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Discussion in 'DIRECTV SD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by Bobman, Apr 14, 2006.
Plasma and LCD owners may differ with your opinion.
If someone thinks an XM screen saver is more important in a DVR than reliable SL's recordings and fixing all the other problems the R-15 has then thats on them.
I am surely not the expert on it but have been told that TIVO(the software folks) add "flags" to the data to pick up first run/repeat information. I believe this to be true and also believe that if you compare information screens from the DTivo vs the R15 that it's pretty clear they are not the same information, even though they come in the same data stream.
I'm a firm believer in "garbage in garbage out" and don't think that hardware is main culprit at least in the case of the SL's unable to differentiate new from old. If it is, they have a much bigger problem than LCD burn in.
Again, thats my specule and I'm sticking to it.............. for now.
I used to believe that until I started seeing people complaining that the R15 doesn't display "first aired date", while their normal non-DVR receiver does. That and a 28-day rule are all you should need (i.e. the data is there, the problem lies in the software).
The UTV did do it correctly. I just never used it. I was always afraid that they might mark one wrong (as a repeat instead of first run) so I mostly used both. I'd only use first run on simpons and southpark since the air 500 time a week.
I think when they do add the 28-day rule they need to enhance it. If you have a partial recording it should still record the show, even if the partial is still there. Partials should be thrown out of the logic it uses to record a repeat or not.
Sounds good except for shows like Doctor Who. The original air date is from last year on the BBC. If you set a Tivo to record first runs only, you will not get any shows. There was also a problem earlier this year when Tivos set to first run missed one or two of the StarGate episodes as the original air date was set incorrectly (or it aired in Canada first, I don't remember the exact reason).
These examples lead me to believe it's the simple original air that that Tivos use to determine first run.
Now, what does the R15 use is the question.
FIRST RUN AND REPEATS=ALL
I guess nothing. Result is we get all shows. Maybe one reason why it isn't an easy fix.
Burn in is no fun. Ask Delta. I personally don't use XM, but if the enhancement took minimal effort, I can see raising the priority because it will prevent a lot of angry phone calls. CSR time is $.
That's not correct. 'First run' is really a misnomer for this feature. It should be called 'episodes not identifiable as having been recorded recently' but that doesn't sound as catchy.
Speaking of the R15's guide data...someone was speaking of it, right?...tell me what I'm missing:
When there's several episodes of a show recoded, the play list shows the TITLE of every episode under the grouping. But when there is only ONE episode of a show, I cannot find the title anywhere. I know I must be overlooking something, but can someone please clue me in on where to find it?!
How was my statement about Doctor Who recording on a Tivo incorrect? First Run means the first time aired. Not something that's been recorded before.
Right, that's why it's misnamed. When you set a Tivo to only record 'first runs' that's not really what it does. Even if the original airdate is part of the equation, Tivo doesn't say "only record if this airdate is TODAY" or "only record if this is the first time this episode has ever been shown", it says, "only record if I can't identify that I have recorded this recently" or some such. Someone else explained the logic in detail in another thread.
Then why won't a DTivo record Doctor Who when it is set to first run? My units have never recorded them before.
Yeah that is annoying I have not idea why the title isn't displayed anywhere. It obviosly has the info, because it displays it when it groups more than one, but the info isn't viewable if there is only one recording there. It's not even displayed in info. It sounds like the R15 is getting all the info about the show and not showing everything. This might mean that the R15 is getting all the info for first/run repeats but not using it correctly or at all. Earl, can you ask your contact why the episode name is only displayed in if there is more than one recorded and only in MYVOD when it is displayed?
Weird. I don't know. Is anyone else here seeing this issue with a Tivo?
Mine records stuff that's been out of production for 30 years when it's set to first run.
I'd better check the settings, now that you mention it.
Everything I've read indicates DTivos use the Original Air date to determine First Runs. That's why Doctor Who doesn't record and that's why the Stargate issue came up back in January.
Oops. I just went back and checked my season pass settings. I had forgotten there was a difference between 'repeats' and 'duplicates'.
So in the words of Emily Littela: "Never mind."