Pick only one DLB, MediaShare or VOD [Archive]

Drew2k

07-08-07, 10:02 AM

I think I can help you with that.
Look at the OP's avatar and previous posts.
Get back to me if you still don't see the purpose.
I know perfectly well the OP is an advocate of DLB, but what does that have to do with the purpose of this poll? I already pointed out that we do not have to limit ourselves to just one - we're already getting two out of three. So again, what is the purpose of this poll?

Is it to show that one of these three features is more important to the DBSTalk community? Then the poll should have said "Which is more important to you ..."

Is it to ask DirecTV to only work on one until it's "done"? Then the poll question should have been phrased that way or the first post should have clarified it.

I can't answer the question "If you can only have one, which would it be?" because there is no basis for the question - DirecTV is not going to take away one of the three features being asked about.

Drew2k

07-08-07, 10:03 AM

Some of you have media share, and those of us who can't get it won't get the VOD either. But I agree, another DLB poll, cleverly disguised in a VOD shroud.VOD will still be available to anyone with an HR20 and an active account. Most of the VOD content will be distributed via broadband on networked HR20s, but DirecTV will make "the most popular content" available over the satellite, so even those without networked HR20s can use VOD.

armophob

07-08-07, 10:05 AM

Well, I voted Mediashare because I don't have it and would like to enjoy it like some are.:)

armophob

07-08-07, 10:06 AM

And I have nothing better to do today.

Strejcek

07-08-07, 10:16 AM

DLB :beatdeadhorse: Not going to happen any time soon, if ever.

LR308er

07-08-07, 10:56 AM

I know perfectly well the OP is an advocate of DLB, but what does that have to do with the purpose of this poll? I already pointed out that we do not have to limit ourselves to just one - we're already getting two out of three. So again, what is the purpose of this poll?

Let me be more direct.
The purpose of the poll is to advocate DLB and to create yet another DLB thread.
There is no other purpose.

carl6

07-08-07, 11:13 AM

While I must agree that this appears to be nothing more than...
:beatdeadhorse:
I did bother to vote, although I'm not sure why...
:scratchin
And I chose :blush: ...

DLB

Because I do not do media sharing, and when I had VOD with cable I did not use it, so doubt I would use it with DirecTV (other than to test when it becomes available for that purpose).

So, of the three, that was the best choice for me.

Carl

JACKIEGAGA

07-08-07, 11:17 AM

The poll should of been Do you think DTV will gives DLB yes and no. I voted for VOD the only way I want DLB if the buffers are 90 min each.

DCSholtis

07-08-07, 12:31 PM

Voted for VOD have little use for the other 2 options.

Jeremy W

07-08-07, 12:34 PM

No contest, it's VOD.

SoCool

07-08-07, 12:37 PM

Does VOD stand for "Very Old Discussion?":lol:

Michael D'Angelo

07-08-07, 12:38 PM

VOD for me.

Jeremy W

07-08-07, 12:39 PM

Does VOD stand for "Very Old Discussion?":lol:
Video On Demand.

mx6bfast

07-08-07, 01:13 PM

Is VOD going to cost anything if we use it?

Michael D'Angelo

07-08-07, 01:14 PM

Is VOD going to cost anything if we use it?

Some programs you will have to pay for and some you will not. How much of each we don't know yet.

jheda

07-08-07, 02:43 PM

Earl Bonovich

07-08-07, 02:56 PM

GO AHEAD JUST GUESS HOW I VOIED....

I see the purpose of this poll to demonstrate whether perhaps the features D^ is focusing on is not what a great # of their subs want lst...whether that matters i dont know...

When this poll opens up to the 16,000,000+ user base...

Is when we will know what a "great #" of subs want...

Regardless... I have been without DLB for almost 2 years (going back to the introduction of the R15)... and have long since gotten to a point, that I just don't need it...

Give me VOD, so I can have a massive library of programming to choose from when there is just nothing recorded, or live that i want to watch.

Either way, it is still a very slanted poll... as you don't have to have "just one"

Herdfan

07-08-07, 02:58 PM

I picked VOD because I might like it. But DLB over Mediashare any day. The results tend to echo my feelings.

Que

07-08-07, 03:11 PM

Regardless... I have been without DLB for almost 2 years (going back to the introduction of the R15)... and have long since gotten to a point, that I just don't need it...

If the HR20 did...;/ did get DLB. Would you use it?

tfederov

07-08-07, 03:18 PM

If the HR20 did...;/ did get DLB. Would you use it?

I would with Sunday Ticket and other sports but it's been almost a year (okay, a year in November) but I really don't miss it all that much. My big reason for DLB in the past was to track my fantasy players but I can do that now with ST Superfan.

Earl Bonovich

07-08-07, 03:18 PM

If the HR20 did...;/ did get DLB. Would you use it?

Honestly? No. I hardly ever used it when I had it on the TiVos... as I simply have stopped watching live TV shows. Nearly everything I watch now on my DVR's is recorded.

And if it is live? I usually end up recording it, simply because I am so used to not having to sit there and watch something live.

I am not a "dual sport watcher"... I don't flip between multiple games.
I love the NFL as much as the next guys, but when my Bears on... it's the Berars on the screen till half-time.

If there are two sporting events on that I MUST watch... I pull out the 2nd TV, or have it going on a gamcast on the PC that is in the living room.

I don't try to watch two news broadcasts at the same time, nor two sitcoms

jheda

07-08-07, 03:25 PM

Earl, I agree, I dont need it either. As demonstrated by my dedication to the hr20 and its users. I could jump anytime to a cable dvr, as i have cable included in my maintanance, but choose to add D*. I thoroughly enjoy the hr20 and find it superior to my other directivo unit.

But i enjoyed DLB.....and would enjoy it again.

And i agree the poll is slanted as we dont have to just have one (i didnt create this puppy).

Where i respectfully disagree, is a sampling large enough can be extrapolated, ie harris and nielson polls. Where this one faulters is the way its worded. WE (the dbstalk community), though, IMHO are a broad enough base; although somewhat techie driven. Nevertheless the better written polls here can be fairly extrapolated to represent 16 million. Thats what scientific polls do, as you know. But this one aint scientiffically written, true.

And thanks Earl for continuing to give DLB a forum. And if you like our one sticky idea, go for it. I will adhere to its self imposed concept. I know we irritate some...

When this poll opens up to the 16,000,000+ user base...

Is when we will know what a "great #" of subs want...

Regardless... I have been without DLB for almost 2 years (going back to the introduction of the R15)... and have long since gotten to a point, that I just don't need it...

Give me VOD, so I can have a massive library of programming to choose from when there is just nothing recorded, or live that i want to watch.

Either way, it is still a very slanted poll... as you don't have to have "just one"

Blitz68

07-08-07, 03:33 PM

If the HR20 did...;/ did get DLB. Would you use it?

Nope. There is no need for DLB. Done :lol:

Spanky_Partain

07-08-07, 03:37 PM

The HR20 is the first and only DVR I have ever used. I certainly don't miss DLB since I have never used it and the HR20 works exactly the way I expect it to. Why not just record what you want instead of relying on DLB. Heck, I was just happy to get rid of all the VHS tapes.

I voted for VOD!

Kentstater

07-08-07, 03:49 PM

jselinger24

07-08-07, 04:00 PM

VOD.

I can live without DLB. Don't really miss it.

VOD!!!

jheda

07-08-07, 04:08 PM

From the proposed single DLB thread.....

"Even the current workaround is tedious. Recording two programs works but you CAN'T use the PREV channel button to toggle between the two programs. One of them always defaults to LIVE.
What is the purpose of the Single Live Buffer if it doesn't even remember the Pause Point? Do the developers really believe that the ideal scenario is to force the user to Rewind back to the point they left off?
Sure, if you want to toggle back and forth you can go into the Playlist every time and select the other program. Tedious and unnecessary. User unfriendliness like that needs to be fixed."

I do not understand what is so hard about hitting the record button.

In the CE last week we got the ability to jump from recording to live and back while both are being buffered. I see no advantage using my 10-250 vs. this new approach on the HR20.

eahmjh

07-08-07, 04:14 PM

If the HR20 did...;/ did get DLB. Would you use it?

Never had DLB and don't care for it, probably won't ever use it, so my VOTE is VOD, like mentioned earlier if there is nothing good to watch on TV then we can pick something worth while.

Thanks

Drew2k

07-08-07, 04:28 PM

I do not understand what is so hard about hitting the record button.I refuse to use the REC button when watching live because I don't want to first have to look at my playlist to see if there's any danger of one or more programs being deleted. This is my biggest issue with the "DLB simulation using REC on two tuners" ... Using this method means you could face conflicts with upcoming recordings and could force you to run out of space, meaning programs in your playlist will be deleted.

Instead, my work around involves two HR20s and a Harmony universal remote. Today I watched NBC's Wimdledon coverage on one box, and the Yankees game on YES on the other. I paused each DVR and used my Harmony "Activity" buttons to toggle between the two DVRs. The activity took care of switching AV inputs on the TV and home theater, so I just had to wait for the TV to refresh.

I would prefer to have DLB and not have to do this .. but I'll never press REC while this is an option for me.

jheda

07-08-07, 04:33 PM

and finally, a yankee game worth watching!

I refuse to use the REC button when watching live because I don't want to first have to look at my playlist to see if there's any danger of one or more programs being deleted. This is my biggest issue with the "DLB simulation using REC on two tuners" ... Using this method means you could face conflicts with upcoming recordings and could force you to run out of space, meaning pgragrams in your playlist will be deleted.

Instead, my work around involves two HR20s and a Harmony universal remote. Today I watched NBC Wimdledon's coverage on one box, and the Yankees game on YES on the other. I paused each DVR and used my Harmony "Activity" buttons to toggle between the two DVRs. The activity took care of switching AV inputs on the TV and home theater, so I just had to wait for the TV to refresh.

I would prefer to have DLB and not have to do this .. but I'll never press REC while this is an option for me.

HIGHWAY

07-08-07, 05:29 PM

That Was The Real Yankee Team. I Would Love To Have Dlb For Football

SuperTech1

07-08-07, 05:39 PM

I don't see "none" as an answer. I would rather the problems that remain with the HR20 as a DVR be fixed first....

No DVR related problems left of any consequence (with the exception of MPEG4 issues) to delay other enhancements. IMHO.

I also believe the MPEG4 issues are less about the HR20 and more about the learning curve of a new technology. All in good time. It's not an A or B decision.

mopzo

07-08-07, 06:19 PM

Until the HR20 supports wireless encryption, it will never be more than a DVR to me.

krock918316

07-08-07, 06:22 PM

Give me VOD. Had Tivo for 2 years....didn't even know that DLB existed.

HDTVsportsfan

07-08-07, 06:24 PM

VOD

raott

07-08-07, 06:47 PM

I do not understand what is so hard about hitting the record button.

In the CE last week we got the ability to jump from recording to live and back while both are being buffered. I see no advantage using my 10-250 vs. this new approach on the HR20.

Because it is not as simple as hitting the REC button. If you decide you'd rather watch a different game, gotta confirm to stop recording. If you are up against the meager 100 item limit, you gotta tell it what course of action you'd like it to do (ie cancel something from the 100 item "to-do" list. And as has been repeated many, many, many times, Pause does not stay paused when you switch.

It is a poor workaround.

Kentstater

07-08-07, 06:53 PM

From the proposed single DLB thread.....

"Even the current workaround is tedious. Recording two programs works but you CAN'T use the PREV channel button to toggle between the two programs. One of them always defaults to LIVE.
What is the purpose of the Single Live Buffer if it doesn't even remember the Pause Point? Do the developers really believe that the ideal scenario is to force the user to Rewind back to the point they left off?
Sure, if you want to toggle back and forth you can go into the Playlist every time and select the other program. Tedious and unnecessary. User unfriendliness like that needs to be fixed."

Try it. You do not have to record two, just one. And prev does work.
I rec the show I want, play it and then just punch in the other channel you want, then Prev does togle back and forth.

St Louis Cardinals Fan

07-08-07, 06:54 PM

I refuse to use the REC button when watching live because I don't want to first have to look at my playlist to see if there's any danger of one or more programs being deleted. This is my biggest issue with the "DLB simulation using REC on two tuners" ... Using this method means you could face conflicts with upcoming recordings and could force you to run out of space, meaning programs in your playlist will be deleted.

Instead, my work around involves two HR20s and a Harmony universal remote. Today I watched NBC's Wimdledon coverage on one box, and the Yankees game on YES on the other. I paused each DVR and used my Harmony "Activity" buttons to toggle between the two DVRs. The activity took care of switching AV inputs on the TV and home theater, so I just had to wait for the TV to refresh.

I would prefer to have DLB and not have to do this .. but I'll never press REC while this is an option for me.

+1 Well put!

jheda

07-08-07, 07:10 PM

I just did. The recorded show remained @ the proper point; the unrecorded show lost its buffer!!!!

EDIT: ken, give me step by step directions like to a 10yo (no jokes pls) ill gladly test it!!!

Try it. You do not have to record two, just one. And prev does work.
I rec the show I want, play it and then just punch in the other channel you want, then Prev does togle back and forth.

sagle

07-08-07, 07:19 PM

Does mediashare in this poll include the ability to watch a show recorded from one HR20 on another?

jaywdetroit

07-08-07, 07:25 PM

I don't want to vote. Because I want all three. But if I were in a desert and all I had was an HR20 (and an air-conditioned tent - and a couch) and I could only have DLB Mediashare or VOD - I would have to say DLB assuming I was going to be watching commercial TV. Because I use DLB to avoid commercials.

Ken S

07-08-07, 07:36 PM

Personally, I'd take MRV over DLB. VoD if done well would be nice although I have concerns about how well D's implementation will work.
Nothing wrong with asking for all three.

stogie5150

07-08-07, 08:46 PM

DLB. The other two are useless to me. DLB I use.

Like some others have said though, no reason we cannot have them all. Make all of us happy. :D

Jeremy W

07-08-07, 09:55 PM

Until the HR20 supports wireless encryption, it will never be more than a DVR to me.
The HR20 itself doesn't support wireless in the first place. But you can plug in a wireless Ethernet adapter that does support encryption, and it would work just fine.

Indiana627

07-09-07, 06:16 AM

DLB!

Elistan98

07-09-07, 07:25 AM

VOD

If there is a show i want to watch i record it. I just make sure my percent used stays around 50 so i know when i need to start watching stuff

If I watch Football I'm only watching the Bengals and I don't change channels unless they are doing that poorly in which case I don't want to watch football at all. (besides wife would kill me if I watched more than one game a day and some days i think that one game might do me in as well depending on her mood).

Mediashare is ok but am looking forward to when video is included as well.

VOD gives me the chance to have access to The Anime Network and/or The Funimation Channel since D* wont carry the linear channel. VOD could also be used in this way for channels they dont want to carry 24-7. It can also provide access to premium channels for those 1 or 2 shows your interested in but dont want to pay 13 a month for.

HarleyD

07-09-07, 08:08 AM

The point of the poll is obvious.

It is an opportunity to demonstrate that DLB is as important (or moreso) to the members of dbstalk.com as two of the features that D* is actively pursuing.

So if there is any debate at D* as to "should we" or "shouldn't we" put DLB on our to do list they can weigh that a statistical sampling of actual users consider DLB as important as other stuff they have already decided to do.

HarleyD

07-09-07, 08:28 AM

When this poll opens up to the 16,000,000+ user base...

Is when we will know what a "great #" of subs want...Polls are based on representative samples of the population in question. The results are extrapolations with a margin for error.

You will amost never see a poll taken of the entire community at issue when that community exceeds a certain size. Suggesting that a poll is not valid unless all 16 million subscribers are given the opportunity to respond is quite a stretch. It is a statistical sampling, a barometer of sorts, not a binding vote. No more...no less.

Even the widely renown Gallup polls typically only engage about 1000 people at a time for the latest round of questioning.

Tom Robertson

07-09-07, 08:45 AM

First off, a forced choice poll of this nature is a common and legitimate way to gather marketing information. Of course in the real world we are not limited to just one. But it makes people think about what is most important.

As a thread, this poll has answered some people's questions about things other then DLB. It poll has done some good.

And it did give everyone a chance to rattle the old cliches again. :)

During football season, for me, DLB. I use it too much to surf the other games and the workaround just isn't surfing friendly at all.

Now, should the ALL ACCESS package come to pass where all my old DVRs don't cost anything, I might be less interested in DLB. Then MRV likely jumps to #1 for me.

Cheers,
Tom

jheda

07-09-07, 08:54 AM

Tom, can you explain the all access pass?
And what is your opinion on a DLB stickie?

Michael D'Angelo

07-09-07, 08:58 AM

Tom, can you explain the all access pass?

The all access package is only a rumor at this point. Hopefully it will happen but don't think it will. Earl has talk to a few people at DIRECTV and they said there is no such thing. But they were happy to see so many people wanting it. The package would be the Premier package which has the DVR services included. The HD package and as many receiver's on your account as you would like for $119.99.

jonaswan2

07-09-07, 09:03 AM

And I was too late :D.

jheda

07-09-07, 09:19 AM

Im in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The all access package is only a rumor at this point. Hopefully it will happen but don't think it will. Earl has talk to a few people at DIRECTV and they said there is no such thing. But they were happy to see so many people wanting it. The package would be the Premier package which has the DVR services included. The HD package and as many receiver's on your account as you would like for $119.99.

ATARI

07-09-07, 09:25 AM

DLB +1

Earl Bonovich

07-09-07, 09:30 AM

And what is your opinion on a DLB stickie?

Well, I never made my opinion on the DLB Sticky..

My opinion, just as it was when QUE asked with the original (and still the current)... Do you want DLB thread...

That is why I allow that particular thread to be bumped, time and time again.

I will make that particular thread, a sticky (Que's)... and all conversation can continue in that thread... All other DLB threads, will be refered back to that particular thread.

If that is the course that is wanted... we can make that happen, as I don't want the Q&A section to become a: "I want this X,Y,Z feature", "It's Time...", "I demand", "Let's boycott"... every other post (which I feel is what has happened the last week)

As for DLB:

DLB is not a feature of a system.
DirecTV 100% understands that there is a population of users that want DLB.

As I have said... time and time again.
DLB is on the list of requested items, however it is not in active development.

I don't know how many times I have to spell that out.

They KNOW there is a population that wants DLB, however at this time, they have decided to work on other features of the system.

DLB has not been officially, once and for all, eliminated from the possible future feature list.

As for why... I have asked, and as expected... didn't get any "official" statement, other then what I just typed above (it is on the list, but is not being worked on). I can ask a 1,000 times... and I know I am going to get the same answer, as that is in fact THE ANSWER

There is nothing else to give.