non-ViiV, how to make router see HR20-700?

[Kronk]

Hello,

I have a HR20-700, Netgear MR814 router
I've connected a CAT5 cable 'tween the two.
All that happens is a slow blink'n light on that port.
Can't see the HR20-700 in the router's config screen.

What might I be doing wrong. CAT5 is straight connect , not crossover

Latest firmware for router, 0x12a firmware for the HR20-700
WMP11 installed. I'd think, at this point, it wouldn't matter since the
router doesn't see the HR20-700

What might I've missed?

Kronk

[RunnerFL]

Make sure your router is assigning the HR20 an IP Address via DHCP. Then make sure your HR20 is set to aquire it's IP via DHCP.

[Kronk]

Make sure your router is assigning the HR20 an IP Address via DHCP. Then make sure your HR20 is set to aquire it's IP via DHCP.

Router is set assign to an IP via DHCP.
Don't really see a setting in the HR20 to aquire via DHCP.
Just advanced settings

I inputted:
IP 192.168.0.4 ;used that # other puters have .2 & .3
SUBMsk 255.255.255.0
DefGtwy 192.168.0.1
DNS 192.168.0.1

Doing a Reset of this shows something completely different from router IP's
169.254.8.216
255.255.0.0
Nothing
Nothing

When trying to connect that way.

Gonna try and RESET everything again..

Kronk

[johnblue3]

Router is set assign to an IP via DHCP.
Don't really see a setting in the HR20 to aquire via DHCP.
Just advanced settings

I inputted:
IP 192.168.0.4 ;used that # other puters have .2 & .3
SUBMsk 255.255.255.0
DefGtwy 192.168.0.1
DNS 192.168.0.1

Doing a Reset of this shows something completely different from router IP's
169.254.8.216
255.255.0.0
Nothing
Nothing

When trying to connect that way.

Gonna try and RESET everything again..

Kronk

I think you DNS IP is not correct. This usually refers to a Wide Area Server(ISP). Change that IP to agree with what your Router and computers use. Then click Connect Now on the Hr20. This should put the HR20 on your Home network with a fixed IP(best).

[bllreed]

First of all you need to have your own DNS server, which you won't have unless
you are running something like Server 2003, usually as a Domain Controller though this is not necessary. You can setup DNS on a server thats not a DC. I don't know of any home routers that have DNS capability.
Then you must add a host record for the HR20 or your pcs will never see it. DHCP
will give the HR20 an IP if you use the basic settings under networking on the HR20, however you must make sure that DHCP is enabled on your router and that you have a scope setup with the proper address range and other needed parameters. Once all this is done you need a ViiV compliant pc which is running
v1.50 of the Viiv software or at a minimum has the 2 Viiv registry entries and a dll
file called IntelDH.dll in your C:\windows\system32 directory. The pc must be running XP or Server 2003 or later, have a dual core CPU or better. Search for
Viiv at Intel's website for all requirements. Once all of this is done you will be able
to use the Menu key on the HR20 to access the music and photos/videos on the
Viiv pc/server.

[RunnerFL]

First of all you need to have your own DNS server, which you won't have unless
you are running something like Server 2003, usually as a Domain Controller though this is not necessary. You can setup DNS on a server thats not a DC. I don't know of any home routers that have DNS capability.



That is incorrect. You do not need to be running a DNS server at all. When your router makes a connection it discovers your ISP's DNS and uses them so you can just use your router's IP as your DNS entry on the HR20 and your router passes on DNS requests to your ISP's DNS.

[jgrade]

Leave the fields blank and set the router to broadcast DHCP. The blank settings are the same as setting "obtain IP address automatically". In WMP11 you need to turn the server on. See the other threads for an explanation. Reset the HR-2 and rerun the network setup, you should be set.

To troubleshoot, turn off firewalls, etc. You don not need a local DNS server.

[bllreed]

That is incorrect. You do not need to be running a DNS server at all. When your router makes a connection it discovers your ISP's DNS and uses them so you can just use your router's IP as your DNS entry on the HR20 and your router passes on DNS requests to your ISP's DNS.
I rather doubt that most ISP's will add entries for users pcs, printers,&
especially HR20's. If yours does you must have an "in" with the folks running
the ISP. This is really beside the point as it's the HR20 which connects to the
Viiv pc anyway. At this point in time, to the best of my knowledge, pcs on your
network can't "see" the HR20(s) or access any data streams on the DVR. On my
network my HR20 saw my Viiv pc once I added the proper registry entries and
copied IntelDH.dll to the proper directory, then rebooted. And I know for a fact
that my ISP does not have any entries for anything on my network with the
exception of my Exchange server, an entry I specifically requested.

[bllreed]

That is incorrect. You do not need to be running a DNS server at all. When your router makes a connection it discovers your ISP's DNS and uses them so you can just use your router's IP as your DNS entry on the HR20 and your router passes on DNS requests to your ISP's DNS.

Incidentally, what router do you have that will "discover" your ISP's DNS servers?
Does it discover the gateway and any time servers too? I'd like to get one of those if they aren't too pricey.

[Spanky_Partain]

Routers are programed in the home network to do just that "route". The ISP provides DNS IP addresses for the home user.

The simple home network uses DHCP service in the LAN. In this scenario the DNS IP addresses given to you from the IP provider is also entered into the setup of the router. Here is a simple setup page for home router.

DHCP Server: Enable
Starting IP Address: 192.168.1.10
Maximum Number of DHCP Users: 5
Client Lease Time: 0 minutes (0 means one day)
Static DNS 1: 68.94.156.1
Static DNS 2: 68.94.157.1
Static DNS 3: . . .
WINS: . . .

It would not require any special settings for the HR20 to obtain an IP address in the LAN and it would use the ISP supplied DNS IP addresses that are assigned in the router when the HR20 is setup for DHCP service.


If static IP is preferred, then all of the following information is grayed out except the Disable/Enable option for DHCP.

DHCP Server: Disable
Starting IP Address: 192.168.1.1
Maximum Number of DHCP Users:
Client Lease Time: X minutes (0 means one day)
Static DNS 1: . . .
Static DNS 2: . . .
Static DNS 3: . . .
WINS: . . .

In a static IP scheme DNS IP addresses must be used on ALL PC's, HR20's, and any other networked device. Again these are the DNS IP addresses provided to you from your ISP.

Now in some instances DHCP is preferred in the home for ease of use. There are times that static IP's are still needed in the home when using networked printers for instance. In the above DHCP setup, the starting IP is 192.168.1.10 and it will hand out 5 IP's ending at 192.168.1.14. A static IP for the printer might be 192.168.1.100. This would still be in the same subnet and the printer will be accessible from all devices using it's IP address.

Getting back to topic now...

Kronk, are you still having problems?
If your HR20 is set for DHCP, then run the system test and check to see if it is working. You will NOT be able to ping the HR20. It might be seen in the DHCP log that one is assigned. Make sure you have enough max number of DHCP users set for the amount of devices you use in your network.

[RunnerFL]

I rather doubt that most ISP's will add entries for users pcs, printers,&
especially HR20's. If yours does you must have an "in" with the folks running
the ISP. This is really beside the point as it's the HR20 which connects to the
Viiv pc anyway. At this point in time, to the best of my knowledge, pcs on your
network can't "see" the HR20(s) or access any data streams on the DVR. On my
network my HR20 saw my Viiv pc once I added the proper registry entries and
copied IntelDH.dll to the proper directory, then rebooted. And I know for a fact
that my ISP does not have any entries for anything on my network with the
exception of my Exchange server, an entry I specifically requested.

No one said anything about your ISP's DNS knowing the hostnames of the machines on your private network. If you want them to be known within your network that way you have to setup a hosts file on each of your machines.

I was referring to the DNS entry in the settings on the HR20, this setting tells the HR20 where to look for resolution of hostnames that are in the directv.com zone file so the HR20 knows where to go, etc.

Your HR20 sees your Viiv PC because your Viiv pc is running a server daemon that broadcasts itself. This has nothing to do with DNS resolution, it's your HR20 seeing the daemon.

[RunnerFL]

Incidentally, what router do you have that will "discover" your ISP's DNS servers?
Does it discover the gateway and any time servers too? I'd like to get one of those if they aren't too pricey.

All routers on the market today do this... It gets the information from the ISP when your DSL/Cable modem makes it's connection.

[dvrblogger]

dont forget to use teh network test under "help &settings",Setup,Network and see if your HR20 see the router and the internet.

[jgrade]

Incidentally, what router do you have that will "discover" your ISP's DNS servers?
Does it discover the gateway and any time servers too? I'd like to get one of those if they aren't too pricey.

I think you may be confused about something. The router the OP has does exactly that. In fact I can't remember a router that does not have the ability to automatically find the DNS address. That assumes that the ISP allows for automatic discovery or the OP does not have a static account. In that case the address will be assigned within the router.

They are not too pricey; I saw one advertised at Comp for $9.95. If you search long enough you can probably find one for free (with rebates).

[dvrblogger]

I saw a problem in one of the xbox forums that many wireless routers don't handle the discovery process correctly for UPNP (SSDP) or may need a firmware upgrade similar to the powerline adapters. Microsoft has an FAQ for WMP11 with a list of recommended routers.
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/devices/wmconnect/faq.aspx

[Kronk]

Leave the fields blank and set the router to broadcast DHCP. The blank settings are the same as setting "obtain IP address automatically". In WMP11 you need to turn the server on. See the other threads for an explanation. Reset the HR-2 and rerun the network setup, you should be set.

To troubleshoot, turn off firewalls, etc. You don not need a local DNS server.

Hi jgrade,

Resetting it to DEFAULT got me to the Blank, I believe
The Netgear MR814 had been at Broadcast.

Though, in my initial post, I mentioned the port that I had a slow blinking
light on the router. Ok, I feel somewhat stupid.. as it appears that somehow
in troubleshooting the CAT5 connections to the H20-700 and Router (aswell,
switching which port on the Router 2 & 4 were open) ..well, I managed to
rid myself of the slow blinking light on the router.. it's now on constantly, blinking
only if data is being transfered back and forth.

Still I have trouble with WMP11. I'll have to re-read some of the WMP11 related
posts. BUT, it appears that when I did install it got rid of a "Window Media
Connect". That was on this Sony VAIO XP Pro w/MediaCenter. Reading a bit, on
Microsoft's website ..it appears that since WMP11 that shouldn't be needed.

Still didn't get the HR20-700 to see/have the "Music & Photos" item come up in
the Menu.

Then, reading some of the message here, I saw a reply that He didn't need
WMP11 and used his VAIO's Media Console. So, I tried that.. now somehow
it (unknown device) comes up in both WMP11 & VAIO Media Console.
But, if I do not have the VAIO Media Console 'ON' / Started. The HR20-700 doesn't show / looses the Entry in the MENU field.

Then though, I went back to just viewing TV..
I get a message that the server is logg'n off.
After that EVERY thing on my two computers got screwed. Couldn't connect
to the Internet. NOTHING! Powered everything down and started again.
On the XP box (other computer is an old PackardBell still running Win'95).. anyway
the XP would boot and logon but, hang at some point. I'd click on any ICON on
the Taskbar ..no action.. just a 'Dong' sound. Went thru this 3 - 4 times give'n
it the THREE finger salute. Still 'Dong'. Disconnected the CAT5 from the router.
Restart XP was finally able to complete start-up and I was able to click on an
Icon on the taskbar. Finally Action. Turned off VAIO Media Console and made
sure it didn't start - up automatically.

TODAY, I decided I'd give it ago.. AGAIN..
Connected the CAT5. Router Light is on SOLID (good connection)
Rather than MENU - NETWORK. I went to Menu Info & Test
ALL is OK. Network & Internet
Open WMP11 unknown device is there.
HR20-700 Menu - Music & Photos NOT THERE! Info & Test -Test (OK, OK)
Still no entry
Start the VAIO Media thingy, HR20-700 ..Menu entry still not there Test again.
THEN.. Alright! There she be! Didn't do anything ..just took its sweet time I
guess.

It has been running now for an hour sending both Photos & Music.

Now, I'm just waiting for something to go wrong again.

Kronk

[jgrade]

Good news! I hope things keep working for you.