CBC

[EmployeeoftheMonth]

Any chance of CBC being added? I love the CBC hockey feeds with Center Ice and the promos during the games for their programs look very interesting.

[Steve0296]

I agree - would be nice wouldn't it. I emailed Directv that suggestion a couple years ago, and got the canned "we're always looking at new channels to add" reply. You might want to try that.

I noticed the Center Ice games are often a feed for Prince Edward Island. I like the quaint homespun local commercials. If I need my car repaired in either Charlottetown or Summerside, I know where to go!

[TheRatPatrol]

I agree. We have BBC-America, how about a CBC-America?

Plus, Canada gets all of our networks up there, so why can't we get some of their networks down here? Seems like their TV is better up there overall, including their sports packages.

[EmployeeoftheMonth]

I noticed the Center Ice games are often a feed for Prince Edward Island. I like the quaint homespun local commercials. If I need my car repaired in either Charlottetown or Summerside, I know where to go!


I Love the PEI commercials (I want to start a new career in aviation, I do) Oh, and Quanset Huts!

The feeds are drop-dead gorgeously clear, not filmed through an old sock like FSN & MSG.

[Peter305]

I Love the PEI commercials (I want to start a new career in aviation, I do) Oh, and Quanset Huts!

The feeds are drop-dead gorgeously clear, not filmed through an old sock like FSN & MSG.

We still haven't made up for the loss of Newsworld Internation which brought us CBC news....

I doubt we will ever see the CBC on DirecTV they carry too many programs that are already on other US stations so the advertisers wouldn't like it....

[bwaldron]

We still haven't made up for the loss of Newsworld Internation which brought us CBC news....

I doubt we will ever see the CBC on DirecTV they carry too many programs that are already on other US stations so the advertisers wouldn't like it....

...and CBC doesn't have rights to show the programs in the U.S. Although they don't show nearly as much U.S. programming as CTV or Global, they do show some.

I know that the CBC is (or was) on a few cable systems in border towns, but I highly doubt we'll ever see them on one of the dish services or big cable systems. Too many legal/rights issues, not a large enough market.

[wilbur_the_goose]

They could black-out the US-only programs. They're on cable in Buffalo, NY.

[bwaldron]

They could black-out the US-only programs.

Yes, they would have to do that.

They're on cable in Buffalo, NY.

Thanks for confirming that this is still the case. I knew it was in the past.

[loudo]

Actually, they could produce a network for the US, satellite and cable market, consisting of their own productions, similar to BBC. They could only show their own produced shows.

In the past we had Newsworld International and TRIO, both Canadian produced networks. They were both removed, but I watched some of their programing.

When I had my C-Band dish, we used to get a lot of CBC and CTV programing, off the Canadian satellites.

Some Canadian programing would be welcomed, by our household.

[bwaldron]

Actually, they could produce a network for the US, satellite and cable market, consisting of their own productions, similar to BBC. They could only show their own produced shows.

In the past we had Newsworld International and TRIO, both Canadian produced networks. They were both removed, but I watched some of their programing.

When I had my C-Band dish, we used to get a lot of CBC and CTV programing, off the Canadian satellites.

Some Canadian programing would be welcomed, by our household.

They could do that, but I doubt it would be financially viable for them.

Me, I'd love it -- heck, I maintain a Star Choice system for access to Canadian programming (after losing C-band access years ago), but I don't think the market is large enough to make it worthwhile...especially since they don't have U.S. rights for their flagship HNIC (other than via the Center Ice package).

[TheRatPatrol]

They could do that, but I doubt it would be financially viable for them.

Me, I'd love it -- heck, I maintain a Star Choice system for access to Canadian programming (after losing C-band access years ago), but I don't think the market is large enough to make it worthwhile...especially since they don't have U.S. rights for their flagship HNIC (other than via the Center Ice package).
Did they scramble the C-Band feeds, or you just can't get them down in FL anymore, footprint doesn't go there?

We used watch HNIC every Saturday night up in Alaska off of C-Band, and all the other Candian feeds they had.

Ahhh, the good old days of C-Band. :D

[loudo]

Did they scramble the C-Band feeds, or you just can't get them down in FL anymore, footprint doesn't go there?

We used watch HNIC every Saturday night up in Alaska off of C-Band, and all the other Candian feeds they had.

Ahhh, the good old days of C-Band. :D
I haven't had my C-Band for about 4 years. But we used to get CBC unscrambled, then they scrambled some of their signals, but we would occasionally get a few. CTV was still unscrambled, last I knew, but not sure if they still are.

The footprint reached down in South Florida, where I used to live, just fine. I used to get most of the ANIK satellites without any problem.

I miss my BUD.

[bwaldron]

I haven't had my C-Band for about 4 years. But we used to get CBC unscrambled, then they scrambled some of their signals, but we would occasionally get a few. CTV was still unscrambled, last I knew, but not sure if they still are.

The footprint reached down in South Florida, where I used to live, just fine. I used to get most of the ANIK satellites without any problem.

I miss my BUD.

I lost my 10+ year old BUD to storm damage a few summer back. Didn't bother to replace it, though I do miss it.

CTV had a few feeds available in the clear with a DVB/MPEG receiver up until a few years ago; as you note, CBC scrambled quite a few years before that.

There are a quite a few "snowbirds" down here who use their Canadian sat systems. Star Choice (on the Anik birds) works perfectly fine; ExpressVu only partially works these days -- some of the birds they've placed into service have footprints that don't quite reach us.

[Mrpalmer420]

I would love to watch me some curling. (i actually am serious i love the game.) most relaxing thing to watch on a sunday afternoon.

[bwaldron]

I would love to watch me some curling. (i actually am serious i love the game.) most relaxing thing to watch on a sunday afternoon.

FWIW, CBC has lost the contract for almost all curling to TSN/CTV for upcoming years.

[SamC]

Under US law a Canadian OTA station can only be carried in border locations where it could naturally be picked up with an antenna, such as Buffalo, Detroit, etc. The CBC is a Canadian channel with Canadian ads sold at Canadian rates to Canadian customers, and with Canadian rights to Canadian shows. Other than in border locations, it cannot be shown in the USA.

Trio was an attempt to make a US channel out of the original Canadian programming. Some, such as "North of 60" and "Black Harbour" was quite good, but the channel withered in the marketplace and died out. The old Newsworld International channel was a mildly internationalized version of the CBC's all-news channel, which was bought by algore and shut down.

[sonofjay]

Under US law a Canadian OTA station can only be carried in border locations where it could naturally be picked up with an antenna, such as Buffalo, Detroit, etc. The CBC is a Canadian channel with Canadian ads sold at Canadian rates to Canadian customers, and with Canadian rights to Canadian shows. Other than in border locations, it cannot be shown in the USA.


All US networks do the same thing in Canada. The have US ads sold at US rate for US customers with US rights yet all of our networks are show in Canada.

SimSubbing (link here) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simultaneous_substitution) is how it is done in Canada and is allowed to be and could be done here. The US carriers and networks have simply chosen not too make (read allow) this happen.

[Peter305]

All US networks do the same thing in Canada. The have US ads sold at US rate for US customers with US rights yet all of our networks are show in Canada.

SimSubbing (link here) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simultaneous_substitution) is how it is done in Canada and is allowed to be and could be done here. The US carriers and networks have simply chosen not too make (read allow) this happen.

Sadly, the CBC doesn't have the financial resources to make their programs available outside of Canada. CBC News tried to find a way to keep Newsworld International on DirecTV after Gore bought them out and put up his DREADFUL Current channel on, but DirecTV wasn't interested....

As a Canadian living in the USA I do miss Canadian TV. I am glad for the Internet which at least makes CBC radio accesssible

[loudo]

CBC News tried to find a way to keep Newsworld International on DirecTV after Gore bought them out and put up his DREADFUL Current channel on, but DirecTV wasn't interested....


The Current Channel has to be the biggest waste of bandwith I have ever seen, and from the guy who INVENTED THE INTERNET. I have yet to find anyone that actually watches the garbage, on that channel. I used to watch Newsworld International a lot. When Current came on I watched it for about 5 minutes and that was enough for me, never been back.

[bobnielsen]

I want my Royal Canadian Air Farce!

[Mocco71]

I Love the PEI commercials (I want to start a new career in aviation, I do) Oh, and Quanset Huts!

The feeds are drop-dead gorgeously clear, not filmed through an old sock like FSN & MSG.

LMAO at the old sock line. You're right, the CBC feed is almost as clear as the HDnet feed (which in some venues appears they have the camera in the rafters without zooming).

As for the PEI commercials, I love watching those, too... I feel like I know the island without ever even being there.

I just wish that with CI they wouldn't cut out between game 1 and 2 on HNIC. It irks me that sometimes it's 5 minutes until the next game and Don Cherry is talking during the post game and they give us the D* screen with a Molly Hatchet song playing for 5 minutes until game 2.

[loudo]

As for the PEI commercials, I love watching those, too... I feel like I know the island without ever even being there.


PEI and Nova Scotia, my two favorite vacation spots.

[Mocco71]

PEI and Nova Scotia, my two favorite vacation spots.

Been to NS - Loved it... gotta wait till the kids are a little older before going back to the Maritimes.

[SamC]

All US networks do the same thing in Canada. The have US ads sold at US rate for US customers with US rights yet all of our networks are show in Canada.

SimSubbing (link here) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simultaneous_substitution) is how it is done in Canada and is allowed to be and could be done here. The US carriers and networks have simply chosen not too make (read allow) this happen.

Something like 90% of Canadians live within 100 miles (read the OTA range) of the USA. So US OTA TV has always been a part of TV there. Simsub (which is replacing the US channel with the Canadian one when both show the same program at the same time) protects the Canadian OTA industry, but really has little to do with this issue, since it, be defination, only applies to the simultanious broadcasts of the same show. It has nothing to do with the broadcast in the USA by the CBC or others of DIFFERENT shows, to which it has paid only for the Canadian rights (remember that English speaking Canada is 1/12th the population of the USA, so one would expect the rights fees to be proportional.)

Really, I thought Trio, before it got weird and artsy, was a good idea, as was NWI, although it . If somebody would put together a channel of the best original shows from the GWN, and the news, just the Canadian retirees in Florida and Arizona would be enough to float it, leaving aside that many of the show are really good.

[urnote96]

If you are happy with the hockey feeds, you should see the other programming they have on CBC.....they do an AWESOME JOB with the olympics....blow NBC AWAY.


its on our local cable system...

[dgparent]

If you a Canadian or know a Canadian well and they have ExPressVu - just have them buy a extra complete Dish and Receiver you do the same then you ship each other the goods, then you each activate the new receiver and voila they have DirecTV and you have all the CBC channels you can handle. Also if you want US sports packages they are WAY cheaper on Bell than DirecTV, including Sunday Ticket , NCAA ETC and 0 blackouts. Plus until the new HD channels came out the Canadian setup had a better selection - also you get all the locals from Boston and Seattle in HD and PBS in HD

I am not advicating that you break the law just making a simple suggestion.

[Stuart Sweet]

Actually it does sort of seem like you're advocating breaking international laws. We kind of frown on that.

[bwaldron]

Actually it does sort of seem like you're advocating breaking international laws. We kind of frown on that.

It is not illegal to receive ExpressVu or Star Choice in the U.S. (The reverse is not true for Canadians purchasing DirecTV or Dish in that country -- different laws).

The "grey" aspect comes in because the Canadian providers are not supposed to legally sell their service to U.S. citizens.

While I find satelliteguys.us to be far less worthwhile than this forum for DirecTV discussion, they do have a useful forum discussing Canadian satellite services (http://www.satelliteguys.us/canadian-satellite-services/)

[islesfan]

I would love to watch me some curling. (i actually am serious i love the game.) most relaxing thing to watch on a sunday afternoon.

+1

I would love to have CBC on DirecTV!

[bwaldron]

If you are happy with the hockey feeds, you should see the other programming they have on CBC.....they do an AWESOME JOB with the olympics....blow NBC AWAY.

I have had access to CBC for many years. I would say this has been true in the past, but far less so recently -- especially for HD viewers. Many of the annoying aspects of the U.S. coverage have crept into the Canadian broadcasts, and NBC did a better job using all its networks to provide excellent coverage of some sports (all hockey games in full).

Also, CBC lost its bid for the 2010 and 2012 Olympics to a consortium of Bell and Rogers -- it remains to be seen how well they do with it.

But it is nice to have both!

[TheRatPatrol]

+1

I would love to have CBC on DirecTV!
I totally agree. There is no reason why we can't get a "CBC-America" here.

If we can networks from other countries (China, Germany, England, Mexico, etc.) and if Canada can get all of our programs up there, then why can't we get some of their stuff down here?

[MrKlaatu]

Actually it does sort of seem like you're advocating breaking international laws. We kind of frown on that.

I'm not sure how the U.S. or Canadian governments can claim jurisdiction over signals that come from space which no one owns. The latest DirecTV satellite (D10) was launced from Kazakhstan which Borat owns.

[loudo]

From what I have seen and read over the years, the big problem with US viewers seeing Canadian broadcasted shows and Canada viewers seeing US broadcasted shows is the fact of distribution rights. Many of the shows are shown in both countries and in Canada a certain company has distribution rights of the movies or series, and the same occurs in the US. When a US citizen watches a show, on a Canadian channel, that is also available on a US channel, it infringes on the distributing rights of the US distributer.

But there shouldn't be any reason why CBC couldn't put together a channel of their own programing, to be seen on US satellite and cable companies.

[mhking]

But there shouldn't be any reason why CBC couldn't put together a channel of their own programing, to be seen on US satellite and cable companies.

But according to NBC/U, nobody watched Trio.... :nono2:

(even though I did, and fell in love with North of 60)

[bwaldron]

From what I have seen and read over the years, the big problem with US viewers seeing Canadian broadcasted shows and Canada viewers seeing US broadcasted shows is the fact of distribution rights. Many of the shows are shown in both countries and in Canada a certain company has distribution rights of the movies or series, and the same occurs in the US. When a US citizen watches a show, on a Canadian channel, that is also available on a US channel, it infringes on the distributing rights of the US distributer.

But there shouldn't be any reason why CBC couldn't put together a channel of their own programing, to be seen on US satellite and cable companies.

Yes, distribution rights are exactly the issue.

CBC could put a US version together, without the U.S. shows it broadcasts (e.g., The Simpsons) and without much hockey (most games have US rights holders). They probably don't view it as a worthwhile financial investment. I would probably agree with that assessment.

[loudo]

Yes, distribution rights are exactly the issue.

CBC could put a US version together, without the U.S. shows it broadcasts (e.g., The Simpsons) and without much hockey (most games have US rights holders). They probably don't view it as a worthwhile financial investment. I would probably agree with that assessment.
When I had my BUD (C/KU-Band) system we used to watch a lot of shows on CBC and CTV. Many were the same as the US networks, but they also did produce some very good series and movies of their own.

[texas arsenal]

I dont know if I could handle Don Cherry's wardrobe in HD ;)


Actually HNIC in HD would be a dream come thru. From the opening intro all the way to After Hours, HNIC is one of the best sports productions on the planet.


Im ready to hear some "Sarturday Nights Alright For Fighting"!

[bwaldron]

I dont know if I could handle Don Cherry's wardrobe in HD ;)


Actually HNIC in HD would be a dream come thru. From the opening intro all the way to After Hours, HNIC is one of the best sports productions on the planet.


Im ready to hear some "Sarturday Nights Alright For Fighting"!

I have CBC-HD via Star Choice. And yes, it is wise to lower the color setting of your TV before looking at Grapes' jackets. :)

[bwaldron]

When I had my BUD (C/KU-Band) system we used to watch a lot of shows on CBC and CTV. Many were the same as the US networks, but they also did produce some very good series and movies of their own.

Oh, I agree completely. I have a Star Choice system here just to receive Canadian programming. I'm just not sure of the financial viability of a CBC-US channel, much as I'd like to see one.

[Peter305]

Oh, I agree completely. I have a Star Choice system here just to receive Canadian programming. I'm just not sure of the financial viability of a CBC-US channel, much as I'd like to see one.

I think the days of the CBC investing in the US market are over. When Newsworld International was bought out by the dreadful Al Gore channel the CBC tried to find a way to keep it going but were unsuccesful. I don't think there are resources available at the CBC to do any more in this area.

[STEVED21]

The Current Channel has to be the biggest waste of bandwith I have ever seen, and from the guy who INVENTED THE INTERNET. I have yet to find anyone that actually watches the garbage, on that channel. I used to watch Newsworld International a lot. When Current came on I watched it for about 5 minutes and that was enough for me, never been back.

Hey, he won an EMMY:lol: :lol: :lol:

[bwaldron]

I think the days of the CBC investing in the US market are over. When Newsworld International was bought out by the dreadful Al Gore channel the CBC tried to find a way to keep it going but were unsuccesful. I don't think there are resources available at the CBC to do any more in this area.

My feeling as well.

[loudo]

I dont know if I could handle Don Cherry's wardrobe in HD ;)
!rolling

[shoelessjoe]

I used to watch a lot of Canadian programs with my BUD. I live in the city now and have no place to put one. My wife and I are thinking of moving back in the country. If we do move, maybe I will pick up my 'ol hobby then.

If I were to get Canadian Satellite service I would get Star Choice also. If I am not mistaken, one can get local channels from many, many areas...not just your DMA. :grin:

[joebbaseball]

Hi all
This is slightly off topic, but I'd like to bring this up for comments and suggestions. I have emailed D* twice today and both times they replied with clueless comments. Basically looking at their NHL schedule for this saturday, as in the past they have the HNIC double header on two seperate channels. They seem to have this problem every season and eventually iron it out as the season goes on. But it would be nice for once to have it ready on the first night. I know its not the end of the world, but most hockey fans really enjoy Hockey Night, and its a shame to cut the broadcast off after the 1st game ends. Then have to wait until 10 on a different channel to pick it back up.
Joe

[DaveP]

I've done a lot of reading on this as well, because I, like many, prefer the Canadian versions of hockey games and the olympics. Here's some interesting tidbits that I don't see get posted regularly:

Pretty much any border state can carry the nearby CBC channel on cable, and based on past experiences, there was no blackouts.
It's my understanding that because of this, the CBC channels that are in this situation are ALREADY trimmed down some of their American TV content (replacing it with other programs), compared to some of the more northern versions of CBC. I can't confirm this as I've only ever gotten CBC out of Windsor.

I, like everyone, would love to get CBC over satellite. But what I don't get is why they don't at least offer it as part of our locals using spot beams and locking things down by zip code just like they do with locals. Last time I checked, CBET (CBC Windsor) was actually listed as a must-carry network, though I don't know how much weight that law has with non-US channels - heck, I don't know how much weight that law has with US channels. I can respect the copyright laws not allowing the channel everywhere - dumb as the laws may be, it's what's so. But the law gives a specific exemption to allow carriage on cable networks of border states, so why satellite doesn't qualify for the same exemption is beyond me.

In my opinion, there should never be anything offered on cable that I can't also get on satellite. Those are the kinds of reasons people choose cable over satellite.

(stepping off my soapbox now...)

[mhking]

I have CBC-HD via Star Choice. And yes, it is wise to lower the color setting of your TV before looking at Grapes' jackets. :)

Somewhere a couch is screaming....:D

[mhking]

In my opinion, there should never be anything offered on cable that I can't also get on satellite. Those are the kinds of reasons people choose cable over satellite.

(stepping off my soapbox now...)

+1!

[Peter305]

Hi all
This is slightly off topic, but I'd like to bring this up for comments and suggestions. I have emailed D* twice today and both times they replied with clueless comments. Basically looking at their NHL schedule for this saturday, as in the past they have the HNIC double header on two seperate channels. They seem to have this problem every season and eventually iron it out as the season goes on. But it would be nice for once to have it ready on the first night. I know its not the end of the world, but most hockey fans really enjoy Hockey Night, and its a shame to cut the broadcast off after the 1st game ends. Then have to wait until 10 on a different channel to pick it back up.
Joe

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You can be sure if there is away for DirecTV to find a way to mess up the Saturday HNIC double header they will. You are right that more often than not they cut the program off between the games and they even do it when the two games are on the same channel!

There is actually a HNIC double header on Thursday this week but don't expect to see the in between games material....

And while I'm at it, can someone explain why DirecTV does not show the pregame show on Saturday night when it is show on In Demand on cable and on the Dish Network?

[joebbaseball]

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You can be sure if there is away for DirecTV to find a way to mess up the Saturday HNIC double header they will. You are right that more often than not they cut the program off between the games and they even do it when the two games are on the same channel!

There is actually a HNIC double header on Thursday this week but don't expect to see the in between games material....

And while I'm at it, can someone explain why DirecTV does not show the pregame show on Saturday night when it is show on In Demand on cable and on the Dish Network?

I guess what I am saying is that if there are enough people that are anoyed by this, as I am, if we can email them then maybe they will fix this problem before Saturday. Or least within a few weeks. Like i said a while back, I emailed them, but they really seemed clueless. Which is amazing, since the same thing happens every year! I know eventually they get the TSN double header right as well, but that isn't as important to me as I feel the HNIC broadcast is better.
Joe

[Peter305]

I guess what I am saying is that if there are enough people that are anoyed by this, as I am, if we can email them then maybe they will fix this problem before Saturday. Or least within a few weeks. Like i said a while back, I emailed them, but they really seemed clueless. Which is amazing, since the same thing happens every year! I know eventually they get the TSN double header right as well, but that isn't as important to me as I feel the HNIC broadcast is better.
Joe

I just sent a strongly worded email to DirecTV complaining about

1] The mess up with the first game of the season on Saturday....they missed the first period

2] The splitting of the Hockey Night In Canada feeds for tonight's game and the game on Saturday.

3] The fact they don't offer the same service that Dish does for the same amount of money. [Dish almost always offers both feeds of a game.]

I told them I didn't think they were taking their hockey audience seriously and that I was seriously considering switiching to Dish. I got an email back within 30 minutes saying that someone would be calling me.

I would URGE others who are upset to communicate this to DirecTV...

[shelston]

I want CBC-HD!!

[wilbur_the_goose]

I'd pay for CBC, even with the manditory blackouts for certain US programming.

[Starkey]

I just sent a strongly worded email to DirecTV complaining about

1] The mess up with the first game of the season on Saturday....they missed the first period

2] The splitting of the Hockey Night In Canada feeds for tonight's game and the game on Saturday.

3] The fact they don't offer the same service that Dish does for the same amount of money. [Dish almost always offers both feeds of a game.]

I told them I didn't think they were taking their hockey audience seriously and that I was seriously considering switiching to Dish. I got an email back within 30 minutes saying that someone would be calling me.

I would URGE others who are upset to communicate this to DirecTV...

Been there done that weeks ago.....you'll get a call from someone in Idaho who doesn't even know what hockey is or anything regarding the CI package. I inquired about MSGHD and she didn't even know what MSG was!!!! Good luck but honestly I felt I wasted my time.

[loudo]

I'd pay for CBC, even with the manditory blackouts for certain US programming.
It would be nice if they put together a channel of their own produced shows for the US satellite and cable viewers. When I had my BUD, I got into watching Curling, we don't see much of that on US television.

[Steve Mehs]

I used to love having access to CBC (CLBT), CTV (CFTO) and TVON (CHCH) on cable back in the very early '90s. As a kid, the cartoons were great, more Ninja Turtles on TV then I could watch. But when CVI was purchased by Time Warner and we became part of the Rochester franchise, the Canadian channels were removed. As posted above, those with Time Warner Buffalo still get the Canadian stations.

Before locals were added to DBS, I installed an outdoor antenna. It was great having access to all the Canadian stuff again. The best thing was the NFL coverage, Global and and some independents would simulcast CBS and FOX NFL coverage. It was like a poor mans Sunday Ticket. I even got to see a few blacked out Bills games from a station from who knows where. Granted picture quality was all that great but it was watchable.

[Steveknj]

Been there done that weeks ago.....you'll get a call from someone in Idaho who doesn't even know what hockey is or anything regarding the CI package. I inquired about MSGHD and she didn't even know what MSG was!!!! Good luck but honestly I felt I wasted my time.


They actually HAVE been some positive changes with this. HNIC now shows the Pre-game and After Hours and one game goes into the next. It's great.

As for MSGHD, don't hold your breath. As long as the Dolans are in charge of MSG, you won't see it. They tend to be very protective of their properties and ask HUGE amounts from providers to keep it that way. They've done this with YES, SNY which they don't own (tried to keep them off the same tier as MSG/FSNY) and tried to force MSG/FSNY onto tiers with other providers or force them to pay through the nose for carriage in order to protect their properties. Another reason that providers should not be allowed to own content. It's a conflict of interest.

[Peter305]

[QUOTE=Steveknj;1267075]They actually HAVE been some positive changes with this. HNIC now shows the Pre-game and After Hours and one game goes into the next. It's great.

I agree it has been WONDERFUL to see the whole HNIC package for the last two weeks. DirecTV got one thing right!

[pressureputt]

Been with D* over a year now. Really miss the Canadian channels, especially HNIC, and now Sabres HD for home games on TW.

Is there a secondary zip code that can be entered to map to Canadian channels?

I am hesititant to sign up for NHL CI until D* get their act together. Plus I enjoyed a lot of programming on CBC.

[Steve Mehs]

Another reason that providers should not be allowed to own content. It's a conflict of interest.

Does that just apply for ‘evil’ cable or for satellite too? Because if that be the case DirecTV should be an orphan, Murdoch and News Corp and Malone and Liberty, both are content providers and with DirecTV, content distributors.

I see no problem with Vertical integration. Ford manufactures automobiles and sells parts for those automobiles under the Motorcraft name. Let Comcast, Time Warner and Cablevision own whatever channels they want. If invented your own product and had a storefront to sell it from and made tons of cash doing so, would you want someone else trying to get what you have. Protecting your own product from competition is not something that should be looked down upon. Kudos to Cablevision for staying firm on the matter.