View Full Version : Enabling the colored buttons for trickplay.
LR308er
08-01-07, 03:34 PM
Currently, only the blue button has a function during live or playback viewing.
The other buttons seem to be on holiday.
This proposal enables the buttons to be used in the following ways to make trickplay a little less tricky. Each function would be instantaneous instead of having to hold the button for three seconds.
Red - Skip to Tick Rewind
Green - Skip to Tick FFWD
Yellow - Slow Motion
Earl Bonovich
08-01-07, 03:36 PM
Red is used for interactive applications (that are also part of live TV play).
Yellow is currently used to toggle between audio options (when there is more then one available)
Green is current not used (as far as I am aware of).
Stuart Sweet
08-01-07, 03:36 PM
The green button sets a bookmark on recorded programming.
The yellow button changes audio tracks on programming that has multiple audio tracks.
The red button... I don't know but a while back there was a push to enable 1-button CC using it and there was some reason why we couldn't.
Stuart Sweet
08-01-07, 03:38 PM
Earl beat me to it! Yeah, Red enables What's Hot.
Canis Lupus
08-01-07, 03:38 PM
Could resolve that whole, "Closed Caption toggle on/off" issue ;) , and the "How many buttons do you expect me to put on this remote?!" issue.
Not a bad idea actually. Colored buttons have different functions for different states of use.
Back to the drawing board with the software! :lol:
Earl Bonovich
08-01-07, 03:38 PM
Earl beat me to it! Yeah, Red enables What's Hot.
But you got what Green did... ;)
Earl Bonovich
08-01-07, 03:40 PM
Another side note about using the color buttons:
The play button is on the "other" side of the remote...
So if you use those for trickplay functions, you would be swining you hand up and down the remote.
LR308er
08-01-07, 03:40 PM
Nuts!
Kill the poll.
Canis Lupus
08-01-07, 03:41 PM
Another side note about using the color buttons:
The play button is on the "other" side of the remote...
So if you use those for trickplay functions, you would be swining you hand up and down the remote.
How bout you press the colored button a second time, and it Plays ?
Earl Bonovich
08-01-07, 03:42 PM
How bout you press the colored button a second time, and it Plays ?
But then what do you do if you want to a regular FF... or a general pause (not a slow play)... or jump back a bit, because the ticks where too far...
Canis Lupus
08-01-07, 03:44 PM
But then what do you do if you want to a regular FF... or a general pause (not a slow play)... or jump back a bit, because the ticks where too far...
There goes that hand moving up the remote again!
OK back to the drawing board and rebuild that remote!! :lol:
EDIT: oh yeah! and put more buttons on it while yer at it!
Earl Bonovich
08-01-07, 03:46 PM
There goes that hand moving up the remote again!
OK back to the drawing board and rebuild that remote!! :lol:
EDIT: oh yeah! and put more buttons on it while yer at it!
Ding Ding...
I think you will find very few arguments, that the remote needs to be redesigned... to be a DVR remote first, then a receiver remote, then a "other device" universal remote.
Tom Robertson
08-01-07, 03:48 PM
Nuts!
Kill the poll.
Actually, this is an interesting poll. This group of highly creative people might come up with some great suggestions.
Cheers,
Tom
johnd'oh
08-01-07, 03:50 PM
All trickplay functions should be able to be controlled using the current transport buttons on the remote. Tivo was able to handle everything and it didn't even need the Stop button. I don't understand why it's so difficult to do something similar to what Tivo did. It was simple, elegant and worked very well.
Sometimes it's nice to reinvent the wheel, but not if you're going to make it square.
LR308er
08-01-07, 04:09 PM
No. Seriously. Kill it.
I'm going back the gun forums where I know what I'm doing. :blush:
Stuart Sweet
08-01-07, 04:23 PM
Sometimes it's nice to reinvent the wheel, but not if you're going to make it square.
Nice analogy anyway.
Believe me I am in no way one of those Apple fanboys but I agree with the person who said somewhere on this site that it would be great to see the remote designed along Apple guidelines.
tonyd79
08-01-07, 05:02 PM
No! Follow the Tivo method.
Jeremy W
08-01-07, 05:22 PM
it would be great to see the remote designed along Apple guidelines.
It would only have five buttons! :eek2:
Jeremy W
08-01-07, 05:23 PM
No! Follow the Tivo method.
You mean the method that puts the power and input buttons in the middle? No thanks. At least DirecTV got that right.
tonyd79
08-01-07, 05:23 PM
It would only have five buttons! :eek2:
You seen the iphone?
Jeremy W
08-01-07, 05:25 PM
You seen the iphone?
ONE BUTTON! :eek2: :eek2: :eek2: :eek2: :eek2:
Sorry, I like to be able to feel the remote control buttons. An all-touchscreen iPhone-esqe remote control would be terrible, IMO.
tonyd79
08-01-07, 06:04 PM
ONE BUTTON! :eek2: :eek2: :eek2: :eek2: :eek2:
Sorry, I like to be able to feel the remote control buttons. An all-touchscreen iPhone-esqe remote control would be terrible, IMO.
Me too. I have ZERO touch screen functions on my remotes. I want to feel buttons without looking at them. The people who use touchscreens must never change the channel!
Greg Alsobrook
08-01-07, 07:45 PM
I think one of the buttons should be dedicated to going back to "live" after you've rewound a program...
All trickplay functions should be able to be controlled using the current transport buttons on the remote. I agree ... use trickplay buttons only and eliminate all press-and-hold functions by detecting key sequences.
Examples of key sequences for trick-play functions:
SKIP TO TICK:
[REW] [REPLAY] = jump to previous tick mark. Press [REPLAY] as needed for additional jumps.
[FFW] [SLIP] = jump to next tick mark. Press [SLIP] again as needed for additional jumps.
JUMP TO END OR BEGINNING:
[FFW] [RIGHT-ARROW] = jump to beginning of the buffer or current recording
[REW] [LEFT-ARROW] = jump to end of the buffer or current recording
SLOW MOTION CONTROLS:
[PAUSE] [REW] = slow motion in REVERSE direction
[PAUSE] [FFW] = slow motion in FORWARD direction
STEP MODE:
[PAUSE] [REPLAY] = step back one frame.
[PAUSE] [SLIP] = step forward one frame
I think one of the buttons should be dedicated to going back to "live" after you've rewound a program...
In my proposal (above), [FFW] followed by the [RIGHT-ARROW] key would jump to "live".
pprather
08-01-07, 08:18 PM
I agree ... use trickplay buttons only and eliminate all press-and-hold functions by detecting key sequences.
Examples of key sequences for trick-play functions:
SKIP TO TICK:
[REW] [REPLAY] = jump to previous tick mark. Press [REPLAY] as needed for additional jumps.
[FFW] [SLIP] = jump to next tick mark. Press [SLIP] again as needed for additional jumps.
JUMP TO END OR BEGINNING:
[REW] [LEFT-ARROW] = jump to end of the buffer or current recording
[FFW] [RIGHT-ARROW] = jump to beginning of the buffer or current recording
SLOW MOTION CONTROLS:
[PAUSE] [FFW] = slow motion in FORWARD direction
[PAUSE] [REW] = slow motion in REVERSE direction
STEP MODE:
[PAUSE] [SLIP] = step back one frame.
[PAUSE] [REPLAY] = step forward one frame
Drew - These are good suggestions. I like this layout.
Drew - These are good suggestions. I like this layout.Thanks, but I kind of screwed up on the STEP options ... so I had to fix my earlier post. :p
jaywdetroit
08-01-07, 08:39 PM
Who needs a remote?
Why doesn't d* just build an implant that allows us to just think about what we want the DVR to do.
The implant surgery would have to be free of course (with a 2 year commitment.)
(pain meds not included)
Who needs a remote?
Why doesn't d* just build an implant that allows us to just think about what we want the DVR to do.
The implant surgery would have to be free of course (with a 2 year commitment.)
(pain meds not included):p We were just talking about something similar at work today, but without the surgery. I always forget to check myself in on our electronic "In/Out Board", so I was wishing we had a "smart" version of the application that detected when I was within the building, so it would just mark me "IN". I'll keep my fingers crossed we get that in the next software upgrade in the office. ;)
armophob
08-01-07, 08:56 PM
Who needs a remote?
Why doesn't d* just build an implant that allows us to just think about what we want the DVR to do.
The implant surgery would have to be free of course (with a 2 year commitment.)
(pain meds not included)
I have that implant. Unfortunately the transmission works both ways. I now have to do certain tasks the HR20 asks me to do. Very, very bad things.
cygnusloop
08-01-07, 09:29 PM
No. Seriously. Kill it.
I'm going back the gun forums where I know what I'm doing. :blush:
Oh, OK, now I get where your user name came from. :up:
Hey, it was still a good idea.
Proposal:
Left and Right buttons to move the cursor on the progress bar.
-mk
Milominderbinder2
08-01-07, 10:35 PM
The problem is really with the press & hold button features. 3 second hold is designed by the good folk from Geritol.
For everyone under 90 that is at least twice too slow.
It can be done in the software of the HR20 without a change to remotes. When it gets the FFW signal for 1 straight second, do the 3 second hold feature.
- Craig
MercurialIN
08-01-07, 11:08 PM
If possible I wish one of the moderators could change my vote to no, I voted before reading the thread, Earl and others have come up with convincing reasons not to used the colored buttons for trickplay. I do wish that trickplay would be handled differently then it is currently but I guess using the colored buttons is not the answer.
Tom Robertson
08-01-07, 11:19 PM
If possible I wish one of the moderators could change my vote to no, I voted before reading the thread, Earl and others have come up with convincing reasons not to used the colored buttons for trickplay. I do wish that trickplay would be handled differently then it is currently but I guess using the colored buttons is not the answer.
Happily done. I can't change that you are listed where you originally voted, but the totals have been changed to reflect your wishes.
Cheers,
Tom
MercurialIN
08-01-07, 11:30 PM
Happily done. I can't change that you are listed where you originally voted, but the totals have been changed to reflect your wishes.
Cheers,
Tom
Thanks Tom I really appreciate it.
Mike Bertelson
08-02-07, 06:00 AM
Absolutely! :D
That would be the perfect use for those buttons!
BTW, I screwed up and voted NO when I really wanted to vote YES. :rolleyes:
Is there a way to change it?
Mike
christo76
08-02-07, 06:59 AM
I agree ... use trickplay buttons only and eliminate all press-and-hold functions by detecting key sequences.
Examples of key sequences for trick-play functions:
SKIP TO TICK:
[REW] [REPLAY] = jump to previous tick mark. Press [REPLAY] as needed for additional jumps.
[FFW] [SLIP] = jump to next tick mark. Press [SLIP] again as needed for additional jumps.
JUMP TO END OR BEGINNING:
[FFW] [RIGHT-ARROW] = jump to beginning of the buffer or current recording
[REW] [LEFT-ARROW] = jump to end of the buffer or current recording
SLOW MOTION CONTROLS:
[PAUSE] [REW] = slow motion in REVERSE direction
[PAUSE] [FFW] = slow motion in FORWARD direction
STEP MODE:
[PAUSE] [REPLAY] = step back one frame.
[PAUSE] [SLIP] = step forward one frame
I voted no, because I think it should be changed as Drew noted. Do it like tivo. I realize they wanted some new and different.... but thats no excuse to make it worse. If they don't have the time/resources to come up with something new, then use something old, that works.
Stuart Sweet
08-02-07, 07:37 AM
Drew's idea is the best so far.
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