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#3339195 103CB Signals Dead

Posted by Gary Toma on 20 February 2015 - 01:36 PM

The Morning-After report:


In a few minutes I will post an updated TPN Map in the TPN Map Thread   (from Doctor J as of 0800 [PST]  this morning).  We have a new landscape today.  In the CONUS tab, I have highlighted in ugly yellow, the 40 HD channels now being provided by D14.  In the LIL tab there are some 33 instances of LIL virtual channels being provided by D14.  There certainly will be many more changes to come.


We now know for certain that D10 was not  a contributor, along with D12, in poviding any of the 103S channels.


I am most impressed that in a period of perhaps 5 hours yesterday afternoon, Engineering could fire up 7 D14 tpns and manage this migration of 40 HD channels.  These people deserve a tremendous amount of credit.


Another huge accolade is due:  the work, time, expertise and insight that KyL416 provided in this thread providing a play-by-play account, --in real-time-- as yesterday's catastrophe was unfolding was magnificent.  KyL416 - that sound you hear is applause.  Thanks.

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#3061556 Transponder Maps: Domestic & DLA ~ Data Refresh 4/22/2015

Posted by Gary Toma on 26 December 2012 - 04:47 PM

Directv Transponder Map For Satellites

@ 95W: G3C, DLA1

@ 99W: SW2, D11, D14

@101W: D4S, D8, D9S

@103W: SW1, D10, D12, [ D15 ]

@110W: D5

@119W: D7S


MPEG4 channels are identified by Blue shading; these typically are HD channels. However, a small number of SD and Audio-Only channels use MPEG4 compression.

MPEG4-Only DMAs are identified by Blue shading in the 'Market' Excel in Post #3 of this thread.

MPEG2 channels are identified by un-shaded records and have their channel name and channel number presented in a smaller 10 point font. MPEG 2 is not used for HD.

Standard Definition (SD) channel content transmitted using MPEG4 compression is identified by Green shading.. Because this information must be manually gathered using 'Native' mode on your receiver, only a sampling of these entries is provided.

Puerto Rico

December 17, 2012, Puerto Rico began the transition from Directv Latin America (DLA), to Directv US Domestic resources. Puerto Rico service is now administered as if it were a US DMA.

Virtual Channels

See this link for an explanation of "Virtual Channels" - a term which appears throughout the data

SHEF Commands

Post #2 of this thread details the procedure to acquire channel information and signal strength using interactive IP (SHEF) commands with your receiver.

Market and Channel Count Information

Post #3 of this thread now provides the Directv DMA Market Data and History along with the Channel Count periodic snapshot of channels per satellite. This information has been 'un-bundled' from the weekly TPN Map Excel.


1. TPN_Map Domestic This Excel presents all US Directv Channels and Transponders CONUS (Continental US or wide/National beams) and LIL (Local-Into-Local or narrow/Spot beams).

There are five tabs at the bottom of the Domestic Excel

CONUS all CONUS channels, grouping first MPEG4 then MPEG2 channels in channel number sequence

LIL all Local-Into-Local channels in DMA Market Name sequence, grouping first MPEG4 then MPEG2 channels in channel number sequence. As noted above, Puerto Rico appears as a pseudo DMA

OTA the Directv supported database of Over-The-Air channels in DMA Market Name then channel number sequence. The Directv OTA database has not been supplemented or updated since November, 2009

Hybrid includes Active and Inactive Test records for CONUS, Hybrid and LIL channels, 'Push' channels, On-Demand channels, Interactive channels and Offline channels. Each grouping is in channel number sequence. A large number of part-time channels, seasonal channels, RSN Alternate channels and ‘Game-Only’ sports channels appear in this tab since such channels are typically inactive at the time of day the TPN Map is assembled.

Network Decoder correlates satellites and their transponders graphically to explain the receiver's signal strength presentation

Additional information regarding US Domestic channels is available:

LIL (Local Into Local) information and references in this DBSTalk thread

OTA (Over The Air) information and discussion in this DBSTalk thread

DNS (Distant Network Service) information and discussion in this DBSTalk thread

2. TPN_Map Latin The first division of Directv Latin America (DLA) is Panamericana. Entities in this division are Argentina, Chile, Colombia, Ecuador, Peru, Uruguay and Venezuela. El Caribe entities are Aruba/Curacao, Barbados, Trinidad/Tobago and Caribe Regional. Puerto Rico has transitioned from DLA to US Domestic resources.

There are six tabs at the bottom of the Latin Excel

PanR1 all channels in Network 0, grouping first MPEG4 then MPEG2 channels in channel number sequence.

PanR2 all channels in Network 1, grouping first MPEG4 then MPEG2 channels in channel number sequence.

Sur all channels in Network 3, in channel number sequence

Norte all channels in Network 4, in channel number sequence

Hybrid includes On-Demand channels, Interactive channels, Test records and Offline channels, each grouping in channel number sequence

LA Network Decoder correlates satellites and their transponders graphically to explain the receiver's signal strength presentation



SKY-Mexico is part of a second DLA division. Other entities in this SKY Division are Costa Rica, Dominican Republic, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Nicaragua and Panama. SKY-Mexico is not presented here.


SKY-Brazil is a third DLA division but is not presented here.

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#3246013 Report: Weather Channel returning

Posted by Stuart Sweet on 08 April 2014 - 01:02 PM

I have never heard of a CEO actually apologizing before. DIRECTV wins huge here.
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#3351911 DIRECTV Satellite Discussion D-15 @103W

Posted by Diana C on 07 April 2015 - 02:28 PM

For all of DIRECTV's Ka and RDBS licenses, they don't deliver correspondingly more programming and if I'm not wrong, they still haven't hit all the LIL markets yet.

DISH's approach has made a big dent in the transition to advanced modulation and compression schemes for a significant portion of their customers. So much is made of what DIRECTV could do if they could convert 101W to MPEG4. Let's see it!



You are right, DirecTV makes a habit of launching new satellites to support new services rather than making do with what they have.  You are also right that they cost more than Dish does.


I would just point out that Dish had the same opportunities to bid on satellite slots as DirecTV.  Had they emulated DirecTV a little more than they did, they could have avoided the need for the "dual arc" kludge they have today.  Duplicating all your CONUS content on two complete sets of satellites wastes satellite resources, increases operating costs and can be confusing to customers.  All they needed to do was bid on some licenses of their own.  Instead they "made do" and then had to scramble for space on leased satellite slots to get the required capacity.


Running at 8PSK and MPEG-4 does buy you a small amount of bandwidth but since you also need to increase FEC when you increase data density you don't get the full benefit of the "advanced modulation and compression schemes."  This is really something you do only if you have to.  Dish had to, DirecTV didn't.


Yet, despite using such "advanced" technology, and under-cutting DirecTV's price, Dish Network has never gotten close to catching up with DirecTV's subscriber numbers.  The fact that DirecTV had a 2 year head start is no longer a factor.  18 years is more than enough time to catch up if the product being offered is preferable to customers.


So many things can be argued to be "better," from price to channel selection to business practices to satellite encoding system to set top boxes to how many owners the company has had (all points you have raised in the past as criticisms of DirecTV).  But the only objective way to measure success is to look at how the product or service does in the marketplace and by that measure, DirecTV is winning.


As I look at the moves Charlie & Co have been making in the past couple years, I can't help but think that Mr. Ergen is planning to repeat what he did when he started Dish Network.  If you recall, Ergen and Defranco ran a C-Band business from 1980 until 1992 (when they were granted their first DBS license) at which point they abandoned the C-Band market and remade themselves into a DBS provider.  I expect Ergen is getting ready to abandon the DBS business for the terrestrial wireless business.  All they need is to find someone upon whom they can unload Dish Network.


So, what are we to conclude?  It seems that ALL business have things we like and other things we dislike.  DirecTV and Dish are two companies in the same industry that have taken different paths to get where they are today.  Is one a "better" company than the other as a result?  Don't be ridiculous.  I don't even know what being a "better" company means.  Corporations are not people (despite the efforts lately to make them one legally) and so do not have personalities or characters.  They all exist for only one reason: to enrich their owners.


So, can we PLEASE stop the disparaging comments from the peanut gallery about modulation schemes, number and location of satellites, number of channels, business practices, etc.  Both Dish Network and DirecTV live in glass houses, so great care needs to be taken before tossing rocks at each other, and the result is likely to be nothing but a lot of noise and broken glass.

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#2056107 Cutting Edge: Rules

Posted by Doug Brott on 02 June 2009 - 06:16 PM

The Cutting Edge program was founded by former DBSTalk moderator Earl Bonovich in cooperation with DIRECTV. The Program is a way for you to give valuable feedback to DIRECTV by downloading pre-release versions of firmware to your DIRECTV receivers. A set of risks are outlined here so that you can understand what it means to be a part of the Cutting Edge program.

What you should not do

Do not contact DIRECTV
You agree that all support for this software will be through DBSTalk.com. Contacting DIRECTV about your receivers while they are running pre-release software is grounds for immediate removal from the group.

Do not post about Cutting Edge versions in public forums
The Cutting Edge program is located in a private area that requires opting in for access. This is to protect the information so that it cannot be easily searched on the Internet. All Cutting Edge discussion should take place here in the Cutting Edge forums. You should never post information about the Cutting Edge versions in public areas either on DBSTalk.com or other forums.

Do not download just to get a new feature
Cutting edge versions are typically not "customer ready" which means that there is an increased chance that a major bug may exist.

Do not download if you are unwilling to risk it all
If you are not willing to accept these risks, then do not download a cutting edge version to your receiver.

Do not create polls right after a download
All polls created on the first day a cutting edge release is available or on the two (2) days following the day a cutting edge release is available will be deleted without discussion. The reason for this is to give people a chance to see the changes in action before passing judgment.

What you should do

Understand a cutting edge version may not be stable
This is the cutting edge. There is a chance that your receiver may stop working. There is a chance that you may lose all of your programming. Understand that there are no guarantees of anything.

Understand there is a chance of decreased performance
A cutting edge version often includes new pieces of code as enhancements are added and bugs are fixed. As a result, there are times when the performance will decrease.

Report issues at DBSTalk
You should report issues whenever appropriate, so as to improve the software in future releases. All reports should be made @ DBSTalk.com in the Cutting Edge forum. Do not contact DIRECTV or post issues in the general forum area.

Inform all members of your household
Make sure folks who use this receiver understand that everything could be lost. Downloading a cutting edge version could lead to unsatisfactory results.

Understand that participation is voluntary
No one is forcing you to participate in the Cutting Edge program. If you are dissatisfied with your receivers while running pre-release software, you have one and only one recourse: revert to the national release.

Have the right equipment
In order to participate in the Cutting Edge Program, you must have the right receiver. This list includes an HR, H, D or R series receiver from DIRECTV.

While the Cutting Edge Program is a cooperative effort, DirecTV and DBSTalk are not affiliated. DBSTalk is ultimately not responsible for any issues related to DIRECTV hardware, software and programming.

These rules are subject to change at anytime without notice.
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#3308706 DirecTVs newest "scam"?

Posted by Scott Kocourek on 14 November 2014 - 12:28 PM

I don't believe non-Genie dvrs are even capable of 4k.  


As to your scam comment I don't understand, you don't have to watch programming in 4k, they are not forcing you to.

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Posted by catnapped on 07 February 2014 - 02:37 PM

The Weather Channel's spokesmodel:



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#3298152 Flag Discussion (moved from DirecTV Installation/MDU)

Posted by krunk84 on 10 October 2014 - 07:32 AM

I've spent the better part of yesterday afternoon and this morning reading through this entire thread.  LV, you are my hero!  As a DVT subscriber and a two time combat veteran, your fight against your apartment complex had me intrigued.  I own my house and live in an HOA.  I've had similar fights on my dish placement as it has to be on the top of my house in full view of the street to get the best signal due to trees.  I had to use the same federal regulations to get them off my case.


As for the flag, I know where you are coming from.  I had an American flag displayed from my porch on Memorial Day.  I got a letter from the HOA stating that said display could be seen as "offensive to other neighborhood residents."  Really?!?!  Displaying the flag of the country we currently live in is seen as offensive?  Ok, this got me heated.  The original flag was a small one that I bought from Walmart.  After mentioning this to some buddies in my old unit, they got their hands on and sent me a much larger flag that had been recently retired from flying on post.  This flag was large enough to cover the door of my two car garage!  I hung the flag over the garage door (making sure it never touched the ground and letting my family know that the door was off limits) where it stayed for nearly 4 months.  


After several more letters, I got a visit from the property manager assigned to my street.  He again stated that I was "disrupting and offending neighboring residents."  I then told him that I had been deployed to both Iraq and Afghanistan and was a 60% disabled veteran according to the VA.  I told him that I fought for the right to fly this flag and there was no way I was taking it down.  The property manager then threatened hefty fines and getting law enforcement involved.  I went inside and retrieved the federal flag display laws that I just so happened to have printed out and provided him a copy.  I even pointed out the highlighted sections of the law that protected my right to display it.  He said he would have to review it and get back to me.


Over the next few weeks, I got visits from people higher and higher up the food chain of the HOA.  They used the same tactics against me, threats, fines, possible criminal charges, ect.  Every time, I would explain my position and provide them with a fresh copy of the federal law.  Finally, the president of the HOA came to speak with me and politely asked for some kind of compromise.  The whole situation was making them look bad as I would openly discuss it with anyone who asked.  I told them that there was no way I was going to not display the flag.  They asked if I would be willing to display a similar flag to the one that had started the whole mess.  I honestly wanted to be able to use my garage again, so I agreed to take the gigantic flag down as long as I wouldn't be hassled again for displaying the more modestly sized one from the pole on my porch.  We shook hands and I took my protest flag down and put the smaller one back up on my porch.  This was two years ago and the smaller flag is still on display to this day.  But I have the obscenely large flag folded up neatly in my office, ready for the next time they decide to tempt their fate.  Never get into either a drinking or a pissing contest with a soldier.  You will lose every time!

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#3251028 How many of you think Directv should start compressing their hd more so we ca...

Posted by Diana C on 25 April 2014 - 06:00 AM

To paraphrase Ben Franklin, "he who sacrifices quality for some temporary quantity, will have neither quality nor quantity."
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#3325601 Where is DirecTV' CES content?

Posted by Scott Kocourek on 08 January 2015 - 06:32 PM

You never miss an opportunity do you. I often wonder what your position is at DISH.
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#3354322 Get a HR44 for a HR34 with minimal hassle

Posted by sigma1914 on 17 April 2015 - 08:43 AM

Lying about a disability to game the system is absolutely disgusting.



An actual disabled person

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#3277561 SEC Network

Posted by sigma1914 on 04 August 2014 - 05:33 PM

I was the first one to report this here. I heard it on the radio coming home at 4:00 PM. My ESPN Radio Station Reported the Breaking News Just As I was Pulling Into My Driveway That DirecTv Just signed the deal Today. It is official we will be getting the SEC Network.

Sent from my iPhone using DBSTalk mobile app


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#3259430 Newsmax TV signs with DirecTV

Posted by treecastle on 29 May 2014 - 03:55 PM

Sounds like Fox News Jr.  :down:

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#3246006 Report: Weather Channel returning

Posted by MysteryMan on 08 April 2014 - 12:51 PM

David Kenny, Chief Emasculated Officer.

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#3217961 The Weather Channel and DIRECTV

Posted by sdk009 on 11 January 2014 - 10:27 AM

Boy if TWC thinks that "Highway to Hell", "Heavy Metal Monster", & "Prospectors" (part of Saturday's line-up) are critical programs then they are really full of themselves.
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#3354257 Wow! Worst CSR ever!

Posted by inkahauts on 17 April 2015 - 01:11 AM

Anyone who would disconnect a diplexier (or anything of that nature) from a customers system and take it with them or throw it away should flat out be fired. It's no different than taking money form the guys wallet while he isn't looking. It's pure theft and destruction of property. disconnecting it and handing it to him and saying, this isn't approved and I can't leave it in place because its policy and could be causing your issue is totally understandable. Taking it with him? Not in any scenario is that acceptable.
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#3342304 DIRECTV HD Channel Anticipation (Official Q1-15 Thread)

Posted by KyL416 on 02 March 2015 - 05:28 PM

WE HD, BBC World News HD and Sundance TV HD are now on the app starting Friday morning at 6am ET
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#3339217 DIRECTV HD Channel Anticipation (Official Q1-15 Thread)

Posted by KyL416 on 20 February 2015 - 02:19 PM

3 new HD channels in test (2 from D14 and 1 from D11), a result of the recent deal with AMC Networks and good thing they got control of BBC America prior to the deal being done. There were 3 HD cinema channels that vanished completely yesterday and now we know why.

260 We TV HD
346 BBC World News HD
557 Sundance TV HD
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#3318529 Looks Like FoxNews' Turn (FOX News and FOX Business down 12/21/2014 and b...

Posted by yosoyellobo on 14 December 2014 - 06:39 PM

Does not effect me. I get my news from Comedy Central. :)
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#3262714 DIRECTV Satellite Discussion D-14 @99W

Posted by Diana C on 10 June 2014 - 10:10 PM

Speculating about the launch date can be great fun. The NASA Space Flight website is largely built on launch related news and speculation.The impact comes in the form of not throwing the customer a bone in a rather long time. Kind of like when DIRECTV promised dozens and dozens of HD channels back in 2004. In this marketplace where cable's fortunes seem to be rising again (while DIRECTV's US fortunes are looking flat) and with OTT services gaining familiarity and interest, this should not be ignored. DIRECTV is charging premium prices but they're still not offering some important channels (probably more than 5% interest if the anticipation thread is to be considered) in HD as well as a few channels that aren't offered at all (the international news channels are always chewy). The AT&T thread has also driven home some non-negligible deficiencies in the race for market share but it will be at least two commitment cycles before that really catches on.DIRECTV has offered up one not yet linear news channel in the foreseeable future and it is a domestic news channel. Is this the best they can do? I'm pretty sure that there would be a whole lot more interest in MAV TV if it were offered in HD.DIRECTV doesn't shut down their precious PPV channels for more than a few hours at a time. Imagine how much more they could make if they didn't shut them down at all.

MAVTV was just added (in HD) to FiOS-TV this week (as was Fusion)...<yawn>. If EVERY registered member of this forum clamored for a given channel, that would translate to 0.025% of all DirecTV customers - good luck getting 1/4 of the members to back a "missing" channel.

I just went through the exercise of comparing the channel lineup of DirecTV, Dish Network, Verizon and Cablevision...I don't think there was more than a 4 or 5 channel difference between any of them, and each one was missing a few channels that one or the other carried. While we here love to speculate about all sorts of things, from satellite launches to channel additions to new features in the next software release, the reality is that pretty much anyone would be satisfied with any of the major providers' channel lineup.

While DBSTalk may be important to DirecTV, they don't run their business based solely on what they read here.

All that said, I think you missed my point (either accidentally or purposefully): nearly every post you make is derogatory to DirecTV, either overtly or by inference. You criticize their satellite technology, their content management, their business practices and virtually every aspect of the service and company one can name. So, you should not be surprised when some other posters call you to task for it. One can only reap what one sows.
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