Rw/replay When End Of Recording Reached

[Steve]

When you reach the end of a recording and the "Yes/No Delete" pop-up is triggered, there is currently no way to replay or rewind from that point without restarting the recording and fast forwarding, skipping or tickmarking to the place you want to get to. As you know, this can be very frustrating if you inadvertently fast forwarded past the previews of next week's show and engage the pop-up.

The first idea proposed in the Wish List thread was that a third option be added to the "YES/NO DELETE" pop-up that would allow you to resume the recording at the end of the buffer. The pop-up would clear and you could then Rewind or Replay from that point backwards. The new pop-up could read something like "Delete/Don't Delete/Resume Playback".

A second suggestion was to change the end of recording pop-up to read "Hit Select to Delete." If the Select button is pushed, a "Confirm Delete YES/NO?" dialogue box then pops up. By not hitting Select first, the user can instead hit RW or Replay (and the initial pop-up will clear once they do so).

EDIT: A third alternative has been suggested. Simply hitting RW or Replay will clear the "Yes/No Delete" pop-up and perform the requested action.

There may be other good ideas to vote on as well. In anticipation of them, I've listed them in the poll as alternatives 4-7. If you have a different idea than those listed here, please be sure to title your post with the next available alternative # so folks can vote on it. Thx.

If an alternative you like better is posted after you voted, you can make a request to a forum moderater to change your vote. Hit the "PM" link under Tom's info in the post below and ask him to please switch your vote.

/steve

[Tom Robertson]

I'd like to see just a normal RW or jumpback be enough to disable the Pop-up. There really isn't anything else needed.

Cheers,
Tom

Edit: Very creative and interesting Poll technique. Curious how well it works.

[Steve]

Edit: Very creative and interesting Poll technique. Curious how well it works.It would work well, I think, if a user could change a previously cast vote if a better alternative popped-up after s/he voted. I don't think that's possible, tho. :( /steve

[Tom Robertson]

A user can't, but it can be done via Moderator intervention.

My biggest fear is simultaneous postings and two people picking then voting for #4.

No matter what, this poll should generate some interesting and viable thoughts.

Cheers,
Tom

[BubblePuppy]

I go for KISS...hit rewind. Single button.....easy.

[Steve Robertson]

Glad to see I am not alone in this feeling as sometimes I go to far and miss the previews myself and would like to be able to go back easily.

[Steve]

I go for KISS...hit rewind. Single button.....easy.I think your right, even tho it's counterintuitive to the rest of the UI... everywhere else you need to clear a pop-up with "select" before you can do anything else. However in this case, hitting RW or Replay is probably most users' first instinct, so maybe it's worth deviating from the established UI for it. /steve

[lucky13]

I'd like to see just a normal RW or jumpback be enough to disable the Pop-up. There really isn't anything else needed.

Cheers,
Tom

Edit: Very creative and interesting Poll technique. Curious how well it works.

Tom,
I think that's the best.
If you missed the credits or the previews (or you/your wife wakes up and says: It's over? What'd I miss), this is the simplest and most user-friendly solution.

[Steve Robertson]

Tom,
I think that's the best.
If you missed the credits or the previews (or you/your wife wakes up and says: It's over? What'd I miss), this is the simplest and most user-friendly solution.


That is to funny your wife sounds like mine always falling asleep in the middle or end of a show

[lucky13]

That is to funny your wife sounds like mine always falling asleep in the middle or end of a show
And of course, when I nod off, she tells me I don't get enough sleep, I go to bed too late, I'm going to crash the car tomorrow.
When she dozes off--David Caruso's sunglasses put her in a trance.

[Steve Robertson]

And of course, when I nod off, she tells me I don't get enough sleep, I go to bed too late, I'm going to crash the car tomorrow.
When she dozes off--David Caruso's sunglasses put her in a trance.


Maybe they are twins LOL.

[Steve]

I find it interesting that 1 out of 5 so far have no problem with getting "stuck" at the end of a recording they might want to continue reviewing a part of! I'd love to hear the reasoning, just to satisfy my own curiosity. :) /steve

[islesfan]

This happens with the TiVo too, but it has a more reliable jump to end dedicated button. By the time the HR20 responds to the hold button to jump to end, it is likely to pop back up with the keep or delete dialog box. I'm not sure the workaround which would be best. I have to admit that this is annoying, but a low priority type of annoying considering all the other problems the HR20 has.

[Steve]

This happens with the TiVo too, but it has a more reliable jump to end dedicated button. By the time the HR20 responds to the hold button to jump to end, it is likely to pop back up with the keep or delete dialog box. I'm not sure the workaround which would be best. I have to admit that this is annoying, but a low priority type of annoying considering all the other problems the HR20 has.Ya, but with my HR10-250, I at least had a 5 second or so "reprieve" window to hit Replay, even when the Pop-up was there. Similar to Alternative #3 in the first post.

I do miss that "skip to end, skip to beginning" button on the HR-10. I never re-programmed it to be the 30 second skip. /steve

[squawk]

It would work well, I think, if a user could change a previously cast vote if a better alternative popped-up after s/he voted. I don't think that's possible, tho. :( /steve

First, thanks to whomever for creating this specific thread. It's feature that deserves inclusion on the "wish list" as well as its own thread.

I would ask the moderator to allow me as well as other to recast their vote, because again, it was not clear by the description what Alternative 3 was v. "(Hit Select To Delete) then either (RW/RPLAY) or (Confirm Delete Yes/No)." I am inclined to favor Alternative 3, but did not find out what it was until I read your first post AFTER voting.

It might be a good idea to have your post, as modified, as the first post to be read BEFORE voting. Just a suggestion.

[Steve]

First, thanks to whomever for creating this specific thread. It's feature that deserves inclusion on the "wish list" as well as its own thread.

I would ask the moderator to allow me as well as other to recast their vote, because again, it was not clear by the description what Alternative 3 was v. "(Hit Select To Delete) then either (RW/RPLAY) or (Confirm Delete Yes/No)." I am inclined to favor Alternative 3, but did not find out what it was until I read your first post AFTER voting.

It might be a good idea to have your post, as modified, as the first post to be read BEFORE voting. Just a suggestion.I agree. That's why I modified the first post to include Tom's suggestion as option #3. If there are any new alternatives suggested, I'll continue to modify post #1 to include them.

If anyone would like to recast their vote, please click on the "PM" link under Tom's info on post #2 and let him know which option you'd now like to vote for instead.

/steve

[Mike Huss]

Alternative 3 all the way! I LOVE that idea!

[Doug Brott]

Looks like a consensus is building, so that will be the feature I'll add to the wish list tomorrow. Anyone want to take a stab at the wording for the Wish List?

[Steve]

Looks like a consensus is building, so that will be the feature I'll add to the wish list tomorrow. Anyone want to take a stab at the wording for the Wish List?If option number one, how about:

Add a "Resume" option to the end of playback pop-up so users can RW or Replay from that point.

If option three:

RW or Replay should still function when the end of playback pop-up is displayed.

Just my .02.

/steve

[squawk]

Looks like a consensus is building, so that will be the feature I'll add to the wish list tomorrow. Anyone want to take a stab at the wording for the Wish List?

Here goes: Alternative 3 should be described by the following . . .

No lock-up with Yes/No Delete Pop Up; Press RW/RPLAY to back up.

[Doug Brott]

If option number one, how about:

Add a "Resume" option to the end of playback pop-up so users can RW or Replay from that point.

If option three:

RW or Replay should still function when the end of playback pop-up is displayed.

Just my .02.

/steve

It seems to me that Option 3 is the one that most everyone would like. So to modify your wording slightly, this is what I would use:

REWIND or JUMP BACK should still function when the Delete/Don't Delete popup is displayed at then end of recorded program

[Steve]

It seems to me that Option 3 is the one that most everyone would like. So to modify your wording slightly, this is what I would use:

REWIND or JUMP BACK should still function when the Delete/Don't Delete popup is displayed at then end of recorded programWorks for me. I could live with either option, but they are pretty close at this time (10-12). I suspect the 10 are users who don't want to deviate from the established UI. I would normally be in that camp, but I think in this case, deviating is OK, because the action we are requesting is instinctive. /steve

[Mike Bertelson]

I sometimes find myself absent-mindedly doing just that.

I'm lazy and want the least amount of work possible to get what I want. :rolleyes:

However, option #2 would also work for me.


Mike

[Drew2k]

It seems to me that Option 3 is the one that most everyone would like. So to modify your wording slightly, this is what I would use:

REWIND or JUMP BACK should still function when the Delete/Don't Delete popup is displayed at then end of recorded programI like this option and voted for #3, but should the suggestion also indicate that the popup is removed?

Ex:

REWIND or JUMP BACK should still function when the Delete/Don't Delete popup is displayed at then end of recorded program, causing the popup menu to go away

[Racer88]

Hit exit key to clear the popup. That's what exit is supposed to do anyway right? Clear unwanted screen items?

Exit needs to be made to remove any unwanted UI element being displayed on screen.

[Steve]

Hit exit key to clear the popup. That's what exit is supposed to do anyway right? Clear unwanted screen items?

Exit needs to be made to remove any unwanted UI element being displayed on screen.Sort of like the Escape key. Interesting idea. My only question is are there cases where this wouldn't work? None come to mind, but I just woke up a little while ago... :) /steve

[lucky13]

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Exit needs to be made to remove any unwanted UI element being displayed on screen. Sort of like the Escape key. Interesting idea. My only question is are there cases where this wouldn't work? None come to mind, but I just woke up a little while ago...


Except that EXIT should never take you out of a recording back to Live TV.

[Milominderbinder2]

How about:

At the Delete/Don't Delete pop-up at the end of recording, allow Rewind and Replay to function & clear the pop-up.

This is a really good one that should be simple to code. Right now Rewind and Replay are just being trapped. Just take off the traps. The only bit of code would be to remove the pop-up but that may happen automatically once the end of file flag comes off.

So that you don't trigger a loop, they may only be able to do this with the Rewind button but that would be fine. I just want an easier way out to see the last moments again.

- Craig

[Steve]

Any of the three wordings sounds fine to me. If the engineers can't figure out the pop-up should be cleared on RW/RPLY, we've got much bigger issues to deal with, I think!:lol: /steve

[Tom Robertson]

First, thanks to whomever for creating this specific thread. It's feature that deserves inclusion on the "wish list" as well as its own thread.

I would ask the moderator to allow me as well as other to recast their vote, because again, it was not clear by the description what Alternative 3 was v. "(Hit Select To Delete) then either (RW/RPLAY) or (Confirm Delete Yes/No)." I am inclined to favor Alternative 3, but did not find out what it was until I read your first post AFTER voting.

It might be a good idea to have your post, as modified, as the first post to be read BEFORE voting. Just a suggestion.

squawk, your re-vote has been made.

And my intent was that the pop-up would be cleared all along. But the poll requires brevity. The wordsmiths are doing great on the wishlist version.

Cheers,
Tom

[gusjohnson]

I find it interesting that 1 out of 5 so far have no problem with getting "stuck" at the end of a recording they might want to continue reviewing a part of! I'd love to hear the reasoning, just to satisfy my own curiosity. :) /steve

Sorry I'm late to this party but I was just about to rant about this issue (getting stuck at the end of a recording) and then I discovered this thread.

Is there any real prospect of getting this fixed? It's a huge annoyance. I could live with just about any of the solutions though I think that #3 is the best described.

Actually, my ideal would simply be to be to be able to treat the whole recording like a circular buffer with a stop at the end - so you could go backwards from the beginning (to get to the end) or forwards from the end (to get to the beginning) with the popup appearing when you transition (to provide a stop so you hit the button again to continue through). The popup should probably have a "resume play" option for users that don't know that the normal play/ff/rw/slip features would also work.

However, all that would be bonus. Anything that allowed me to get back to the end of the recording so I could see the last bit again without going to beginning would be great.

As for Steve's question of how anybody could actually think getting stuck at the end is a good thing, these are the only theories I can come up with:

1) Voters don't understand the question.

2) Some voters work for the networks and just hate DVRs in general, so anything that makes them more painful to use is a good thing.

3) Some people will defend the HR20 no matter what. We should do a poll to see how many people like it when the HR20 freezes up -- just to have a baseline.

- Gus