0x12a - HDMI improvements?

[Cobra]

I read about the improvements on dvi/hdmi, has anyone seen any improvement on hdmi connections?
Thanks

[say-what]

I wouldn't know. My hdmi has always worked and still does......

[Cobra]

mine works, just the pq isnt very good, trying component now

[bonscott87]

There are almost always "HDMI improvements" in every release. Besides other things this mostly means they found yet another TV with a bad HDMI version they could provide a work around for in code on their end.

[JACKIEGAGA]

I wouldn't know. My hdmi has always worked and still does......

Same here

[Doug Brott]

I've had ups and downs regarding HDMI on my set. 0x120 seemed a little worse than earlier with getting synchronized properly. I haven't used my HDMI connected HR20 enough (read: at all) to pass judgment, though. My HDMI problems have been mostly minimal and I haven't dutifully continued to report the bug, but I will likely start adding it to a standard report template until it is fully repaired - that is if it isn't already fixed.

[Malibu13]

I wouldn't know. My hdmi has always worked and still does......

Then why reply to the OP's post:confused:

I believe he was asking for signs of improvement from those who were or are having issues with their HDMI.

[say-what]

Then why reply to the OP's post:confused:

I believe he was asking for signs of improvement from those who were or are having issues with their HDMI.
Well, in part b/c I'm curious too about what improvements have been made that others are seeing, since I've not noticed anything...guess I should have added that in my post....

[Malibu13]

Well, in part b/c I'm curious too about what improvements have been made that others are seeing, since I've not noticed anything...guess I should have added that in my post....

Thanks, as a clarification always helps. :)

[lwilli201]

CE 128 and 12A has caused a strange thing to happen. When I turn off my receiver the picture freezes and stays on the screen. This happens only on the HDMI input. Some how the receiver is leaving a frame on the TV. It remains there even if I unplug the HDMI from the receiver. I dont think this is a serious problem, but I think it underscores the multitude of problems with HDMI.

Is there supposed to be a blanking signal between each frame?

[westernamerican]

Then why reply to the OP's post:confused:

I believe he was asking for signs of improvement from those who were or are having issues with their HDMI.


Just read the posts then if there is nothing to add!

[NKy.Yall]

There has been a BIG improvement for me with the HDMI upgrades. I have a Samsung which sometimes does not play well with the HR-20. At first I would get video but only brief audio then it would go quiet after a few mins. Shortly after that I did not get anything A or V. Now " knock on wood" it runs great on both fronts.Keep up the good work D-Techs, I for one appreciate the effort !!!!!!

[Cobra]

good to hear you are seeing improvements Yall. 1 more question, for those of you using hdmi cables, is the connection into your tv and hr20 box snug, can you wiggle the hdmi connector when its plugged into the box and tv? Just trying to sort some things out on my end. I have switched to monster 600 component cables, and the picture has a better pq. My hdmi connectors are loose, and I can wiggle the head of the connector, which may be why I dont see as good of pq as with my component cables. I am using a phillips brand hdmi, I am using this because I have heard for short distances, mine is less then 3', its not as important. I am thinking of getting a monster hdmi cable to see if it improves. I owe dtv an apology, I was pretty unhappy with my pq, but since I have switched to component, it is better. Should of tried that a long time ago. Still would like to try a better brand of hdmi cable

[azarby]

I have HDMI problems with the intial powering up screens. On some versions, when I do the RBR, I get the initial power up screens, some I don't. Prior to 120, I did not get the intial powering up screen. After 120, I would get the intial screens. After 128, I did not get the screen. I haven't had to do an RBR for 12a, so I'm not sure of the current status. This is all to a Panasonc plasma with an HDMI switch. Lets be consistent. If you fix something, lets not break it again.

Bob

[xerxes]

This may not be appropriate for this thread but I am not sure, my HDMI input works but the guide falls of the screen to the left. I figure it is because it is shifting the entire screen to the left too far. Does anyone else have this problem or is it something faulty with my TV?

[AlbertZeroK]

Can I use HDMI and Component HD outputs at the same time yet?

I want to have two TV's (possibly 3) connected to the same HR20. I would prefer to keep HDMI and was thinking getting a 4 Port DVI repeater and hooking up both LCD's and my TV up to the DVI repeater with DVI to HDMI cables and DVI to DVI cables. Of course, I don't know if I can go 60 ft with DVI out of the repeater.

[NKy.Yall]

can you wiggle the hdmi connector when its plugged into the box and tv?
Yes my connection has a loose fit to it as well,mainly on the TV the sat box end seems fairly secure.

[rsblaski]

good to hear you are seeing improvements Yall. 1 more question, for those of you using hdmi cables, is the connection into your tv and hr20 box snug, can you wiggle the hdmi connector when its plugged into the box and tv? Just trying to sort some things out on my end. I have switched to monster 600 component cables, and the picture has a better pq. My hdmi connectors are loose, and I can wiggle the head of the connector, which may be why I dont see as good of pq as with my component cables. I am using a phillips brand hdmi, I am using this because I have heard for short distances, mine is less then 3', its not as important. I am thinking of getting a monster hdmi cable to see if it improves. I owe dtv an apology, I was pretty unhappy with my pq, but since I have switched to component, it is better. Should of tried that a long time ago. Still would like to try a better brand of hdmi cable

Cobra,
Please, please, please do not buy a Monster HDMI cable!!!! Digital signals either work or they don't.
I don't know why you would get a better picture with component. HDMI should provide the best pq since you are running a digital signal without doing any digital/analog conversion. Usually, component is only "as good as" or "almost as good as" HDMI.
btw, in the future, save yourself a lot of money by getting cables from Monoprice.com or some of the other vendors you can find recced in these forums. The quality is as good and your wallet will appreciate it. (I have a lot of Monster stuff, but when I wired our new house, I used mostly Monoprice stuff in the walls and with great success.) I will never buy Monster again.
As for the loose connections, this is a common occurrence for HDMI--I don't know why. I have read, however, that the HDMI protocol has been revised and that in the future, newer cables will have a tighter connection with equipment.

[Cobra]

thanks for the heads up rs, forgive me for my ingnorance, but is a higher or lower awg # better for hdmi, also, noticed the optical cables come in 2s? or at least that is what the picture shows, I would only need 1
Thanks again

[Coffey77]

I will start by saying that I was quite happy with my Component connection but I decided to try hooking up the HDMI to DVI on my television and let me tell you... It's great. I was actually missing parts of the picture as my television had an odd way of scanning my component video. The HDMI is quite clearer and smoother. I'm still running 720p but I'm going to stick with the HDMI. Now I just need a switcher. :) (I"m getting too old to get up off the couch to change it back to the DVD player ;))

[rsblaski]

thanks for the heads up rs, forgive me for my ingnorance, but is a higher or lower awg # better for hdmi, also, noticed the optical cables come in 2s? or at least that is what the picture shows, I would only need 1
Thanks again

I'm not sure I clearly understand, but I know that monoprice sometimes shows pictures of their cables in such a way that both ends are visible. I think they do that so that in the case of cables with two different terminations, such as male/female or DVI/HDMI, the buyer will know exactly what he will find on each end of the cable.

If I misunderstand what you are asking, try again.

I THINK that in the case of awg numbers, higher numbers are thicker and are better for longer runs. This is opposite of guage (ga) numbers, where higher numbers = thinner wire. I'm pretty certain that somewhere on monoprice's site, they will explain the differences. If not, check crutchfield.com, they explain everything you would ever want to know about wire, cable and connections. Monoprice sells their cables in appropriate thicknesses for the length.
I've got a 35 foot HDMI cable in my walls and it is fine.
Good luck,
Rick

[ninerlou]

I'm one of those folks whose guide skews left hooked up to HDMI/DVI. I just downloaded 0x12a and was hoping to see improvement. I haven't noticed it. I do notice when in guide... hitting channel up and down button... the menu really zips now.

That's all I can see that's different right now.

[edmartin]

I posted earlier in the 12a issues thread about SD PQ on my Sony TV. I reported that I saw an improvement with 12a over my HDMI to DVI cable and that I'd try later to see what component looked like.

Not to repeat all of the previous post but on my TV, I have to have native on and all resolutions on (in particular, 480) for my SD's to be watchable. I saw significant improvement in 12a with native off and locked to 720 or 1080 - but to be fair, still not as good as native on and watching SD's in 480. As above, that was through HDMI (to a DVI adapter as my Sony doesn't have HDMI in).

I tried component again this morning. Wow, what a difference. A really BAD difference. I had tried component vs. HDMI on previous builds. There was no noticeable difference. But this time, it's night and day. Native off, locked to 720 or 1080. Via component, my SD's are as bad as ever (prior to 12a). Fuzzy and unwatchable. But via HDMI they are ALMOST as good as going native/480. But the difference between the 2 cables is startling. It's like a worn out VHS tape via coax vs. HD-DVD.

Also, "apples to apples", HDMI is smoking component now. With native on and all resolutions enabled, the PQ over my HDMI connection is definitely better than the same channel over component. And I have tried 2 different component cables to rule our any issue there.

For anyone who hasn't tried HDMI in a while, I'd suggest giving it a whirl in 12a. I know there have been other issues reported with HDMI. Personally, I have experienced no issues with HDMI and other than testing, I've stayed solely with HDMI since I installed the HR20 a couple of months ago. So, I can't speak to whether or not the other issues are fixed. But at least for me, whatever they did in terms of PQ in 12a is a huge improvement.

[RunnerFL]

Ok, I'm getting confused here... This post says 0x12b however the CE from the other night was 0x12a. Is there a 0x12b?

EDIT: Nevermind, Earl fixed his typo in http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=79370. It's 0x12a

[cantfish2much]

My HDMI works just just fine to a mitsu wd 57731.. The only thing I've noticed is that the text on the guide is not really as crisp as I would think it should be.

[hdtvfan0001]

I'm one of those folks whose guide skews left hooked up to HDMI/DVI. I just downloaded 0x12a and was hoping to see improvement. I haven't noticed it. I do notice when in guide... hitting channel up and down button... the menu really zips now.

That's all I can see that's different right now.
Keep in mind that the guide takes 24 hours to repopulate, and at least 10=12 hours before you can really see the full results of any firmware update.

[Cobra]

I guess what I am getting at, I have a phillips hdmi cable going to my jvc52g787 ILA, and monster component cables I just added, and the picture is significantly better then the hdmi, is it because of the brand of hdmi, phillips, or something with hdmi in general.

[DblD_Indy]

I read about the improvements on dvi/hdmi, has anyone seen any improvement on hdmi connections?
Thanks

I have seen improvement all around! HD and NON-HD, 12a has the best pq of any any of the releases yet.

For the dude who has loose HDMI cables take them back monster or not. Mine are nice and snug and I like em that way.