View Full Version : Fix the #%&#! CIR!!!!!!!
Stepping on my soap box.
The HR20 has been on the market for a year now and DirecTV still hasn't fixed the CIR making auto recording of sports basically unusable. The DirecTivo I purchased in 2001 had this ability. Every DVR on the market today has this ability. They could have easily allowed us to manually edit the CIR until they figured out all their technical issues. I'm assuming that this has been a DirecTV management decision to make CIR a low priority and to allow their customers to own a partially working DVR. I know supposedly this is going to be resolved soon, but i wanted to revive this issue to let DircTV know that it is unacceptable to treat their customers this way.
Ok, off my soap box now.
Earl Bonovich
08-22-07, 09:23 AM
Stepping on to my Soap Box.
AGAIN... for the 100,000th time...
The CIR issue, has nothing to do with the HR20 software.
It is actually EXTREMELY HIGH on their list of things to fix... however the proper fix (and the one they are doing), is extremely complex in scale.
[/Soap box]
Stepping on my OSHA-approved safety detergent box, the HR20 software could be modified ala the DirecTiVos, until such time as the "extremely complex" work on the mysterious underlying problem is finished.
Carefully stepping off my safety detergent box, and waiting for Milominderbinder2 and the artist formerly known as lamontcranston to rip into the scab of this festering wound.
Tom Robertson
08-22-07, 09:47 AM
Ah the OSHA-approve safety detergent stepstool storage container. Have to get one.
Anyway, even after CIR is solved thru software not for the HR20, it still seems to be a desirable feature to filter searches on a list of my favorite channels. But we've all been thru this before, we'll be thru this again, and then we'll be thru this again even after the CIR is fixed.
Cheers,
Tom
Ah the OSHA-approve safety detergent stepstool storage container. Have to get one.
Anyway, even after CIR is solved thru software not for the HR20, it still seems to be a desirable feature to filter searches on a list of my favorite channels. But we've all been thru this before, we'll be thru this again, and then we'll be thru this again even after the CIR is fixed.
Cheers,
Tom
As the father of the favorites filter idea (http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=79157), I'm heartened that it's been just six and a half months since I suggested it, so I'm sure that it's implementation is right around the corner.
Michael D'Angelo
08-22-07, 10:11 AM
What is CIR?
CIR=Channels I Receive
Machpelah
08-22-07, 07:00 PM
CIR=Channels I Receive
It sure would have made his rant a bit more salient had he not used abbreviations. :lol:
I need abbreviations guide for this forum....:grin:
Michael D'Angelo
08-22-07, 07:02 PM
It sure would have made his rant a bit more salient had he not used abbreviations. :lol:
I need abbreviations guide for this forum....:grin:
Here you go. This should help.
http://www.dbstalk.com/acronyms.htm
Stepping on to my Soap Box.
AGAIN... for the 100,000th time...
The CIR issue, has nothing to do with the HR20 software.
It is actually EXTREMELY HIGH on their list of things to fix... however the proper fix (and the one they are doing), is extremely complex in scale.
[/Soap box]
Earl you're probably just passing on informaton provided to you, and to be perfectly blunt it's 100% wrong.
The HR20 has access to the exact same data stream every other DVR DirecTV has offered and at least one of them did not have this problem. I can guarantee that 100% and can prove it.
Like I said you're probably just passing on information provided to you, but it's time to look that source in the face and call a spade a spade. The lame excuse is an insult to those who know better.
A very simple way to accomplish this would be to ignore guide data for blocked channels. This has been done before and does work. There are of course at least two definitions of CIR. The direction DirecTV is headed this means all authorized channels... which is their way of continuing to force unwanted information on the customer. What I'm sure most end users mean by CIR is what's shown on their Favorites. For example I block all shopping and ethnic channels and do not want CIR to include any data contained on blocked channels.
To say this is complicated is nonsense. Like trying to justify playing with guide colors is more important than basic features... doesn't hold water.
-Joe
PoitNarf
08-22-07, 08:04 PM
The HR20 has access to the exact same data stream every other DVR DirecTV has offered and at least one of them did not have this problem. I can guarantee that 100% and can prove it.
Ok, I'll bite. Which receiver that is D* branded and does not have TiVo currently works with CIR?
Like trying to justify playing with guide colors is more important than basic features... doesn't hold water.
Who tried to justify that? Surely they are capable of GUI changes while focusing on adding new features simultaneously.
armophob
08-22-07, 08:21 PM
"Just want to let you know good luck and we are all counting on you."
Has the OP voted on the HR20 wishlist yet? This is the best way to make you opinion known.
sorry I am not good at adding links like the senior staff here.
Ok, I'll bite. Which receiver that is D* branded and does not have TiVo currently works with CIR?
Who tried to justify that? Surely they are capable of GUI changes while focusing on adding new features simultaneously.
The Microsoft UltimateTV DVR. Unfortunately people look to TiVo as an example of the way a DVR should be... it's a terrible interface... but it does happen to be the most popular. The UTV unit did (and still does) nearly everything a DVR should do and does it well (except HD of course). Had 30 second skip, 300X FF, CIR, better search, and does exactly what it is supposed to do 99.99% of the time.
There actually was a UTV-HD developed but Microsoft lost interest in DirecTV and it's lost to history. You can do things with UTV in a one or two button sequence that takes 10+ on the HR20.
As for simultaneously making the GUI and feature changes... the results are self evident. Obviously they can't do both because they didn't. DirecTV put resources toward picking funky colors instead of putting more effort into solving problems such as those represented here. That was a choice by management... despite efforts to appear otherwise it's just not that complicated... and there should be management heads rolling.
The good news is that it appears that there will be major shakeups in the not too distant future regarding DirecTV and DVR's. Rupert is no longer in charge and some of the inside deals are going to be revisited. Hopefully this will be outsourced to a third party that can actually get things done. There's a lot of dead weight at DirecTV that needs to be cleaned up. Sooner the better in my opinion and maybe we can get paying customers out of this perpetual beta testing program.
-Joe
Earl Bonovich
08-22-07, 08:27 PM
The HR20 has access to the exact same data stream every other DVR DirecTV has offered and at least one of them did not have this problem. I can guarantee that 100% and can prove it.
Like I said you're probably just passing on information provided to you, but it's time to look that source in the face and call a spade a spade. The lame excuse is an insult to those who know better.
You are correct... it has access to the same data stream...
But the fact remains... that all those other DVRs don't use the piece of data stream, that will be used to build the automatic CIR list...
So can you "guarantee 100% prove it" ?
If your proof is the Access Card Logic... well that doesn't cut it.
The Access Card is seperate from the main software of any receiver... it has one sole responsibility, and that is access control.. The software on the system does not communicate directly with the Access Card... the Access Card communicates back to it (hence some of the OSDs you see)... it isn't a two way street. The Software can not "ask" the access card, for a list of channels you have access too... it is not built into the access card logic.
So if you were to go with that path... you would have to do a channel scan... and that is no guarantee that it will always be correct, unless you do them frequently.
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The only DVR to date that used it was the R15... and was in fact when it was found that there was a major problem. Hence why it was turned off.
When the R15 would process the guide data stream at start up... you would have access to all channels... they would be all marked as CIR... as your programming tiers started to process... that CIR would update according...
The problem is... when different tiers processed (such as someone NOT having the RSN package)... things went a little "weird"... it would then remove your RSN that was part of your base package.... and thus would not allow anything to be scheduled or recorded on that channel... as that later tier told the system that you did not have the channel.
Similar things happened on free pre-view weekends... If you didn't have the actuall package, that would override the pre-view.
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The bottom line is... they had to change multiple things, for the proper fix.
And that proper fix resulted in just about every receiver from the past few years, needing a software update... (haven't you noticed that just about ever receiver has gotten a sotware update in the last 6 months? )
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So please, Joe... prove to me where the information I have provided is incorrect... And what is your theory on what is going on... and how I insulted those that "know" better.
Earl Bonovich
08-22-07, 08:33 PM
The Microsoft UltimateTV DVR. Unfortunately people look to TiVo as an example of the way a DVR should be... it's a terrible interface... but it does happen to be the most popular. The UTV unit did (and still does) nearly everything a DVR should do and does it well (except HD of course). Had 30 second skip, 300X FF, CIR, better search, and does exactly what it is supposed to do 99.99% of the time.
There actually was a UTV-HD developed but Microsoft lost interest in DirecTV and it's lost to history. You can do things with UTV in a one or two button sequence that takes 10+ on the HR20.
More accurately Microsoft lost intrest in the entire SET TOP line... not just DirecTV, or the UltimateTV... they pulled out of the entire WebTV, and their other things...
Didn't help that the UTV was 3 times the cost of a DTiVo and double the service charge.
A UTV-HD? That is a new one... it is possible that it was in development... but in 5+ years, that is the first I have ever heard of it.
Also... can you explain to me how UTV did CIR... I didn't have a UTV, but would like to understand how it handled the CIR.
Also.. can you provide me a list of things that the UTV could do in 1 or 2 key presses, that take 10+ on a HR20
The good news is that it appears that there will be major shakeups in the not too distant future regarding DirecTV and DVR's. Rupert is no longer in charge and some of the inside deals are going to be revisited. Hopefully this will be outsourced to a third party that can actually get things done. There's a lot of dead weight at DirecTV that needs to be cleaned up. Sooner the better in my opinion and maybe we can get paying customers out of this perpetual beta testing program.
-Joe
Right... gotcha... What is your definition of "too distant future" ?
You are correct... it has access to the same data stream...
But the fact remains... that all those other DVRs don't use the piece of data stream, that will be used to build the automatic CIR list...
So can you "guarantee 100% prove it" ?
If your proof is the Access Card Logic... well that doesn't cut it.
The Access Card is seperate from the main software of any receiver... it has one sole responsibility, and that is access control.. The software on the system does not communicate directly with the Access Card... the Access Card communicates back to it (hence some of the OSDs you see)... it isn't a two way street. The Software can not "ask" the access card, for a list of channels you have access too... it is not built into the access card logic.
So if you were to go with that path... you would have to do a channel scan... and that is no guarantee that it will always be correct, unless you do them frequently.
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The only DVR to date that used it was the R15... and was in fact when it was found that there was a major problem. Hence why it was turned off.
When the R15 would process the guide data stream at start up... you would have access to all channels... they would be all marked as CIR... as your programming tiers started to process... that CIR would update according...
The problem is... when different tiers processed (such as someone NOT having the RSN package)... things went a little "weird"... it would then remove your RSN that was part of your base package.... and thus would not allow anything to be scheduled or recorded on that channel... as that later tier told the system that you did not have the channel.
Similar things happened on free pre-view weekends... If you didn't have the actuall package, that would override the pre-view.
-----
The bottom line is... they had to change multiple things, for the proper fix.
And that proper fix resulted in just about every receiver from the past few years, needing a software update... (haven't you noticed that just about ever receiver has gotten a sotware update in the last 6 months? )
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So please, Joe... prove to me where the information I have provided is incorrect... And what is your theory on what is going on... and how I insulted those that "know" better.
Yes, as I stated, the proof is in UltimateTV. It's been doing it for years. Block a channel and I guarantee you won't ever catch it on an autorecord or search.
You want to think like DirecTV. Their goal is to be able to force data on the customer... mostly unwanted data.
If I block a channel I don't care if it's in the "package" I receive or not... I don't want to see anything on it. PERIOD. I'm interested in the channels I receive, not the package I receive. Big difference.
It's not that complicated, or difficult. It's been done before and works. Been working for years and years. Working well too... not perfect but well over 99% accurate.
The difference is in the decision on who should decide what they want to see on their guide, search, and auto-records... DirecTV or the customer. I say the customer, but DirecTV doesn't like that idea and feel that they should be able to force data upon the customer so they can sell forced ads (showcases for example).
-Joe
Earl Bonovich
08-22-07, 08:43 PM
Yes, as I stated, the proof is in UltimateTV. It's been doing it for years. Block a channel and I guarantee you won't ever catch it on an autorecord or search.
You want to think like DirecTV. Their goal is to be able to force data on the customer... mostly unwanted data.
If I block a channel I don't care if it's in the "package" I receive or not... I don't want to see anything on it. PERIOD. I'm interested in the channels I receive, not the package I receive. Big difference.
It's not that complicated, or difficult. It's been done before and works. Been working for years and years. Working well too... not perfect but well over 99% accurate.
The difference is in the decision on who should decide what they want to see on their guide, search, and auto-records... DirecTV or the customer. I say the customer, but DirecTV doesn't like that idea and feel that they should be able to force data upon the customer so they can sell forced ads (showcases for example).
-Joe
You're right... it is a TREMENDOUS different... as they are not the same thing.
Manually Altered List...
Automatic Derived list based on your programming packages.
You might not like it that is how DirecTV is doing it with their receiver... but that is the way it is going to be done.
But at least now you know, and can make your decisions accordingly.
More accurately Microsoft lost intrest in the entire SET TOP line... not just DirecTV, or the UltimateTV... they pulled out of the entire WebTV, and their other things...
Didn't help that the UTV was 3 times the cost of a DTiVo and double the service charge.
A UTV-HD? That is a new one... it is possible that it was in development... but in 5+ years, that is the first I have ever heard of it.
Also... can you explain to me how UTV did CIR... I didn't have a UTV, but would like to understand how it handled the CIR.
Also.. can you provide me a list of things that the UTV could do in 1 or 2 key presses, that take 10+ on a HR20
Right... gotcha... What is your definition of "too distant future" ?
The cost was, and still is $10 per month no matter how may UTV's you have. The cost per unit depends on what period of time you look at. I believe they were introduced at $599 but were given away free for some period of time too.
Yes, the UTV-HD was as real as a product could have been before the HDTV standards were accepted. It's a shame that it was dropped, but there's at least one company ready to re-release the excellent user interface for a new DVR. AT&T is working with Microsoft on their HD-DVR that very much resembles the old UTV unit interface. Records four shows at once. The following was released on Monday regarding that unit:
"In AT&T's case, for instance, its rates will be similar to competitors, but in four of its five packages, the company is offering three receivers, including a high-definition digital video recorder (DVR) powered by Microsoft that can record four different shows at once. By contrast, most DVRs can record only two shows simultaneously.
In a demonstration last week, the DVR displayed an elegant and simple interface similar to the highly praised but short-lived Ultimate TV DVR that Microsoft developed with RCA earlier this decade."
The UTV / WebTV group at Microsoft was migrated to the X-Box group. Not everyone made it of course.
I'm not prepared or have the desire to provide a comprehensive comparison of the products, but I suggest you get your hands on a UTV unit for your own comparison. It's 95% of of what a DVR should be as far as the interface goes. Outdated technology, but that's not the point.
If what I'm told is correct the AT&T HD-DVR will really show us what a DVR should be. I'm looking forward to it and I'm sure DirecTV is aware that they need to be on the fast track to catch up.
What does "not too distant future" mean? I don't have a crystal ball, but it wouldn't surprise me to see major changes yet this year.
-Joe
hilmar2k
08-22-07, 08:59 PM
If I block a channel I don't care if it's in the "package" I receive or not... I don't want to see anything on it. PERIOD. I'm interested in the channels I receive, not the package I receive. Big difference.-Joe
Isn't there a difference between Channels I Receive and Channels I Want?
Sounds like you want the latter, while D* is adding the former. It's not the implementation you have an issue with, it's their choice of which they implement.
armophob
08-22-07, 09:22 PM
The cost was, and still is $10 per month no matter how may UTV's you have. The cost per unit depends on what period of time you look at. I believe they were introduced at $599 but were given away free for some period of time too.
What does "not too distant future" mean? I don't have a crystal ball, but it wouldn't surprise me to see major changes yet this year.
-Joe
I encourage you to stay tuned. As we speak here on these posts the developers continue to listen to our suggestions. I cannot tell by your post count how long you have been reading, I but i can say that this place has played an indirect and definitely a direct role in reshaping the entire formatting process. This subject on CIR has been around as long as DLB and will continue until it happens.
If D* could fix this with their wand they would have months ago for our purposes only.
Of this I can take faith in.
Doug Brott
08-22-07, 10:02 PM
Hmm ... A manually filtered list is not the same as a list that is specific to your programming choices. As it is now, even TiVo (and UTV) would record the wrong channels if there wasn't some manual intervention. I'm looking forward to CIR being completed so that we can move past the current series of discussions.
TheRatPatrol
08-22-07, 10:06 PM
The Microsoft UltimateTV DVR.
I don't see CIR in any of the menu options on my UTV. Which menu are you seeing this in? Thanks
PoitNarf
08-22-07, 10:07 PM
Perhaps they plan on implementing CIW "Channels I Watch" after CIR has been fixed?
inkahauts
08-22-07, 10:30 PM
Ok.. My two cents...
I have a problem with the way Directv wants to handel the CIR for one reason. Black out issues. I would like to see an auto record feature that would allow you to choose one of the channels lists, either one sent by directv or one of the two I have created as a filter for decideing what to record. If not, Directvs system will always screw me over, and you should never mess with a mans recording of his favorite sports teams. Here is an example. The HR20 has on many occasions recorded a sports game on a channel I recieve, i.e. an out of market RSN, but that broadcast is blacked out because my local is carrying it. I don't see how Directv's fix will fix this paticular issue, because blackouts and channels I recieve are two different things.
Please correct me if I am wrong and explain to me how Directvs planned fix will get around this issue.
The best fix in my opinion is still to allow a user to create an additional filter in all or any autorecords that will allow the user to give preference to channels for a record just like we do for seires links. This would insuer that not only I would get the program, but that I would get it with the announcers that I want, regardless of anything else.
Earl Bonovich
08-22-07, 10:35 PM
I don't think there is any system... automated, or manual alter list...
That will guarantee you will not be effected by a sports "blackout"...
Anything short of manually tweeking your todo list... and even that probably won't be 100%.
Tom Robertson
08-22-07, 11:24 PM
I don't think there is any system... automated, or manual alter list...
That will guarantee you will not be effected by a sports "blackout"...
Anything short of manually tweeking your todo list... and even that probably won't be 100%.
So in other words, there is an opportunity here for a new system that solves this problem. :)
Cheers,
Tom
You're right... it is a TREMENDOUS different... as they are not the same thing.
Manually Altered List...
Automatic Derived list based on your programming packages.
You might not like it that is how DirecTV is doing it with their receiver... but that is the way it is going to be done.
But at least now you know, and can make your decisions accordingly.
So at least we got to the bottom of the problem! To fix the CIR problem the way customers want it fixed could be done easily and at any time. Very simple... ignore guide data from any blocked channel. The customer ends up with the search and autorecord only on the Channels I Receive.
The problem is the advertising opportunities and guarantees DirecTV made to the programming providers... called forced feed and guaranteed delivery in the industry. DirecTV want's to implement Packages I Receive... not Channels I Receive.
When you want to record "Diamonds Are Forever" DirecTV wants to make sure you also see the three hour segment on the shopping channel... not just the Bond classic.
I know DirecTV has made the choice to limit customer controlled content... that's why I chimed in on the issue. They have no intention of letting the customer only view what they want. This just happens to be a good example of that philosophy. The simple way that could be implemented immediately would be exactly what most customers want... but the advertisers and programmers wouldn't like that too much.
-Joe
So at least we got to the bottom of the problem! To fix the CIR problem the way customers want it fixed could be done easily and at any time. Very simple... ignore guide data from any blocked channel. The customer ends up with the search and autorecord only on the Channels I Receive.
The problem is the advertising opportunities and guarantees DirecTV made to the programming providers... called forced feed and guaranteed delivery in the industry. DirecTV want's to implement Packages I Receive... not Channels I Receive.
When you want to record "Diamonds Are Forever" DirecTV wants to make sure you also see the three hour segment on the shopping channel... not just the Bond classic.
I know DirecTV has made the choice to limit customer controlled content... that's why I chimed in on the issue. They have no intention of letting the customer only view what they want. This just happens to be a good example of that philosophy. The simple way that could be implemented immediately would be exactly what most customers want... but the advertisers and programmers wouldn't like that too much.
-Joe
This is probably why we have 30 second "slip" rather than "skip", and sadly, this is also probably why when you use the parental controls to specifically block a channel it still shows up as searchable.
Now if Directv was able to figure out a way ensure that blacked out games would be recorded on the correct channel i'd be impressed. None of the DVRs that i've seen are able to do this. I suppose it could be done. The blackout schedule would have to be in the data stream based upon zip code. The HR20 knowing what zip code it was in would base it's recording on the zip code. I assume currently that's how the reciever knows when to black out a game. The same logic could be used so that the receiver knows not to try to record it. What do you think? New wish list item?
armophob
08-23-07, 07:40 AM
Is there a compromise here? Would it be possible for D* to pre-select all the boxes in the favorites column for your package? I would think the boxes could be loaded with software that recognizes a pre-set code that verify's your payment plan "premier, plus,ect.". Then when going to set up a favorite list 1 or 2, you find the CIR's already checked. And every so often as new channels are added, you can reset to default and quickly use this list as your guide list. Then the end user can add or subtract channels at this point, which would mainly be the duplicated national networks. They could even name this favorite as a third choice, calling it by its package name, "premier" and such.
None of these would help me, solely due to the fact I use a favorite list that has cut the viewing down to locals,HD,some movie channels and a handfull of SD channels. Probably less than 50 in total. It only takes me a few flicks of the guide to see whats on.
I don't think there is any system... automated, or manual alter list...
That will guarantee you will not be effected by a sports "blackout"...
Anything short of manually tweeking your todo list... and even that probably won't
be 100%.
I don't agree. The fact that a channel is blacked out means the info is available. An auto record should be able to identify this at execution. If the "blackout flag" is set auto record the show on the next available channel.
Currently autorecords stop searching once a match is found. If they continued to search and had a list of alternates jumping from one to the next at blackout time would be quick. A small amount of time at the beginning of the show would be missed, I could live with that.
Earl Bonovich
08-23-07, 08:29 AM
I don't agree. The fact that a channel is blacked out means the info is available. An auto record should be able to identify this at execution. If the "blackout flag" is set auto record the show on the next available channel.
Currently autorecords stop searching once a match is found. If they continued to search and had a list of alternates jumping from one to the next at blackout time would be quick. A small amount of time at the beginning of the show would be missed, I could live with that.
Blackout restrictions are controlled on an Access Card Level.
So until the blackout data (which is pretty extensive and complicated), is included as part of the guide data (right now it is seperate)... which would be a good thing as they could mark blackouts in the guide.
Then it would be difficult for the system to pre-schedule those recodings..
It wouldn't know it was blacked out until it tried to tune it, and got a reply from the Access Card, that you are not able to see it.
So yes... "could" it be done... probably...
You might be able to live with that... but I can already see the posts... "damm HR20... missed the tip... stupid POS".
You might be able to live with that... but I can already see the posts... "damm HR20... missed the tip... stupid POS".
Umm...the HR20 already seems to do that...it wouldn't be anything new. In reality though most games start at at least :05 after the hour so there would be plenty of time for the HR20 to pickup the channel with real content on it.
UTVLamented
08-23-07, 11:15 AM
can you provide me a list of things that the UTV could do in 1 or 2 key presses, that take 10+ on a HR20?
Off the top of my head, the only one I could think of is with UTV you can go directly to the bottom of your recorded programs list with one-click (the same click toggles back to the top). Is there an HR20 shortcut that can do this?
For the most part UTV and HR20 function the same except UTV search and autorecord is quantum leaps better than HR20 (and Tivo for that matter).
This is probably why we have 30 second "slip" rather than "skip", and sadly, this is also probably why when you use the parental controls to specifically block a channel it still shows up as searchable.
You got that 100% correct. The slip vs. skip is 100% a DirecTV decision. Some spread some BS about patents, but that's exactly what it is... BS.
It's all about being able to sell forced feed and guaranteed content to providers.
As for the parental control issue... this one will be interesting to watch. There are FCC guidelines on such issues. If it's a problem for you I strongly suggest you file a FCC Form 475B against DirecTV for allowing your children to be subjected to obscene, profane, and indecent content (use those key words). I'm not qualified to determine if DirecTV is actually in violation, but you certainly have the right to file the complaint either way.
-Joe
You got that 100% correct. The slip vs. skip is 100% a DirecTV decision. Some spread some BS about patents, but that's exactly what it is... BS.
It's all about being able to sell forced feed and guaranteed content to providers.
As for the parental control issue... this one will be interesting to watch. There are FCC guidelines on such issues. If it's a problem for you I strongly suggest you file a FCC Form 475B against DirecTV for allowing your children to be subjected to obscene, profane, and indecent content (use those key words). I'm not qualified to determine if DirecTV is actually in violation, but you certainly have the right to file the complaint either way.
-Joe
Joe,
They're not making the actual show available...just the title (and sometimes the description). DirecTV isn't allowing my child to see obscene or indecent content...that's my job to stop...they are, however, making my job more difficult when it doesn't have to be.
AlbertZeroK
08-23-07, 12:21 PM
Joe,
They're not making the actual show available...just the title (and sometimes the description). DirecTV isn't allowing my child to see obscene or indecent content...that's my job to stop...they are, however, making my job more difficult when it doesn't have to be.
Aren't some show titles considered inappropriate? And are the show titles something the FCC has control over (it seems like an interesting line, because DirecTV does in fact transmit the guide date, so the FCC might have domain over it.)
Joe,
They're not making the actual show available...just the title (and sometimes the description). DirecTV isn't allowing my child to see obscene or indecent content...that's my job to stop...they are, however, making my job more difficult when it doesn't have to be.
I suppose it depends on the definition of "profane". There is no federal definition of the word. The legal definition is by the standards of the community.
In many ways this ties back to the V-Chip regulations. I'm sure there are some parents that feel the description of some programs are profane.
If you feel that it's 100% your job to stop your kids from viewing objectionable material then there are no parental lockouts required and the issue is moot.
If you feel that the parental lockouts should actually lock children out of even the description of such programming then I suggest you file a complaint.
The regulations seem straighforward to me, but as I stated I'm not in a position to say one way or the other. I have no need for any parental lockouts at all so I really don't care. I do recognize that others may need them, and that if they set up such blocks they have the expectation that all such content is actually blocked.
-Joe
Back to the OP topic: I don't understand why I can't have my Custom channels list applied to other areas of the UI. For example, when I pick the list of "All HDTV Channels" I believe (but I may be wrong) it actually says "custom 1" on the screen somewhere, but that's not true because it shows all HD channels whether they were in my list or not. Same goes for other filters, even search could have an option for searching within my custom list setting. If the box worked this way then I would only have to manually set up the custom channels once. There are issues with new channels coming online etc, but we already have that issue with the custom channel list so it seems like an improvement to at least be consistent.
steve
islesfan
08-23-07, 01:36 PM
I don't think there is any system... automated, or manual alter list...
That will guarantee you will not be effected by a sports "blackout"...
Anything short of manually tweeking your todo list... and even that probably won't be 100%.
I know they have decided to do it their way, but there is a 100% reliable way to ensure that this never happens, and that is the manual CIR of the TiVo. If I could just manually edit the CIR list like I can with a favorites list, I will never have a circumstance occur where I want to record something and I get it on a channel I don't receive.
I think what many of us are having trouble understanding is why D* INSISTS on making us wait until they figure out their problem, when a simple temporary solution could have been made available at any time! Just let us edit the CIR list manually!
hoopsbwc34
08-23-07, 01:43 PM
I know they have decided to do it their way, but there is a 100% reliable way to ensure that this never happens, and that is the manual CIR of the TiVo. If I could just manually edit the CIR list like I can with a favorites list, I will never have a circumstance occur where I want to record something and I get it on a channel I don't receive.
I think what many of us are having trouble understanding is why D* INSISTS on making us wait until they figure out their problem, when a simple temporary solution could have been made available at any time! Just let us edit the CIR list manually!
+1
Oh, and I'd like my 30 second SKIP too :D
Earl Bonovich
08-23-07, 02:06 PM
, but there is a 100% reliable way to ensure that this never happens, and that is the manual CIR of the TiVo.
Not to split hairs... but it is not 100%... At least not on the TiVo.
If a channel is dropped and re-added (Which does happen, whenever they have to update the channel)... it is re-added to your channel's receive, regardless if you can receive it or not.
So while it will allow you to create a custom-filtered list...
What you are looking for is a way to limit your searches to specific channels...
Where TiVo gave you that functionality, with the manipulation of their Channels I Receive List.....
It is not that the system will automatic, elimiate channels you don't have access too.... what most of you are looking for, is the ability to limit your search/autorecords to a user configurable channel list.
When I had my TiVo I often, excluded channels I didn't receive (like the movie channels), but then I had to add them back during free-view weekends if I wanted to record on them....
I suppose it depends on the definition of "profane". There is no federal definition of the word. The legal definition is by the standards of the community.
In many ways this ties back to the V-Chip regulations. I'm sure there are some parents that feel the description of some programs are profane.
If you feel that it's 100% your job to stop your kids from viewing objectionable material then there are no parental lockouts required and the issue is moot.
If you feel that the parental lockouts should actually lock children out of even the description of such programming then I suggest you file a complaint.
The regulations seem straighforward to me, but as I stated I'm not in a position to say one way or the other. I have no need for any parental lockouts at all so I really don't care. I do recognize that others may need them, and that if they set up such blocks they have the expectation that all such content is actually blocked.
-Joe
Joe, you hit the nail on the head there with all your posts. Those few here don't think straight when you talk about D* like that. They always go on the defensive and "try" to protect D* by saying this is not because of the box but bigger problem. This is BS, if TIVO and UTV can do it, why can't they? This is their sat we're talking about here. I don't think it is hard to do for a LOT of things on the wish list but either their programmers are second class ones or their hands are tied.
Earl Bonovich
08-23-07, 02:40 PM
Joe, you hit the nail on the head there with all your posts. Those few here don't think straight when you talk about D* like that. They always go on the defensive and "try" to protect D* by saying this is not because of the box but bigger problem. This is BS, if TIVO and UTV can do it, why can't they? This is their sat we're talking about here. I don't think it is hard to do for a LOT of things on the wish list but either their programmers are second class ones or their hands are tied.
I am sorry... . it isn't BS... and it isn't a "line"..
The reason TiVo didn't do it another way... is on it's design.
It was designed as a Stand Alone system, and pulled down the entire lineup for a particular service... it had NO ABILITY to detect what channels you where able to receive, and those your were not.... it didn't even have an auto-scann utility... you had to do it yourself.
UTV... Even though it was built for DirecTV... it too was based on different model.... and relied on the user to manual tweek the list.
DirecTV... and their "new" method, has decided to drive it off your actuall programming package (when it is re-enabled)... thus not "requiring" someone to manually tweek a list.
So while you have "lost" the side-effect of being able to filter your master list, to your specific channels you want........
Just because that is the way it was... with the "original" DVRs... doesn't necessary mean some other way is wrong...
So long as you know... they are NOT the same two features, even though they share a name.
And as for your last comment....
The developers.... to say they are second rate, simply because you are not seeing a feature that you want... simply isn't fair..
jahgreen
08-23-07, 02:41 PM
Joe, you hit the nail on the head there with all your posts. Those few here don't think straight when you talk about D* like that. They always go on the defensive and "try" to protect D* by saying this is not because of the box but bigger problem. This is BS, if TIVO and UTV can do it, why can't they? This is their sat we're talking about here. I don't think it is hard to do for a LOT of things on the wish list but either their programmers are second class ones or their hands are tied.
OR . . . . . maybe DirecTV is focusing on those items that it has concluded will maximize its profits. Isn't that what it should be doing?
hoopsbwc34
08-23-07, 02:42 PM
Not to split hairs... but it is not 100%... At least not on the TiVo.
But it is certainly more reliable that what we have now.... and with it's relative easy to implement why are we waiting?
armophob
08-23-07, 02:52 PM
Joe, you hit the nail on the head there with all your posts. Those few here don't think straight when you talk about D* like that. They always go on the defensive and "try" to protect D* by saying this is not because of the box but bigger problem. This is BS, if TIVO and UTV can do it, why can't they? This is their sat we're talking about here. I don't think it is hard to do for a LOT of things on the wish list but either their programmers are second class ones or their hands are tied.
I don't think anyone is trying to protect the largest digital satellite company. They can do a pretty good job on their own. But do you really think that after all of the small requests and wishes that we ask for and they grant, they would not give us this if they could? There is no benefit to not improve performance and alleviate customer frustration. This site has clearly voiced their frustration over this subject and I am sure they spend hours on the solution.
I will jab one punch at the original design team for some of the overlooked problematic design flaws, but to accuse the programmers of being second class is clearly not a positive way to progress in this discussion.;)
I am sorry... . it isn't BS... and it isn't a "line"..
DirecTV... and their "new" method, has decided to drive it off your actuall programming package (when it is re-enabled)... thus not "requiring" someone to manually tweek a list.
I actually like the idea of CIR automatically populating based upon your program package. I just wish we could manually edit the list as a work around until Directv can resolve the CIR technical issues.
I am sorry... . it isn't BS... and it isn't a "line"..
The reason TiVo didn't do it another way... is on it's design.
It was designed as a Stand Alone system, and pulled down the entire lineup for a particular service... it had NO ABILITY to detect what channels you where able to receive, and those your were not.... it didn't even have an auto-scann utility... you had to do it yourself.
UTV... Even though it was built for DirecTV... it too was based on different model.... and relied on the user to manual tweek the list.
DirecTV... and their "new" method, has decided to drive it off your actuall programming package (when it is re-enabled)... thus not "requiring" someone to manually tweek a list.
So while you have "lost" the side-effect of being able to filter your master list, to your specific channels you want........
Just because that is the way it was... with the "original" DVRs... doesn't necessary mean some other way is wrong...
So long as you know... they are NOT the same two features, even though they share a name.
And as for your last comment....
The developers.... to say they are second rate, simply because you are not seeing a feature that you want... simply isn't fair..
As a consumer, do I care if D* implements "new" method? No, I would not. I simply want to have the same features as the one D* replaces. I 'm not saying that I don't like some of the features HR20 brings but a few other things that defines DVR aren't in the box. IMO, CIR is not hard to do, just filter out the ones that customer can't receive (based on error code). This only needs to do once in a while. Even when I specifically block them, I still see those show up in search.
About the white interface, while it is nice but it's not neccessary since there are lot of other improvements need to be taken care of. I just don't understand their priority.
About the last comment, it's most likely that their hands are tied...
OR . . . . . maybe DirecTV is focusing on those items that it has concluded will maximize its profits. Isn't that what it should be doing?
That's a wrong business model. They should be focusing on their customers and profit will follow. Without customers, no business will survive...
cygnusloop
08-23-07, 03:08 PM
I want BOTH. I think the automatic CIR is a pretty cool idea. I look forward to it coming back online. But, I also want to be able to specify which list the HR20 should use for a search or autorecord; CIR, Custom 1, or Custom 2. Just like I can with the guide. IMHO, isn't the same as applying a filter like HDTV channels or Family & Kids Channels. Yeah, I know this is nothing new, and I look forward to CIR being fixed so we can move the discussion forward.
I don't think anyone is trying to protect the largest digital satellite company. They can do a pretty good job on their own. But do you really think that after all of the small requests and wishes that we ask for and they grant, they would not give us this if they could? There is no benefit to not improve performance and alleviate customer frustration. This site has clearly voiced their frustration over this subject and I am sure they spend hours on the solution.
I will jab one punch at the original design team for some of the overlooked problematic design flaws, but to accuse the programmers of being second class is clearly not a positive way to progress in this discussion.;)
I agreed. My apologies for the last comments. I guess it is out of anger and frustrations...
Earl Bonovich
08-23-07, 03:18 PM
That's a wrong business model. They should be focusing on their customers and profit will follow. Without customers, no business will survive...
What if by chance.... that a manual-filtered list, isn't the "killer" feature that is make or break for a massive portion of a customer base..
But that other application/feature... could be?
hoopsbwc34
08-23-07, 03:25 PM
What if by chance.... that a manual-filtered list, isn't the "killer" feature that is make or break for a massive portion of a customer base..
But that other application/feature... could be?
So Earl, does this problem just not bother you?? Or are you just trying to be the voice of reason?
bonscott87
08-23-07, 03:29 PM
Once they fix CIR that will be great.
But we still *need* to be able to run an autorecord search off a user editable list. With just CIR it makes recording sports useless. A Red Wings game could be on 2-3 different channels, only one of which I care about (let alone the other will be blacked out). If the autorecord will just choose the lowest channel number or something then it's useless to me. I need to be able to go and deselect every single sport pack channel I get because the only one I want it to record from is mine (even though I get them all with premier package).
Earl Bonovich
08-23-07, 03:39 PM
So Earl, does this problem just not bother you?? Or are you just trying to be the voice of reason?
Both...
In 7+ years of using a DVR... I have never found a particular usage for auto-records by a search keyword. It has never really worked for things I wanted it go for... I found my self deleting more junk (and that was with a filtered list), then actuall things I wanted to watch.
And for searches, I have had DirecTV for so long, I can tell by the channel numbers if I receive the channel or not.
So yes... it doesn't bother me...
I am not one to record sports... If I can't watch it live, or with in an hour of the start (aka I know I am going to be late.. and set it up to record before hand)...
I just don't do it... with the radio, internet, cell phone, and so many other places to "mess up" the outcome for me... I just don't bother. I also don't want to invest 3 hours in watching a recorded game, just to find out the "blow" it at the end or something of that frustration level.
But on the flip side... as a voice of reason...
I am not alone, in thinking that "manual-filtered" control lists, may not have as big of an impact on customers as some of the other things they are working on.
islesfan
08-23-07, 03:48 PM
I actually like the idea of CIR automatically populating based upon your program package. I just wish we could manually edit the list as a work around until Directv can resolve the CIR technical issues.
This is all I've been asking for for almost a year now. To me, it seems so simple. If Earl or someone else I trust can give me a good reason (like a programming problem) as to why we cannot have this as a temporary fix, I would stop complaining. So far, it seems that the reason they won't do it is because they won't do it.
I have noted before, but I'll remind here, that one of the only reasons I have been given for them not implementing this as a stop gap procedure is that they don't want to have to train the CSR's on the new procedure, then re-train them on the old one when it works. This isn't a problem since the CSR's already think we can manually edit the CIR. One tried to send me a new HR20 when I explained that I could not un check the boxes as she talked me through it. Since it is a systemwide problem, somehow I don't think a new box would have helped. (Some might add here some surprise at the notion that D* is training their CSR's) :D
Earl Bonovich
08-23-07, 03:55 PM
This is all I've been asking for for almost a year now. To me, it seems so simple. If Earl or someone else I trust can give me a good reason (like a programming problem) as to why we cannot have this as a temporary fix, I would stop complaining. So far, it seems that the reason they won't do it is because they won't do it.
Really because... there is no such thing as a "temporary fix"...
Actually... the current "situation" is in fact the "temporary fix".... they disabled the feature, while it can be fixed properly....
As for a "hack", to allow people to filter the lists manually... and maintain that list.... that is not a "temporary fix", and something that would have to be developed... tested... put in... and then explained later on why it is no longer available, when the planned feature is complete and ready.
islesfan
08-23-07, 03:57 PM
Both...
In 7+ years of using a DVR... I have never found a particular usage for auto-records by a search keyword. It has never really worked for things I wanted it go for... I found my self deleting more junk (and that was with a filtered list), then actuall things I wanted to watch.
Earl, I had my TiVo from 2001 until a few months ago. In that time, I had one wishlist. It was Islanders-Sports-Hockey. It NEVER missed a game. I NEVER had a recording that was not of an Islanders game (under that wishlist). I too do not like to watch games the next day, but I get home from work around 5, and the games start at 4. Assuming I run past my family, drop my briefcase, and turn the TV on immediately, I can still only catch the second and third periods. That's why I got a DVR in the first place.
Now, I can manually set the recordings, but as we all know with the sports packages, that channel is likely to change between when I set the recording and when I get home. As a result, I still miss the first period. With a wishlist or autorecord, if the channel changes, no problem, as the TiVo keeps up. The HR20 does not.
Quite honestly, this is the only gripe I still have with this machine. The Media Center often drops out after a week without a reset, and it tends to super stretch the crop mode, again after about a week without a reset, but the other major problems are all gone now. This is the last big one left, and I would really like a fix by October 5th!
P.S. Sotty to bring up the "T" word, but CIR is the only place left where the TiVO out performs the HR20. I now much prefer the 20 to the TiVo, except in sports recording reliability.
islesfan
08-23-07, 03:59 PM
Really because... there is no such thing as a "temporary fix"...
Actually... the current "situation" is in fact the "temporary fix".... they disabled the feature, while it can be fixed properly....
As for a "hack", to allow people to filter the lists manually... and maintain that list.... that is not a "temporary fix", and something that would have to be developed... tested... put in... and then explained later on why it is no longer available, when the planned feature is complete and ready.
Even just keying the searches/autorecords to a favorites list rather than CIR would do it. And the best part is you would not have to disable it when the CIR issue is finally fixed.
What if by chance.... that a manual-filtered list, isn't the "killer" feature that is make or break for a massive portion of a customer base..
But that other application/feature... could be?
Earl,
The same could be said for the "killer" aspects of white menus.
If they don't want to give us a favorites list that really works (auto record and search) they could at least give us the Parental Block that works.
I called DTV about this a year ago when I first purchased my receiver. They apologized, said they were aware of the problem and were working on it. They gave me some free channels for a while for compensation.
Fast forward 1 year to today. The problem is still present. My autorecord shows are getting recorded on the east coast channel that I do not receive (therefore, I don't get the shows recorded). I called to ask about the status and DTV says they are not aware of the problem. They have no evidence of the problem and have never heard about it.
They asked for me to (hold on to your seats) reset my receiver. And they wanted to swap out the receiver. OMG.
I asked to speak with the supervisor, and the supervisor "was busy" and would call me back later. Unbelievable.
michael-reilly
09-10-07, 09:01 PM
As it is now, even TiVo (and UTV) would record the wrong channels if there wasn't some manual intervention.TiVo is wel know for this. It has been a major problem since day one. My UTV's (I have 3 currently) have never had this problem that I could see. Perhaps I have been lucky never ran into it. FWIW - I agree with previous posts describing the UTV as the best user interface on a DVR to date. That is why my wife and I still have ours in spite of DirecTV's efforts for entice us to stop using them.
gully_foyle
09-10-07, 10:55 PM
A very simple way to accomplish this would be to ignore guide data for blocked channels. This has been done before and does work. There are of course at least two definitions of CIR. The direction DirecTV is headed this means all authorized channels... which is their way of continuing to force unwanted information on the customer. What I'm sure most end users mean by CIR is what's shown on their Favorites. For example I block all shopping and ethnic channels and do not want CIR to include any data contained on blocked channels.
To say this is complicated is nonsense. Like trying to justify playing with guide colors is more important than basic features... doesn't hold water.
-Joe
You neglect to point out that channels that are NOT authorized are also sometimes included in CIR. For example the national PBS feed will show up in searches, yet may not be authorized (it isn't for me, yet the HR20 happily recored an hour of D* message).
CIR should be channels-I-want-to-know-about, not channels D* has available. "Favorites" is the list for casual surfing, which may not include some channels I want info on.
mendels
09-11-07, 12:40 AM
I just got my Hr-20 today and was trying to figure out how it works relative to my Tivo. My Channels I Receive list has all the channels in it and is not able to be changed. When you create any sort of keyword list to record, it grabs from channels that you don't receive. After reading this thread, I assume there is nothing you can do about this? That seems like a huge issue that should be fixed. At least with the Tivo you could filter out the channels that you don't receive. It didn't fix the blackout issues, but at least it worked 95% of the time. That seems ridiculous that you can't edit the list. Why would it be hard to implement what the Tivo is doing?
FlyBono24
09-11-07, 01:29 AM
I didn't know what you guys were talking about because I always have my Custom Favorites filter on... but that's true, when I switch to the "CIR" filter, there are quite a few channels that I DON'T receive, which I assumed was the point of having the damn thing in the first place!! :lol:
I didn't know what you guys were talking about because I always have my Custom Favorites filter on... but that's true, when I switch to the "CIR" filter, there are quite a few channels that I DON'T receive, which I assumed was the point of having the damn thing in the first place!! :lol:
Fly,
The custom favorites list is ignored by the HR20 when you do a search. It will search ALL of the channels on the box.
FlyBono24
09-11-07, 05:46 AM
Fly,
The custom favorites list is ignored by the HR20 when you do a search. It will search ALL of the channels on the box.
Oh, okay... well I usually search for shows that are only on one channel, but I can see how this could be a problem for people. And yeah, it should be fixed!
Stuart Sweet
09-11-07, 07:32 AM
I've had my own little rant about CIR, so I can't pretend to be neutral about it. I do think it's a big big deal. But I understand now some of the reasons why it took so long to fix, why it was more complicated that you'd think...
and I'm also telling you that we're close to the finish line.
Manual filtering would be nice, yes. I'd say keep the fire burning on that one if you want... make sure your wish list survey is updated. Search by favorites would be the best way to implement that IMO.
In the meantime, I haven't set an autorecord in over a year because of the issue, and I probably would have, especially in the summer. But the summer's over, and we're moving forward.
After this past weekend, I realize that the CIR is not that important a fix for me anymore. MUCH more important is to get DLB operational. Both I and the wife miss that feature a lot when switching between football games or a game and another show that we have switched to to kill time during commercials during the game.
SIGH!!
puffnstuff
09-11-07, 09:28 AM
I've had my own little rant about CIR, so I can't pretend to be neutral about it. I do think it's a big big deal. But I understand now some of the reasons why it took so long to fix, why it was more complicated that you'd think...
and I'm also telling you that we're close to the finish line.
Manual filtering would be nice, yes. I'd say keep the fire burning on that one if you want... make sure your wish list survey is updated. Search by favorites would be the best way to implement that IMO.
In the meantime, I haven't set an autorecord in over a year because of the issue, and I probably would have, especially in the summer. But the summer's over, and we're moving forward.
How far away is this finish line ? We have been hearing it is close for months now :)
bonscott87
09-11-07, 11:39 AM
How far away is this finish line ? We have been hearing it is close for months now :)
Well, an update to the UTV's is rolling out and that platform has been "dead" for nearly 5 years. Basically, as Earl has pointed out, the problem is not with the HR20 or R15, it's with older receivers that choke on the new data stream needed to make CIR work. Note there was also a recent update to the DirecTivo's.
Just my tin foil hat and putting 2 and 2 together but I'd guess once those updates have run their course that the CIR may be turned on.
Then we can hammer DirecTV to enable searching on a custom channel list vs. CIR. ;)
Tony Chick
09-11-07, 11:42 AM
One thing the HR20 programmers could do is to give us a "Scan" function. This would operate much like a cable tv autoscan and physically change to each channel and see if it is active, then create a "Scanned" favorites list from the result. Of course, if they don't also fix the search to only operate within the current list it's still of limited use.
On a side-topic, I'd also like to see PIG while in the favorites edit list, I don't remember all the channel numbers by heart.
michael-reilly
09-11-07, 12:23 PM
Well, an update to the UTV's is rolling out and that platform has been "dead" for nearly 5 years.If this is true what are they trying to do? Mine have worked perfectly since the last update (probably close to 5 years ago). I even missed the fiasco where DirecTV screwed up the satellite data feed and broke the UTV if you reinstalled the SW. I wonder if I can decline the update.
bonscott87
09-11-07, 12:41 PM
If this is true what are they trying to do? Mine have worked perfectly since the last update (probably close to 5 years ago). I even missed the fiasco where DirecTV screwed up the satellite data feed and broke the UTV if you reinstalled the SW. I wonder if I can decline the update.
There is a UTV forum over at AVS. They've been talking about the software update for a couple weeks now.
islesfan
09-11-07, 03:50 PM
OK, so if and when the CIR issue is fixed, will it just start working on the HR20s or will there be a software update needed to accomodate it?
lucky13
09-11-07, 04:10 PM
Earl, I had my TiVo from 2001 until a few months ago. In that time, I had one wishlist. It was Islanders-Sports-Hockey. It NEVER missed a game. I NEVER had a recording that was not of an Islanders game (under that wishlist). I too do not like to watch games the next day, but I get home from work around 5, and the games start at 4. Assuming I run past my family, drop my briefcase, and turn the TV on immediately, I can still only catch the second and third periods. That's why I got a DVR in the first place.
Now, I can manually set the recordings, but as we all know with the sports packages, that channel is likely to change between when I set the recording and when I get home. As a result, I still miss the first period. With a wishlist or autorecord, if the channel changes, no problem, as the TiVo keeps up. The HR20 does not.
Isles, I do hope DTV fixes CIR soon, as it's obviously important to so many posters here.
As I have frequently posted, I've had Search problems all season with Extra Innings broadcasts not consistently showing up in the Search results. (Mets/Sports/Baseball)
I don't want an autorecord, because the preferred station is always changing--HD if available, EI, ESPN, local broadcast or local RSN. Any number of these could be blacked out, so I don't want to rely on autorecord. I just want a compact list of upcoming games on all channels, and manually select the appropriate channel. Doing this 1 or 2x a week should be sufficient. In practice, I'd review the scheduled recordings nearly every day.
Since the Search results won't show the EI channels consistently, I have to find them in the Guide or Mini-Guide. This is an effective work-around, but not as efficient as a functional search would be.
When the NHL starts, I will try to see if Center Ice properly populates the search results. (I figure ISL/Sports/Hockey would cover listings for Isles and Islanders.)
Stuart Sweet
09-11-07, 04:15 PM
It will just work.
mendels
09-11-07, 05:24 PM
So what is the best way to tape sports? If I want to set it up to tape every game for a particular team, is that even possible? Or do I have to manually record every game I want to see?
litzdog911
09-11-07, 05:33 PM
So what is the best way to tape sports? If I want to set it up to tape every game for a particular team, is that even possible? Or do I have to manually record every game I want to see?
It's a pain right now, unless your willing to put up with "blank" recordings of sports broadcasts that you don't really receive. If you stick with manual recordings from the channels you receive you'll be fine.
For anyone who wants to set up an Autorecord, always remember that you can look at your To Do list BEFORE any recordings are actually made, and you can cancel any scheduled recordings if the autorecord series link found a match on a channel you didn't want.
Try it out - canceling a scheduled recording is simple - just press STOP on the program in the To Do list. If you find you are canceling WAY to many scheduled recordings, try to refine your search criteria (add a category and subcategory, maybe?).
If that still doesn't work, you just have to resort to manually scheduling recordings until CIR is fixed ...
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