3,14826,14826
KPNXDT2,KPNX2,14827,14827
KTVWDT2,KTVW2,14828,14828
KUTPDT2,KUTP2,14829,14829
WCWBDT2,WCWB2,14830,14830
KGWDT2,KGW2,14837,14837
WJARDT2,WJAR2,14844,14844
WSETDT2,WSET2,14854,14854
KBYUDT4,KBYU4,14855,14855
KGODT2,KGO2,14876,14876
KGODT3,KGO3,14877,14877
KSLDT2,KSL2,14882,14882
KSTUDT2,KSTU2,14883,14883
KTVXDT3,KTVX3,14884,14884
KUPXDT2,KUPX2,14885,14885
WJLADT2,WJLA2,14925,14925
WNVTDT2,WNVT2,14926,14926
WRCDT2,WRC2,14927,14927
WUSADT2,WUSA2,14928,14928
WVPYDT2,WVPY2,14929,14929
WVPYDT3,WVPY3,14930,14930
WVIRDT3,WVIR3,15001,15001
WVFXDT2,WVFX2,15003,15003
WOSUDT2,WOSU2,15004,15004
WRGTDT2,WRGT2,15012,15012
WHSVDT4,WHSV4,15039,15039

[James Long]

More than I expected. Thanks for the update!

[alebowgm]

Any idea why more ESPN Alt feeds? What is coming up on ESPN that they need them for...??? Only thing I can think of is maybe some NCAA Basketball pre March Madness?

[JohnH]

Women's Basketball on Sunday.

[Darkman]

My Favorite!

Woman's Basketball... on Sunday in addition - Paradise! :D

[JohnH]

191 G4 MOVED FROM Tp 14 on EchoStar 7 at 119w
TO Tp 12 on EchoStar 7 at 119w

204 COURT, COURT REMOVED FROM Tp 2 on EchoStar 7 at 119w

435 FOXNE MOVED FROM Tp 12 on EchoStar 7 at 119w
TO Tp 14 on EchoStar 7 at 119w

502 PPV MOVED FROM Tp 21 on EchoStar 7 at 119w
TO Tp 6 on EchoStar 7 at 119w

5816 VOD MOVED FROM Tp 21 on EchoStar 7 at 119w
TO Tp 6 on EchoStar 7 at 119w

7644 KDRV MOVED FROM Tp 10 on EchoStar 2 at 148w
TO Tp 18 on EchoStar 2 at 148w

7645 KTVL MOVED FROM Tp 10 on EchoStar 2 at 148w
TO Tp 18 on EchoStar 2 at 148w

7646 KOBI MOVED FROM Tp 10 on EchoStar 2 at 148w
TO Tp 18 on EchoStar 2 at 148w

7647 KMVU MOVED FROM Tp 10 on EchoStar 2 at 148w
TO Tp 18 on EchoStar 2 at 148w

7650 KSYS MOVED FROM Tp 10 on EchoStar 2 at 148w
TO Tp 18 on EchoStar 2 at 148w

7651 KBLN MOVED FROM Tp 10 on EchoStar 2 at 148w
TO Tp 18 on EchoStar 2 at 148w

7846 WIS, REMOVED FROM Tp 7s14 on EchoStar 7 at 119w

7950 KTWO MOVED FROM Tp 14 on EchoStar 2 at 148w
TO Tp 4 on EchoStar 2 at 148w

7951 KGWC MOVED FROM Tp 14 on EchoStar 2 at 148w
TO Tp 4 on EchoStar 2 at 148w

7952 KCWY MOVED FROM Tp 14 on EchoStar 2 at 148w
TO Tp 4 on EchoStar 2 at 148w

7953 KFNB MOVED FROM Tp 14 on EchoStar 2 at 148w
TO Tp 4 on EchoStar 2 at 148w

7956 KCWC MOVED FROM Tp 14 on EchoStar 2 at 148w
TO Tp 4 on EchoStar 2 at 148w

7991 KTXE MOVED FROM Tp 8 on EchoStar 2 at 148w
TO Tp 12 on EchoStar 2 at 148w

7992 KLST MOVED FROM Tp 8 on EchoStar 2 at 148w
TO Tp 12 on EchoStar 2 at 148w

7993 KSAN MOVED FROM Tp 8 on EchoStar 2 at 148w
TO Tp 12 on EchoStar 2 at 148w

7994 KIDY MOVED FROM Tp 8 on EchoStar 2 at 148w
TO Tp 12 on EchoStar 2 at 148w

9381 KTBY, REMOVED FROM Tp 26 Spotbeam 46 from Cheyenne for EchoStar 10 at 110w

9411 NAUHS MOVED FROM Tp 12 on EchoStar 7 at 119w
TO Tp 11 on EchoStar 7 at 119w

9419 A&E MOVED FROM Tp 20 on EchoStar 3 at 61.5w
TO Tp 22 on EchoStar 3 at 61.5w

9427 UNIHD MOVED FROM Tp 19 on Rainbow 1 at 61.5w
TO Tp 22 on EchoStar 3 at 61.5w

9427 UNIHD MOVED FROM Tp 19 ConUS beam on EchoStar 5 at 129w
TO Tp 27 ConUS beam on EchoStar 5 at 129w

9763 ALLWP ADDED TO Tp 25 on EchoStar 3 at 61.5w
allworship.com

CHANGE COUNT 30

[SMosher]

Thanks for the info!

[Hall]

Here are the ones still in the system: Something screwy is going on.... If having this guide data was causing "problems" with "some receivers", why are *any* virtual channels still available ??

[tsmacro]

204 COURT, COURT REMOVED FROM Tp 2 on EchoStar 7 at 119w





buh-bye Court TV:wave:

[juan ellitinez]

Something screwy is going on.... If having this guide data was causing "problems" with "some receivers", why are *any* virtual channels still available ?? i could be wrong. I think there is a meory limit in some receivers (301 for example) that limits the size of guide that can be downloaded. The guide is just too large for some receivers .(I do believe) all recievers receive the same guide data either 48 hour or 9 day

[Darkman]

Something screwy is going on.... If having this guide data was causing "problems" with "some receivers", why are *any* virtual channels still available ??
Maybe they will take those off (or some more of those anyhow) next week.. you never know with 'em...


9763 ALLWP ADDED TO Tp 25 on EchoStar 3 at 61.5w
allworship.com

Cool! ... I was waiting for this one! :D

[Hall]

i could be wrong. I think there is a meory limit in some receivers (301 for example) that limits the size of guide that can be downloaded. The guide is just too large for some receivers . So customers in the areas that are still receiving the sub-channel guide data and have these memory-limited receivers are going to continue to have problems....

[pdxsam]

Not necessarily. What has already been removed may be all that was necessary to get under the limit. If that is truly the issue.

[James Long]

i could be wrong. I think there is a meory limit in some receivers (301 for example) that limits the size of guide that can be downloaded. The guide is just too large for some receivers .(I do believe) all recievers receive the same guide data either 48 hour or 9 dayThey may need to rewrite the way the guide is downloaded (ignoring entries in the stream for channels that are not on a person's receiver). I thought the receivers already did this. It seems wasteful to keep track of thousands of channels when only hundreds are needed for an individual customer.

[scottchez]

Cant they do like with Direct TV does and use Spot beams for Guide data. That way you only get guide data for locals for your spot beam or for Digital Sub channels for your area. No overloading memory that way.

Just an idea, Dish are you listening hint hint hint.

I cant record HAWAii- 5-O or the old Mission impossible with out my OTA sub channel guide data.
Lets not also forget the old Wild Wild West shows.

And the wife cant record Orphra.

I get Two different Mynetwork TVs and one Independent all OTA on sub channels.

We are not happy. We pay $5 a month for guide data. We want it back please.

[Hall]

They may need to rewrite the way the guide is downloaded (ignoring entries in the stream for channels that are not on a person's receiver). I thought the receivers already did this. In the case of non-DVR receivers, they have a few days worth of guide data, correct ?? Newer (522 and on) DVR receivers have nine days worth. I agree with you that it should only download 3 days worth if that's all it can display or 9 days worth if it can display that much.

As far as downloading ALL of the, in this case, virtual channel data, maybe that's the problem or it leads to the problem. The receivers have capacity for all the analog local data (nationwide) but now you've easily doubled or tripled the amount. Presuming every analog channel has at least one related digital channel, you get double. Many stations have a main digital channel and a sub-channel. What we don't want is Dish restricting the guide data (and sub-channel data) to our local market. Plenty of people can receive stations via OTA from multiple markets.

You said to "ignore entries in the stream for channels that are not on a person's receiver". What do you mean ?? That if you don't subscribe to a channel, not to download the guide data ?? That would negate having the "All Chan" toggle in the guide selection....

[Hall]

We pay $5 a month for guide data. We want it back please. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Dish supplies guide data for the channels they supply you. They don't supply the OTA channels, so supplying us the guide data for them is a "freebie". Sure, I want it myself, but if they don't or even do supply it then take it away, I have no $$$ grounds to complain on.

[James Long]

In the case of non-DVR receivers, they have a few days worth of guide data, correct ?? Newer (522 and on) DVR receivers have nine days worth. I agree with you that it should only download 3 days worth if that's all it can display or 9 days worth if it can display that much.Non DVRs get 44 hours, DVRs get 9 days (including my 501). The data comes from two different streams. The 44 hour guide is available at each and every active satellite location, the full 9 day guide is available only on 119°. (There is also a now/next guide on every active transponder, but that only has data for what is on now and on next for every channel.)You said to "ignore entries in the stream for channels that are not on a person's receiver". What do you mean ?? That if you don't subscribe to a channel, not to download the guide data ?? That would negate having the "All Chan" toggle in the guide selection....If you cannot receive a channel, regardless of the choice of subscription, your receiver should ignore the data.

For example, while the receiver is spooling through the data it should toss all hidden channels unless one has subscribed (this would be all locals except your own and any other unsubscribed hidden channel). I thought it already did this since when locals are added to an account the EPG isn't instantly added. Also the receiver should ignore any channel on a satellite not in the customer's system (I don't need a guide for channels on 148° and 121° since I don't have a dish that picks those up). I thought it already did this too since the EPG is redownloaded when a Check Switch is done and the satellite lineup changes.

As noted, I thought it already did this, so the size of the download issue should have already been solved. If there is a tech issue with this I'd look more at the receivers that would use the data (211/411/622/811/921/942 etc) and not the ones that would discard it.

The only issue I see with receivers discarding the data is the length of time it takes to spool through all that data. Think of it as a congested network ... your packets carrying your data to your machine come slower because other people's packets are also on that network. If the network only carrys the packets your machine needs the download comes faster.

I'm sure E* will come up with something ... it just may take a little time.

[TNGTony]

In case anybody missed it in the changes John posted:

WIS - Columbia, SC NBC affiliate was removed from the Florence TV market locals

The Anchorage Fox affiliate was removed from the Juneau TV market locals.

Court TV listings channel 204 was COMPLETELY removed

A radio Channel called "All Worship" is now uplinked to Sky Angel but not yet available.

Tony

[Hall]

Can they target these virtual channels to specific receiver models ?? Someone mentioned the 301 receivers possibly having too little memory to hold this data. Well, why is the 301 even trying to get this data ?? It can do nothing with it.

[Hall]

For example, while the receiver is spooling through the data it should toss all hidden channels unless one has subscribed (this would be all locals except your own and any other unsubscribed hidden channel). That would mean if you upgrade from AT60 to AT120 or even add a movie tier, you'd have to do a complete guide download though. It also would stop me from getting Cincinnati local guide data that I could pick up OTA when I only subscribe to Dayton locals. I don't like that idea....
I'm sure E* will come up with something ... it just may take a little time. Hah !! A "little time" ?? Does E* do anything fast ?? :D

[Stewart Vernon]

They may need to rewrite the way the guide is downloaded (ignoring entries in the stream for channels that are not on a person's receiver). I thought the receivers already did this. It seems wasteful to keep track of thousands of channels when only hundreds are needed for an individual customer.

I'm with you... That's how I thought the EPG worked already. I thought that the receiver updated the EPG by "looking" for it periodically, and then downloading the information but ignoring channels that were not possible on that receiver. "Not possible" channels would include channels on a satellite that the receiver does not yet see (like channels on 148 if you don't have a dish pointed there) as well as channels not available in your area (like all the LIL for the entire US when you can only get your DMA).

But maybe the receivers just aren't that smart yet... and are downloading the whole bagillion channel EPG for channels you could never view in your area... and storing all that info, just not showing it to you... and maybe they did overload some receiver models (particularly legacy models I would suspect).

IF this is the problem... then they'd have to re-write software for all receivers probably to be smart enough to ignore and not store data based on where the receiver is located... but the only way they can do that is if the receiver has your ZIP code or something in it to use as a basis for throwing away data. Maybe more or less difficult than I'm imagining, but still new code for all receivers.

Pure speculation of course... but if this is the problem, it would make sense... and is fixable but may be some time coming.

[Hall]

I'm positive that the receivers do ignore channels from satellites not being looked at or rec'd from. People talk about the HD demo channel. I've no idea even what channel # it is because even when I put the guide into "All Chan" display, that channel doesn't appear. Why ?? 'cause I don't have a dish pointed at 61.5'.

[CABill]

I think they try to take care of the "zipcode limits" by associating all the OTA subchannel info with specific spotbeams. My location gets nearby DMAs on the same spot (different trs) but it is safe to ignore the info for all spots I don't see which could rule out a LOT of the additions that dissappeared.

They would still take a good deal of time in the current/next loop on all transponder which has to contain everything.

[mwgiii]

If nothing else, how about Dish add back the sub-channel data for the channels that matter.

Here we lost PBS-HD guide data. All of the other sub-channels were just weather or radar.

So why not just uplink up our PBS-HD data and forget the rest?

[James Long]

For example, while the receiver is spooling through the data it should toss all hidden channels unless one has subscribed (this would be all locals except your own and any other unsubscribed hidden channel).That would mean if you upgrade from AT60 to AT120 or even add a movie tier, you'd have to do a complete guide download though. It also would stop me from getting Cincinnati local guide data that I could pick up OTA when I only subscribe to Dayton locals. I don't like that idea.... Note I wrote HIDDEN channels ... except for the music channels, the non-subscribed channels one would get by upgrading AT packages or adding movie packages are not hidden.

Any hidden channels added during the day would show EPG for now and next, just like new channels do before a complete EPG can be downloaded. I noticed when I added an out of market OTA Fort Wayne channel to my receiver that I didn't get EPG immediately, but during the overnight EPG download the guide was populated (and I still get that data).

As noted, I believe that is the way that E* is already running the data streams and EPG. Which is why the idea of "too big" as far as storage size doesn't seem right ...

The behavior I have witnessed matches what I would expect from a "properly" written EPG program that would discard unneeded information and keep the file size as small as possible. Perhaps there is an older model out there that isn't that smart. The new ones are showing all signs of being programmed right.

[John W]

Note I wrote HIDDEN channels ... except for the music channels, the non-subscribed channels one would get by upgrading AT packages or adding movie packages are not hidden.

Any hidden channels added during the day would show EPG for now and next, just like new channels do before a complete EPG can be downloaded. I noticed when I added an out of market OTA Fort Wayne channel to my receiver that I didn't get EPG immediately, but during the overnight EPG download the guide was populated (and I still get that data).

As noted, I believe that is the way that E* is already running the data streams and EPG. Which is why the idea of "too big" as far as storage size doesn't seem right ...

The behavior I have witnessed matches what I would expect from a "properly" written EPG program that would discard unneeded information and keep the file size as small as possible. Perhaps there is an older model out there that isn't that smart. The new ones are showing all signs of being programmed right.

You know what would be nice is if we had folks on here like on Broadband Reports-from the provider-who could tell us wth is going on.I'm sure though there are reasons thats not doable or appropriate.

[JohnH]

204 TEST ADDED TO Tp 2 on EchoStar 7 at 119w

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[juan ellitinez]

Note I wrote HIDDEN channels ... except for the music channels, the non-subscribed channels one would get by upgrading AT packages or adding movie packages are not hidden.

Any hidden channels added during the day would show EPG for now and next, just like new channels do before a complete EPG can be downloaded. I noticed when I added an out of market OTA Fort Wayne channel to my receiver that I didn't get EPG immediately, but during the overnight EPG download the guide was populated (and I still get that data).

As noted, I believe that is the way that E* is already running the data streams and EPG. Which is why the idea of "too big" as far as storage size doesn't seem right ...

The behavior I have witnessed matches what I would expect from a "properly" written EPG program that would discard unneeded information and keep the file size as small as possible. Perhaps there is an older model out there that isn't that smart. The new ones are showing all signs of being programmed right. How about this theory..Customer has locals via E* from NYC and adds an out door attenna. Now is able to recieve digital channels From Philly and NYC.. Thats approximantly another 80 channels of guide data (NJ digital channels,philly digital channels,NYC digital channels,allentown digital channels) Could that be causing congestion or possibly a memory overload on some older receivers? the reciver would have to download all guide data to provide program info on out of market signals correct? Or do you only get digital data for the locals you subscribe to?

[JohnH]

What older receivers would actually be loading these channels? No SD only receiver should be loading these channels. The 6000u does not use the channels.

[James Long]

204 TEST ADDED TO Tp 2 on EchoStar 7 at 119w:DWhat older receivers would actually be loading these channels? No SD only receiver should be loading these channels. The 6000u does not use the channels.I agree and was about to post the same thing.

[JohnH]

204 renamed COURT and is now available. :)

[Darkman]

The divorce was brief.... and lasted pretty short time ONLY :D

[Mike D-CO5]

The divorce was brief.... and lasted pretty short time ONLY :D


It was more like a trial seperation between the two. :sure:

[JohnH]

9800 SPORT MOVED FROM Tp 24 on EchoStar 8 at 110w
TO Tp 16 on EchoStar 8 at 110w

[Michael P]

Here is my experience with subchannel guide data (on a 921).

You may get a few suchannel listings, that may or may not be the correct listings. When you do get see them in the EPG you can also see the program's info.

Normal up to now, but here is where things get weird:
IF you are actually watching the subchannel and hit "info" I get "Info not available" ?!? Also the browse-banner has a different name then what is listed in the EPG "WVIZ2", "WKYC2" etc. For DVR's I bet the missing/altered browse-banner information is causing the recording malfunctions. I have not tried recording a listed subchanel program yet myself to confirm, however I bet this has to be causing some issues.

So from my observation, the subchannel data that is being supplied is not as complete as the "main channels" data.

As for PBS, there is no standardization among PBS stations as to how they use subchannels. The SD feed that on a commercial station would be the ".1" For a PBS station the SD channel might be .2 or .3, or not carried digitally at all. I was getting "Local Programming" for WVIZ 25.1 when one day the PBS HD guide showed up! Guess what, the browse banner had "WVIZ1" insted of the program name. So here was a case where the main channel, not the subchannel got the same treatment as a subchannel (since the LIL WVIZ data should have mapped to 25.3). My other local PBS has their main feed SD channel on 49.2. Even though they are carried LIL the guide data gets mapped to 49.3 with an incorrect "off air" listing for prime time.

As I posted in the 921 forum, PBS must be driving the E* EPG techs nuts!

[James Long]

As for PBS, there is no standardization among PBS stations as to how they use subchannels. The SD feed that on a commercial station would be the ".1" For a PBS station the SD channel might be .2 or .3, or not carried digitally at all.Actually it would be safe to say that no assumptions should be made based on local observations. In my market the commercial stations all have their HD on .1 (not SD as suggested above) and the one commercial station that also transmits a SD simulcast has that on .2. One commercial station has a .2 with completely different programming and a .3 weather channel. Another has no HD at all and just puts out the .1 subchannel in SD. The PBS here simulcasts their NTSC SD channel on ATSC .2 and carries a national HD feed on .1 (no local content).

I don't have any stations in my market that dynamically change feeds during the day (although the PBS station said that they were going to do that "in the future" - dump the HD when not in prime time and put up to six SD feeds on the ATSC channel). That has to be confusing for a receiver unless the station always has the subchannel there but points the "off air" subchannels to a low bandwidth black screen so it isn't just a missing channel.

All channels on an ATSC feed are subchannels, even the .1 on an ATSC feed with only one set of audio/video. The numbering is an option - A station could put up their subchannels as .10 and .20 if they wished, or .9 and .67. (I have not seen or heard of a station actually doing that.) It is also possible to have different "virtual channels" on the ATSC feed. The ATSC standard is rubust.

In any case, there are too many market to market variations to assume that what one market is doing is what all markets are doing. Which is where purchased data comes in. E* does not have to assume what EPG goes with what OTA feed, they need to get the linking information from their vendor - and get it right.

The 921 problem is interesting and is the first sign of any real problem I've seen reported with the new OTA EPG data (other than mismatches). Perhaps that is the receiver that is having problems enough to get the 14000 and 15000 channels pulled.

[Michael P]

In my market the commercial stations all have their HD on .1 (not SD as suggested above) What I meant to say in my previous post insted of "The SD feed on a commercial station would be .1" was the SD feed that E* carries in their LIL's would have the same guide data as the OTA HD feed on .1.

Therefore the only OTA stations (HD or SD) that "work" (i.e. have the same correct data in both the EPG and browse banner/info screen) on my 921 are those station who: 1.) are caried in the E* LIL's and 2.) have that same shedule, albeit in HD or SD, on ATSC channel .1. All commercial stations I have observed had the same schedule on both analog/LIL and HD/ATSC .1.
The usual YMMV disclaimer applies.

The numbering is an option - A station could put up their subchannels as .10 and .20 if they wished, or .9 and .67. (I have not seen or heard of a station actually doing that.) Actually there is a set format for the numbering of subchannels. WVIZ-DT used to carry an audio-only service on .26 iirc. When they dropped that feed in favor of finally carrying a digital version of their main SD feed that new subchannel was named .3. Their .1 feed has alwayd been PBS HD. The guide data appeared breifly on WVIZ-DT 25.1, however the 921's browse banner had "WVIZ1" as the program name and "No info available" when hitting the info button. Hitting the same info button while inthe EPG would give program information.

The EPG correctly has information for the following commercial station subchannels form the Cleveland DMA: WKYC 3.2 "Weather Plus, Hometown weather" and WUAB 43.2 "The Tube Music Videos". The browse-banner for these two do not agree with the EPG. Additionally the non-commercial WVIZ 25.2 "The Ohio Channel" has correct data in the EPG only. NOTE: The 2 commercial stations have the same "program" 24 hours a day, while The Ohio Channel has differing programs that do appear in the WVIZ 25.2 EPG.

[James Long]

I would say that it is most common that the .1 subchannel matches the NTSC broadcast in program title ... which is probably why E* has made that assumptions in most cases. They do need to get the 14000's and 15000's back and stop the assuming!

Any set format for the numbering of subchannels is set by the station. It is most common to use the low numbers in order, but stations are free to use any valid subchannel numbering they want.

The issues you saw on your 921 are unique, as far as I can tell. I didn't see any such problems on my 622 for the brief time my OTA locals had EPG data.

[Stewart Vernon]

Interestingly... I have the "bug" I've seen mentioned now on my ViP622 for Raleigh WRAL and WRAZ guide info.

Prior to yesterday, I had corresponding guide info for 5.1 and 50.1 in my EPG that matched the 5-00 and 50-00 from satellite. All was well because in my market this data is valid and correct.

But... yesterday I got my + dish upgrade so I can now see 118.7 and get the two locals in HD that are available here (11 and 17, ABC and NBC respectively)... Well, ever since the checkswitch and reboot and including a nightly update now... My 5.1 and 50.1 EPG data is intermittent. Other channels are working as before... but my 5.1 and 50.1 data is gone when I first turn on the receiver "Digital Channel" info only... then after a couple of hours being turned on, the 5.1 and 50.1 data appears.

Since the only thing changed about my system was installation of a DPP44 switch and new dish to see 118.7 (now seeing 110/119/129/118.7)... I have to assume the addition of that 4th orbital slot and all the new EPG data from the internationals there is causing this intermittent hiccup.

I have seen others complain about this recently and now I know what they are talking about. If I had to guess, I would bet there is a relation between this EPG problem and the other problems rumored regarding all that data Dish backed out of the system last week.

[JohnH]

145 ESPNA MOVED FROM Tp 18 on EchoStar 7 at 119w
TO Tp 24 on EchoStar 8 at 110w

146 ESP2A MOVED FROM Tp 10 on EchoStar 7 at 119w
TO Tp 16 on EchoStar 8 at 110w