Louisville, KY, Omaha, NE, Spokane, WA

[Darkman]

the rumors are those 3 are in place now (uplinked) and more likely will go to subscribers some time in the future...

[Eyedox]

OMAHA would be great ... I have a lot of family there that have DISH and would love to finally get their locals. Anyone know how reliable this lead is?

[Darkman]

if you might have noticed - all my rumors prove to be reliable
(more likely) :)

[TNGTony]

Reliable. I got detailed info from an anonymous source. This source has been right about just about everything he or she has sent me.

See ya
Tony

[firephoto]

Sounds good to me!

Since Spokane are my local stations this could mean some better pics on the locals. :D

Off the air signal isn't the best here, tranlator is on a 5500 foot mountain about 12 miles away and it isn't exactly the cleanest rf place in the world. Great view up there though, I've helped with some work with the local TV district in the past.

Will these be on 110 or 119 if they come to exist?

Tom

[TNGTony]

The stations are already uplinked. All the cities are at 110°.

See http://www.dishchannelchart.com

See ya
Tony

[Darkman]

Tony - with the exeption of one local station (one station from one of those 3 markets) ( that will be at 148 - according to your chart :) )

[JOprandi]

Will DISH ever get Columbus?????

GO BUCKS!

[johnsmith22]

Perhaps Tony's anonimous source has some information on what is going to be done about the channels presently on 110 transponders 22-31 to make them receivable in Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands.

[pbrown]

RE: Spokane- I work at one of the Spokane stations... I'm pretty sure that two of the stations here are holding out for more $$ from dish, so even though they have all the stations listed, I don't think we'll end up with all of them right away. At least we'll get the rest, though!

[wrate]

johnsmith22,

My question exactly.

[gpflepsen]

When???

[pbrown]

Can anyone tell us when we can expect Spokane to be available for subscription?

[Darkman]

my guess is they might say something about those markets on the next charlie's chat..
Which is coming up soon

[adsman]

Thank god, finally Louisville, KY

[Touchdown Kentucky]

Hey Adsman or anyone, when will Louisville be available? I e-mailed DISH and they said that no tentative date has been set for Louisville, and realy would not even acknowledge that Louisville will be added at all! Aggravating! Anyone know when we can subscribe to Louisville locals. Need some inside info here. I live in Southeastern Kentucky, but I will be "moving" to Louisville when the locals become available...strange coincidence isnt it? :-)
Please respond...
Touchdown Kentucky

[adsman]

Touchdown Kentucky,

I really don't have any clue when it will happen. Did you see this link.. http://www.dishchannelchart.com if you scroll almost to the end you can see where the louisville locals are upliked...so who knows how long. I sure don't. I have to rely on the good people on here with a little inside info...

[TNGTony]

TDKY,

If and when the Louisville channels go up, before you "move", make sure you can receive transponder 4 from the 110° satellite. If you don't, you won't be able to receive these channels. As to launch date, all I know is they want to have them up before the end of the year. However WAVE may have other ideas.

See ya
Tony

[adsman]

what is the deal with wave??? That figures...they carry the feeds for the UK b-ball games that are on uktv. My antenna feed is horrible....

[Touchdown Kentucky]

Tony: Thanks for the info. So, How do I go about making sure I can receive the Louiosville satellite and transponder before I "move"? Please help. Also, have you heard a rumor or anything that WAVE-TV might be causing some sort of a delay in the locals? Just curious. You are a wealth of information!! Hope the channels are on soon so I can move. :-)
Thanks again!!
TDKY

Also, ADSMAN...any further news on the situation or dates from Louisville?

[adsman]

I have no clue TDKY

[TNGTony]

TDKY,

Tok check to see if you get signal form transponder 4 at 110 press "Menu"+6+1+1 on your remote (most receivers). This will take you to the dish pointing screen. It will show you a satellite and transponder as well as signal strength. Change the settings in that screen until you have the 110 satellite and transponder 4 selected on the receiver. If you can "see" transponder 4 (get a good signal), you'll be able to see the louisville locals when they become available (after you "move").

See ya
Tony

[Darkman]

Tony,
lol - but why would not he be able to get that specific TP, expecially if/when he moves to Louisville? :)

I d think, that by being right in the city of Local market, supported by Dish would secure one's chances on getting that particular Spot beam's tp?

[TNGTony]

Err....um....yeah...sure :) Why didn't I think of that?

See ya
Tony

[adsman]

any new info on this??

[firephoto]

Charlie chat says these Spokane ch. available December 12.
KXLY ABC 4
KREM CBS 2
KSKN WB 22
KSPS PBS 7

That leaves KHQ (nbc) and the FOX channel still wanting more $$ i guess. Any ideas when KHQ might be on Patrick?

Tom

[pbrown]

Tom-

The following opinion is my own and not neccesarily that of my employer. That being said, I believe KHQ may strike a deal soon, possibly by thursday in time for the launch. I have no idea about KAYU, but I'd be surprised if they held out too long.

[pbrown]

Good News! KHQ came through with an 11th hour deal, so NBC-Spokane will be represented in the Spokane Locals. Now the only one holding out is KAYU, and from what I understand all the dealers in town are telling customers to call them and complain... they shouldn't hold out too long.

[firephoto]

Great News! KHQ is a very good channel, and now I'll have some better pq too. Now KAYU needs to just put off some of those "business trips" and they won't need the extra dollars they are trying to get. (might hurt a few golf games though) :)
Now just to wait to see what tomorrow, the 12th, brings. Hopefully a simple call and quick results. My luck it will be the on hold forever with terrible music or something and then a "soon" answer. lol

Tom

snow snow snow snow :(

[pbrown]

Tom- I just tried calling at 12:45 am Thursday. Yeah, I'm excited. Anyway, I think I just confused the CSR. "Yeah, it is Thursday the 12th right now, but we aren't signing people up until the DAY of Thursday the 12th...." was what I heard. Oh well, I'll try calling when I wake up. Its like a second christmas!

[Darkman]

hehe - glad you're happy :)

[firephoto]

I called dish and about 7 minutes later had the Spokane locals added to my account. Now the only snow is outside on the ground and not on the TV. All I need to do now is get motivated and dump some shows off the PVR to the computer so I have a little extra room on my 508.

Tom
A Very Happy Dish Network Customer (free showtime or HBO for xmas would be great Charlie. :D hehe)

[adsman]

any word on Louisville???

[Eyedox]

No definite date set yet for OMAHA I take it?

[AFH]

All of you Louisville and Omaha people stop asking when your locals are coming! Dish will eventually get around to your respective dmas. Check back in late 2004. By then you to will have compress until you can compress no more lil.

[monkeycrap]

Omaha will be coming, just haven't heard quite when that will be. Cedar Rapids is also supposed to be on before January 1 of 2003, Dish is in the process of obtaining retransmission consent from both markets now. I do know that at least one Cedar Rapids station had not reached an agreement as of two weeks ago.

[adsman]

Originally posted by AFH
All of you Louisville and Omaha people stop asking when your locals are coming! Dish will eventually get around to your respective dmas. Check back in late 2004. By then you to will have compress until you can compress no more lil.

you know if you have such a problem with us asking then don't read the thread...you give no useful input on the situation...

[AFH]

Adsman I was just kidding with you guys. I hope that Louisville and Omaha get their respective locals soon. I know how great it is to have lil when you haven't had it. Good look to you guys.

[adsman]

Originally posted by AFH
Adsman I was just kidding with you guys. I hope that Louisville and Omaha get their respective locals soon. I know how great it is to have lil when you haven't had it. Good look to you guys.

Sorry dude... anyway just got this email back from GM of one of the stations..


It's true. It is my understanding that they will launch local stations next
week.

Bill Lamb
General Manager
WDRB-TV/WFTE-TV

[Touchdown Kentucky]

Adsman:
Thanks for the heads up, WBKI also says they expect the Louisville locals to be on next week (Dec. 16-21). Any more news on this? Tony? Anyone?
TD KY

[Darkman]

ahaha,
"Next week" mean Next week :)
"Any more news on this?" - what more do you really need/want now but just sit back, relax and wait patiently... - Next week starts tomorrow already :)
hehe - i detect anxiety though in your voice: "Tony? Any1"
Sorry no offense was intended - just sounded kinda funny to me, so i am making a joke.

P.S. BTW - Tony might be "Transponder Chart God", but - lol - he is not "THE" God :)

[adsman]

actually next weeks starts on sunday... :-)

[Darkman]

hehe - so there you go - Even better - it DID start already :)

but after all - he did have "16th date" for Next week in the above post :)

[adsman]

hehe, didn't notice that...16-21 :)

[Darkman]

hehe, i did :)

[MarkA]

Anyone have any idea on when the Missoula, MT DMA might be added? I sure wish DBS had the same rules as cable... Cable here has some of the Spokane locals.

[TNGTony]

Sorry folks...no new information on any locals. Last I heard, WAVE and Dish were "very close" and Dish would launch without WAVE if it had to. The last word was "before the end of the year".

Technically, they are ready to launch tomorrow (mentioned last Tuesday). They are still tweaking. But everything is set.

See ya
Tony

[Touchdown Kentucky]

Thanks Tony & Adsman, please keep us posted if theyu launch this week....
Thanks!
Touchdown kentucky

[Touchdown Kentucky]

Hey guys, here is a response that I got today from WDRB FOX (Louisville). Doesnt sound too good, can anyone shed some light...

While I feel certain that the day that all stations in the Louisville
market will be carried by the Dish network is not far off, I would
caution you that assurances being given by several Dish dealers in the
area that such a thing is "definitely" going to happen in the next few
weeks or by a specific date are premature at best and dishonest at
worst.

All parties involved are working to see that this does happen -- and let
me say that, should EVERYTHING suddenly fall into place, it actually
COULD happen extremely soon -- but I would feel as if I were misleading
you if I gave you any kind of guarantee as to a particular date.

Believe me -- when it DOES happen, that fact will be highly publicized.

Sorry I can't be more reassuring, but I do thank you very much for your
interest.

Sincerely,

* * *
Director, Marketing, Research and Publicity
WDRB Fox 41 / WFTE Great 58

[Touchdown Kentucky]

Hey guys: Just got an e-mail from a TV station in Louisville saying that DISH had issued the official advisory and that local into local service for Louisville would start on December 19th at 6:00 AM!!
Woohoo!! Tony, how long do I need tow ait before I "move" to Louisville? Can I move Wednesday or Thursday??
TD KY

[Darkman]

TK dude,
LOL - why not drop it already,
This "chit" supposed to be kinda "secret" anyhow, but you keep on pushing and pushing...
You will not make it happen, it will just happens when it happens...

"While I feel certain that the day that all stations in the Louisville
market will be carried by the Dish network is not far off, I would
caution you that assurances being given by several Dish dealers in the
area that such a thing is "definitely" going to happen in the next few
weeks or by a specific date are premature at best and dishonest at
worst." - see He is right in covering his behind here, - he is saying "ALL the stations in local", at the same time he is correct to not know specific date...Often some stations hold out...and he is only at Fox anyhow looks like....
So why press it..you asked few times..you ve been given some estimates...i d just sit back and relax now...They d show up when they d show up, it is really beyond your control...Unless publically announced - no specific date...
You must have those locals now..or put some Antenna and get them for fre for now until they show up :)
TV, locals - is not the end of the world or everything in Life..
Actually the guy in this letter - didn't tell you "a word" that you haven't already known...
if the privious reports about them coming this week are correct, then you actually know more then him or more then he is willing to reveal...
Like do not get me wrong - there is nothing wrong to call and write letters, etc...but you just seem to be going that "extra mile",
Just slow down a bit...
You are stepping into their territory..Things like this are mostly kept out of public (for negotiating purposes, etc).. - I am actually starting to regret starting this thread and providing the info i provided..
All i said was "those few local markets were uplinked (or rumoured to be uplinked)...All that means is that Dish is getting them in place in ready to be launched sometime soon to the subscribers....nothing more nothing less....Of course that should be taken in as a Positive sign...But until any date is given OFFICIALLY to the public..Dish can reserve the right to keep them there "on hold", unavailable to general public Forever!

Nice to see your Enthusiasm, but just slow down a BIT :)

[EDIT]: there you go - you got official response with a date now...
not to say that all stations in the market will become available..i do not know the situation, but maybe some are in negotiation or something..
In any case, congrats...

P.S. - See, privious reports that those locals will become available this week were accurate and correct anyhow :)

[Darkman]

TK - actually sorry there,
Sometimes i got a "short fuse" :)

[Touchdown Kentucky]

Darkman:
Didnt mean to set you off (kidding). I do tend to go overboard on stuff....obsessive compulsive I think. After the Louisville locals come one I will move on to something else to work on, desire, and long for...it si my nature :-)
TD KY

[TNGTony]

December 19th is it the date I got as well, however there is still a problem with at least one of the major networks. WAVE keeps getting thrown in, but I think that has been ironed out.

See ya
Tony

[jhall]

I would caution against a sudden move that happens to coinside with the LIL announcement, especially if it isn't accompanied with a dish mover request. Before moving, it might be an idea to check with local networks to see if they will authorize a waver. But if you do this and attempt negotiations with E*, be sure your move is believable. Were I in your position, and if I would choose to follow your course of action, I would wait a month, possibly two. If you have corresponded with E* on the subject, be aware that is logged, and probably recorded (if phone) and filed, if electronic or postal mail.
just my $0.02, feel free to do what you want.

[Darkman]

jhall - nice to see you again :)
i haven't seen you around for a while :)

[Touchdown Kentucky]

JHall, I had e-mailed them a few weeks ago and let them know that we were planning on moving to Louisville, and she e-mailed me back and told me to just let them know when. Thoughts? I was hoping to do the whole thing over the net, make the address change, and then go online and activate the locals myself from the account center. I appreciate any advice you guys can give on this. I need the louisville locals bad :-) One more question for Tony, JHall, Darkman, Adsman, or anyone...if these channels are gonna be available tomorrow (the 19th), shouldnt there have been some promotion of that today in the Lou. media?
TD KY

[moscott]

Touchdown,
There is an article in todays CJ Business section announcing
the local channels will be available tomorrow.

[Touchdown Kentucky]

Moscott: Does it mention if ALL the major networks would be available? Have heard that WAVE might eb holding out. Hey is there any chance that every network might be on board by tomorrow? I hope so!! Any hope at all Tony?
TD KY

[TNGTony]

They are still talking. Last I heard, they were close on a deal, but haven't quite inked the deal. According to annother source, all the channels listed in the chart (www.dishchannelchart.com) EXCEPT WAVE3 are packaged up and ready for subscribers. (6am before the CSRs can actually do this) WAVE 3 is still being held back though it is uplinked and ready to be added to subscriber's packages at a moment's notice.

See ya
Tony

[Touchdown Kentucky]

Tony:
Thanks! I hope they pull off a last minute deal for WAVE. Also, you mentioned 6AM, is that 6AM easrtern (louisville time)?
Thanks
TD KY

[Darkman]

Man - you are unreal - just go to sleep - you ll wake up - and it will be more likely after 6 am (any time or close to it)

[JohnH]

Louisville is up on AddressBroker.
WAVE (NBC) is not listed.

[ts937km]

I live in Louisville and I have my locals now... I now have everything but WAVE! And my NBC Waiver has been faxed in so I can get east-west coast feeds,

[Darkman]

hehe - congrats People :)

[George312]

Watched a report on WAVE3 tonight they say that Dish isoffering them 7.5 cents per sub and since they charge subs a dollar they think thats not enough but they are still talking.

[TNGTony]

What a bunch of CRAP!!!!

Dish should say, fine...We'll give you a DOLLAR a subscriber, but now you must provide fiber to the POP, pay for you share of the POP, backhaul, uplink and lost oportunity costs! I bet it's more than a dollar a sub!

I've said it before and I'll say it again, charging for some one to distribure your signal to YOUR area is CRIMINAL!

BTW using the 7.5¢ logic, no one here should EVER buy a $1 fountain pop (soda) again. You know how much money it costs the distributor? Lets put it this way...the cup costs WAY more.

See ya
Tony

[bryan27]

Tony, I agree with you on that one! WAVE has also overlooked the fact that there are 7 locals. At 5.99 that's 85 cents per sub not a DOLLAR! They actually want 15 cents more than what E* charges per channel!!!

This is nothing but greed. I bet not one cable company in the Louisville market pays more than a few cents for WAVE, if they pay anything at all. What E* should do is say fine have it your way we just won't carry you, lets us know if you want on in three years.

[George312]

Tony the way i put it may have misled you.What WAVE says is since Dish charges us a dollar they think they should get more than 7.5 cents per sub i did not mean that WAVE was asking for a dollar per sub. Sorry if i confused you.

[Darkman]

hehe,
Retailer Chat i think is tomorrow btw :)

[TNGTony]

George... Thanks, but I did understand what you meant. WAVE wants more than the 7.5¢ Dish is offering. WAVE says that Dish charges subs a dollar for the channel.

What I was saying was fine...we'll give you what we charge (not that they do, but just for argument's sake) but then you pay all the costs associated with putting the channel on the satellite down to the marketing.

The point I made with the pop comment in my previous statement was to illustrate that just because something costs the consumer a dollar doesn't mean that the cost of the product is a dollar...or anything even close.

Anyway....I still think that all stations that refuse retransmission consent to their own area's viewers they should have their licenses revolked THAT INSTANT for refusing to serve the public they were entrusted to serve with FREEEEEEEEE (and finite) bandwidth.

See ya
Tony

[jhall]

My understanding is the small fee authorized by the FCC is intended to cover the DBS operator's costs associated with retransmission. WJLA, WUSA, WRC, WTTG, WBDC, WDCA, WETA, WNVC, WHUT, and WNVT don't receive any money from me if I put up an antenna, but they do (I think) from cable companies in the area. Media General created a big mess when they refused to carry WTTG. Their story was that Merdock was requiring Fox News to be part of their lineup. So if all the station need do is provide board outs, that's a pretty big kickback for 4 ports on a board.
Out of curiosity, do these 10 channels feed to a common hub, then share a longhall circuit back to the uplink site? Is that uplink placed in a neutral place or conveniently located near somebody's gigapop? If it's at an equinix facility, costs can go up there.
Then there's the uplink equipment, surely the stations don't have to buy that. But what doesn't make sense to me is
Once the initial equipment is paid for, besides circuit costs, what reoccurring costs exist?

[Touchdown Kentucky]

Surely WAVe will come to their senses and get on board. Their public position right now is that they are still negotiating. If they get enough public pressure and ridicule, then maybe they eill accept the DISH offer.
TD KY

[bryan27]

jhall, WETA, WNVC, WHUT, & WNVT are all NCE stations they don't receive any money from Cable or DBS carriage. NCE stations can only ask for must carry, they aren't permitted to ask for retransmission concent.

All stations in an LIL market feed their signal to the local POP. This can be via fiber, OTA, microwave, etc... At the POP the signals are combined and sent to the uplink center either with a fiber connection or in some cases sent via satellite to the uplink center, either the one in Wyoming or the one in Arizona where they are uplinked to the DBS satellite.

Some other recurring costs would be rental of the local POP (the providers don't own the POPs) and an engineer at the POP. Occasional costs would involve equiptment replacement (nothing lasts forever).

[Touchdown Kentucky]

Surely WAVe will come to their senses and get on board. Their public position right now is that they are still negotiating. If they get enough public pressure and ridicule, then maybe they eill accept the DISH offer.

[Darkman]

regardless,
as we know from the past, those Disputes might take long long time...Some go Forever :(
Some are resolved quickly though..
So hard to say...

[Touchdown Kentucky]

WAVE 3 in Louisville claims that they are still talking to DISH and hope to be able to work something out. Any further news on this?
TD KY

[jch464]

So Touchdown Kentucky how do you "move"? I too live in southeast ky and would like to "move"

[bryan27]

Let's not start that again :) jch464, just go up, press search, and look. It's been discussed many times.

[Eyedox]

WOI-TV (ABC Des Moines) is STILL screwing around and refusing to sign a contract with DISH. They were even given a better contract to consider which they immediately rejected. WOI has a bunch of lawyers on retainer which means that they will probably drag this crap on for years, and continue to whine about how big bad DISH network is so mean to them.

[Darkman]

In case any1 still interested in Omaha,
it was announced on Charlie Chat that Omaha is coming to subs on Jan 16/2003

[Darkman]

Just a reminder for the Omaha people:

Today, Jan 16/2003 - they are available to the Subscribers (as per last Charlie Chat)

If/when someone subscribes and gets them - Please report to us how is everything, - the picture quality, etc....

[Eyedox]

What channels are still RETRANS DISPUTE with OMAHA?

[TNGTony]

NBC, Fox and WB. These are Pappas and Gray owned TV stations.

See ya
Tony

[Boompod]

I have the Omaha Locals and they look great to me. I am very pleased with the picture quality. I live about 30 miles away so they never did come in very clear OTA. I just wish we had the other three channels (WOWT 6 - NBC, KXVO 15 - WB, AND KPTM 42 - FOX).

My Location shows Lincoln but I actually live between Omaha and Lincoln in Omaha's DMA.