Confused on what "native on" does

[ddeen]

I have read conflicting posts on this topic so I hope someone knows for sure.

If I have "Native On" will this pass the original signal no matter what I have checked on the TV Resolutions page? Or do I have to have "Native On" and all of the boxes checked on the resolution page to have the HR20 pass any signal in its native resolution?

In other words say the native signal is 480i, "Native is on", and I only have 1080i checked on the TV resolution page, does the HR20 ignore the "Native On" setting and perform the upconversion to 1080i, or does the "Native On" setting override the TV resolution and pass 480i?

[hilmar2k]

I have read conflicting posts on this topic so I hope someone knows for sure.

If I have "Native On" will this pass the original signal no matter what I have checked on the TV Resolutions page? Or do I have to have "Native On" and all of the boxes checked on the resolution page to have the HR20 pass any signal in its native resolution?

In other words say the native signal is 480i, "Native is on", and I only have 1080i checked on the TV resolution page, does the HR20 ignore the "Native On" setting and perform the upconversion to 1080i, or does the "Native On" setting override the TV resolution and pass 480i?

Native will pass the signal in its original resolution, assuming that you have that resolution checked. For instance, if you have native on, and only 720p and 1080i checked, then 480i and 720p will be output as 720p and 1080i will be output as 1080i.

[ddeen]

Thanks for the clarification.

[DogLover]

It needs to work this way, because some TV's will not handle all resolutions on input. For example, my TV won't handle 480i on its HDMI input. My TV also won't handle the 720 resolution at all.

[veryoldschool]

It needs to work this way, because some TV's will not handle all resolutions on input. For example, my TV won't handle 480i on its HDMI input. My TV also won't handle the 720 resolution at all.
I think you're mixing up settings. Yes, the resolution options are there for all of the different TVs that may or may not display resolutions.
Native on/off is for users that want their TV to handle the scaling, or whether they want the HR-20 to do it.
Scalers will vary in quality, so your TV might do a better job [like I think mine does] while other TVs may not do as good a job as the HR-20.
Just another option to play with to get the best picture on your TV. :)

[Ken S]

I think you're mixing up settings. Yes, the resolution options are there for all of the different TVs that may or may not display resolutions.
Native on/off is for users that want their TV to handle the scaling, or whether they want the HR-20 to do it.
Scalers will vary in quality, so your TV might do a better job [like I think mine does] while other TVs may not do as good a job as the HR-20.
Just another option to play with to get the best picture on your TV. :)

Yep, the important thing is to try it both ways..and don't be adverse to switching if you're not satisfied with the PQ on a certain channel.

[MrDad0330]

Uhm, interesting. So if I have Native "on" and only check, say 1080i, will my HR20 upconvert my SD from 480 to 1080i? Currently I have all boxes checked from 480 to 1080i. It seems my HR20 adjusts up and down depending on the channel im watching. What happens if i have Native "off"

[veryoldschool]

Yep, the important thing is to try it both ways..and don't be adverse to switching if you're not satisfied with the PQ on a certain channel.
Also to remember that what ever setting you like is the "right one" for you, as the viewer is the one that should be the judge, & not what someone posts or writes in a review.
Some like native on and don't mind if there is longer channel changing, while others can't see any change and hate the channel changing lag. This is very much: YMMV :)

[veryoldschool]

Uhm, interesting. So if I have Native "on" and only check, say 1080i, will my HR20 upconvert my SD from 480 to 1080i? Currently I have all boxes checked from 480 to 1080i. It seems my HR20 adjusts up and down depending on the channel im watching. What happens if i have Native "off"
With native "off", it will stay at what ever resolution you are currently set for. You can use the remote to change resolutions [upper left, second down, button].
HD comes in two forms 1080i & 720p. I use native because [to me] SD looks better on my screen when my TV scales it to fit the screen size.

[DogLover]

Native off means that the HR20 will output the currently selected resolution and you must specifically make this change. I believe the format button on the remote cycles through all checked resolution/format combinations.)

Native on means that the HR20 will output the resolution that it is sent from the satellite, unless that resolution is unchecked. In that case, it selects what it thinks is the next most appropriate resolution, and displays that. I believe the format button in that case only cycles through the different format (stretch, pillar, crop).

Would someone please correct me if this summary is incorrect.

[veryoldschool]

Native off means that the HR20 will output the currently selected resolution and you must specifically make this change. I believe the format button on the remote cycles through all checked resolution/format combinations.)

Native on means that the HR20 will output the resolution that it is sent from the satellite, unless that resolution is unchecked. In that case, it selects what it thinks is the next most appropriate resolution, and displays that. I believe the format button in that case only cycles through the different format (stretch, pillar, crop).

Would someone please correct me if this summary is incorrect.
As I read your posting, you are correct.
I use native and the format button only cycles through the format options. If I turned native off, it cycles through each format and then the next resolution [and formats].
Also, the formats only change for SD programs. The HR-20 doesn't change HD resolution formats. Some TVs will change both SD & HD formats.

[MrDad0330]

sounds like my best bet is to just leave Native "ON" I am happy with that...Thanks guys...

[GutBomb]

I currently feed everything to my tv at 720p no matter the native resolution. Is there an advantage to using native? Is 480i content going to look better on my tv if output t 480i rather than 720p like I have it now?

[veryoldschool]

I currently feed everything to my tv at 720p no matter the native resolution. Is there an advantage to using native? Is 480i content going to look better on my tv if output t 480i rather than 720p like I have it now?
"Look better"?
Well that would be up to you, since you're the one watching your TV.
"For me", yes, my TV can make an SD program look damn good. I can even zoom [crop] an SD picture that comes in letterbox and have a good looking picture. This is with my new Sony & my older HD Sony looked bad with any zoom/crop setting, so it all comes now to what you see out of your equipment.
Best thing to do is to "play with it" and then decide what you like best. Once you find that out, you've got the right settings for you & your equipment.