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Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by zyrafa7, Apr 23, 2010.

  1. zyrafa7

    zyrafa7 AllStar

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    Well my friend decided to go for it and try. I have a question per hooking the switches together. He has one DPP44 switch with all four ports taken. he purchased a DP32 which he wants to daisy chain to the other switch. How many cables need to connect both switches? There are four slots that say "to additional switch" on the DPP44. Does anyone know what to do? Any information is greatly appreciated as I will be helping him with this.

    Thanks all and have a great weekend!:)
     
  2. James Long

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    The four "additional switch" ports are intended to connect to another DPP44.
    Any other use is unsupported and could cause problems.

    That being said, they should be direct feed through of the input across the switch. A non-DPP44 switch connected to these outputs may see the signals as if they were coming from the LNB and overlook the DPP44. The problem would come if a switch command got through the DPP44 to the LNB and changed the LNB output to something the DPP44 did not expect.

    Having a non-standard setup is all mad science and potentially harmful to the switches and LNBs. All smoke produced in experiments is the responsibility of the experimenter. (If the magic smoke trapped inside your equipment escapes the equipment may not work ever again.) If you're willing to put up with the frustration of fixing it all if the plan does go south it may be worth a try. Just make sure outputs feed inputs and you're not connecting two of the same to each other.
     
  3. zyrafa7

    zyrafa7 AllStar

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    Isn't connecting a DPP44 to a DP32 supported? I thought that I read this somewhere. So I have to feed three wires from the DPP44 to the DP32? I know that there has to be a way to connect this.
     
  4. Grandude

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    I daisy chained two DP34 switches from the output of my DPP44 with no problems. It is designed to do that. I'm not sure what a DP32 is though. I can't find that listed at any on-line site.
     
  5. zyrafa7

    zyrafa7 AllStar

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    Please help!!!! My apologies I have a DP44 switch attached to a DP34 swicth connected via the ports marked #1 that go to the LNBs. Dpp44 port 1 is tied into Dp34 port one (side that goes to LNBs). I am dioing a check switch and get all sorts of errors. Can someoen please help me and tell me how on screen to set this up? Do I need to choose alternate? (doesnt work) super dish (doesnt work). I dont know what I am doing wrong. Please help. It will be dark soon and I wont be able to go back onto the roof :(
     
  6. scooper

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    LNBs to the LNB inputs on the DPP44

    port one gets the power inserter, use the 4 outputs "to receiver" first.
    On the other outputs, connect to your LNB inputs of the DP34, then the receivers from the outputs on the DP34

    As far as setup - just do a normal "check switch" on all receivers. They "SHOULD" find everything properly without any special options.

    Keep in mind that if you are using a dual tuner receiver on the receiver outputs of the DP34 - you must run 2 cables - one for each tuner. You can get by with a single cable on the DPP44 receiver outputs using a DPP Seperator.
     
  7. zyrafa7

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    Which ports do I use to daisy chain (cascade) the two switches together? I only have one receiver. Theat receiver is conencted to "to receiver satellite in" port 1 on the DPP44.

    I am having a very hard time and am very frustrated. Thanks for all the help.
     
  8. scooper

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    If you have just 1 receiver - you don't need both switches.

    If you have 4 LNBs - use the DPP44, if you have only 3, you can use either switch.
     
  9. zyrafa7

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    I am hooking up 119/110/61.5/129 and 118.7. I need both switches.

    My question is which ports connect BOTH switches?

    "To additional switch"?
    "To Dish"?

    I only have one receiver and need both switches as you can see.
     
  10. scooper

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    You can't hook that set up like that with this combination of switches, as far as I know. 4 slots / LNBs - that can be done - But I think you're out of luck trying to do 5.
     
  11. zyrafa7

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    Well it is getting dark and it looks like I am SOL. Does anyone know how to cascade a DP34 into a DPP44? Which ports do I use?

    Thank you to all for this valuable information.
     
  12. James Long

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    You CANNOT add orbital slots by connecting those switches together in any manner.

    The DP34 takes (up to) three LNBs and feeds four receivers, the DPP44 takes (up to) four LNBs and feeds four receivers. The "pass through" outputs on the switch can be connected to another switch but "pass through" is just the one satellite connected to the corresponding input.

    Connecting a receiver output of either of those switches to the LNB input of the other switch will not create a working switch setup.

    What you CAN do if you need five orbital locations is use the DPP44 to combine four LNBs and then take the receiver output of the DPP44 and run it into one of the inputs on a DP21. The fifth orbital is then added as input two on the DP21. This provides you with a single tuner DP feed.

    If you are feeding a dual tuner receiver you will need to use separate receiver outputs on the DPP44, two DP21s, a satellite splitter with NO power pass on one of the legs to separate the fifth signal to the two DP21s, and run two cables to the receiver (one from each DP21).

    If you are feeding a non DP receiver (legacy) you will need a legacy adapter to use the DP21 or DP34. Or you will need a more complicated legacy LNB and switch setup.


    DPP34 receiver output into a DP34 or DP34 receiver output into a DPP44? It won't work.

    (Note: The DP21 adds ONE orbital slot to the mix. The second input must be a single LNB. You can't add two switch outputs together with a DP21.)
     
  13. zyrafa7

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    Well the weekend has come and I have decided to try again.

    My friend has spent more money and this time has purchased a DP21 to go along with his DPP44.

    The following is the setup of the DPP44:
    119 - "To Dish" port 1
    110 - "To Dish" port 2
    129 - "To Dish" port 3
    118.7 - "To Dish" port 4

    Now how do I connect 61.5 via the DP21?

    Which ports connect the DPP44 to the DP21??? I am not certain about this? (Anyone who answers please tell me exactly which ports based on what the label on the switches say)

    There is only ONE receiver...which switch does the receiver plug into?

    Thank you once again for all of the help....Hopefully this time I won't spend another 5 hours on the roof....
     
  14. CABill

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    There is one output on the DP21 that would connect to the receiver. James described how to connect to the DP21 inputs, saying it would feed a SINGLE TUNER DP receiver. Before you get up on the roof, you might post the model of the "ONE receiver" to make sure it isn't a dual tuner. Appologies if that was mentioned, but I didn't find it in the thread.
     
  15. zyrafa7

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    It is a single tuner for sure.

    I seem to recall that the receiver with the power inserter had to be connected on "To Receiver Satellite In" Port 1 on the DPP44. If it is conencted to the Dp21 will it get enough power?

    I still do not understand which ports connect the DPP44 to the DP21??????????

    I am not an expert by any means...thanks for your patience....
     
  16. coldsteel

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    OK, you run a short cable from the #1 output on the 44 to the inserter. Then run a cable from the other side of the inserter to the '1 Dish' port on the DP21. The cable from the wing dish goes to the '2 Dish' port on the SW21, then run a cable from the 'to receiver sat-in' jack to the receiver.

    No guarantee this will work however, the receiver will only recognize 4 of the orbitals.
     
  17. zyrafa7

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    The whole point is that I need the receiver to recognize FIVE of the location. If I wanted 4 I would just keep the DPP44 on the roof alone and would have no need for the DP21.
     
  18. coldsteel

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    There is NO way any Dish receiver will detect more than 4 orbitals. NO way at all.
     
  19. scooper

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    never say never....
     
  20. zyrafa7

    zyrafa7 AllStar

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    Of course it will detect more than four orbital locations. That is the whole point behind cascading. Can someone with more information please share some enlightenment with all of us?
     

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