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2010 NFL Discussion

Discussion in 'Sports Programming and Events' started by JACKIEGAGA, Aug 8, 2010.

  1. Aug 29, 2010 #61 of 229
    hdtvfan0001

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    Lack of bench depth, high proportion of older players than many other teams.
     
  2. Aug 29, 2010 #62 of 229
    Stewart Vernon

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    The problem with pre-season, in terms of gauging regular season performance is multi-fold, in my opinion:

    1. Starters/stars don't try as hard because pre-season doesn't count, they don't want to be injured, they don't want to give anything away to opponents too early, and they already know they have made the team.

    2. Rookies, conversely, try harder in pre-season because they don't want to get cut.

    3. Coaches don't want to give anything away either... also, will go for 4th downs in pre-season just to try something out OR will not go for a tie/win late in the game because the game doesn't count like it would in the regular season.

    So... they don't "play to win the game" like in the regular season... Starters will play MUCH harder in regular season games... Rookies might actually have a let-down or hit the rookie-wall in the regular season once the pressure of making the team is over... and Coaches want to win in the regular season, don't care in the pre-season.

    Think of last season, where the Colts started 14-0, then lost their last 2 games because they no longer were trying to win... then went to the Superbowl and lost a closely contested game.

    Those 2 games they "gave" away because of being meaningless are very much like preseason games... and clearly were not at all indicative of the rest of the Colts' season.

    Injuries matter in pre-season... as do rookies making the team (or not)... but almost everything else about any preseason game is useless to extrapolate to how that team will play the regular season.

    To go the other way... I'm pretty sure one of the Carolina Panthers' recent 8-8 or worse seasons followed a 4-0 preseason.

    The good teams that know what they have, don't care... The bad teams might get wins playing against those teams... but when the regular season starts and everything matters, the cream rises to the top.
     
  3. Aug 29, 2010 #63 of 229
    hdtvfan0001

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    Seems some folks are confusing their Fantasy Football leagues with the real ones... :D:lol:
     
  4. Aug 29, 2010 #64 of 229
    Stewart Vernon

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    That sounds more like what you are doing, actually... assuming regular season will follow from pre-season performance.

    FYI, another good example...

    I'm pretty sure the year Detroit went 0-16 was a year that they went 4-0 in the pre-season. That obviously did not help them when the games counted.
     
  5. Aug 29, 2010 #65 of 229
    sigma1914

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    You're right about Detroit.
    Here's the preseason records of the last 11 Super Bowl champions:
    2009 - NO - 3-1
    2008 - PIT - 3-1
    2007 - NYG - 4-0
    2006 - IND - 1-3
    2005 - PIT - 3-1
    2004 - NE - 1-3
    2003 - NE - 4-0
    2002 - TB - 3-1
    2001 - NE - 3-1
    2000 - BAL - 4-0
    1999 - STL - 3-1
     
  6. Aug 30, 2010 #66 of 229
    hdtvfan0001

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    Contrary to a few defensiveposter spins on the subject....this seems to further validate that preseason DOES matter 9 of the past 11 years, as far as showing a team headed in the right direction for the Super Bowl.

    Sorry guys....some of your teams are already in trouble this year.
     
  7. Aug 30, 2010 #67 of 229
    sigma1914

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    You're the only person who thinks Indy is in trouble. :lol:
    Did you miss this?
    http://www.tornbysports.com/nfl-preseason/
     
  8. Sep 6, 2010 #68 of 229
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    As a Patriots fan I cant stand the Jets. They have potential to be the biggest flop this year.
     
  9. Sep 6, 2010 #69 of 229
    sigma1914

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    Flop? As in going undefeated then losing the Super Bowl? :lol:
     
  10. Sep 6, 2010 #70 of 229
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    Well, they finally got Revis signed. Biggest mistakes they made were acquiring LT & Cromartie. I'm a Chargers season ticket holder and have seen every down those two have played. LT has lost a two steps and Cro had only one good season.

    BTW, those of you attending Jets games this season, watch what Cromartie does while the play comes in sidelines for the defense. He's always, and I mean ALWASY about 10-15 yards away from the defensive huddle. He's not talking to the coaches either. He'll just stand there, hands on hips.
     
  11. Sep 6, 2010 #71 of 229
    sigma1914

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    Neither were signed to be #1s...LT was signed to give Greene rests. Cro was signed to compliment Revis.

    Most corners don't waste energy going to the huddle when their job is to sick the WR. Watch old games of the best cover CB ever, Deion, & you'll see him do the same.
     
  12. Sep 6, 2010 #72 of 229
    hdtvfan0001

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    It sure didn't take long for Leinert to catch on somewhere else....Texans.
     
  13. Sep 6, 2010 #73 of 229
    JACKIEGAGA

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    Jets are overated!
     
  14. Sep 6, 2010 #74 of 229
    Stewart Vernon

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    The NFL is really hard to pick in modern times... because even good teams that return all of their players don't always play as good the next season.

    Look at New England, for example...

    The year Brady got his first Superbowl... the following year they were something like 9-7 and didn't even make the playoffs I don't believe.

    Then the mostly same team goes and wins back-to-back in the Superbowl.

    Most of the rest of the teams since then don't tend to do very well at all the next season... and usually 1 or 2 horrible teams rise to being a good team the next year.

    There are some consistencies, like the Colts who seem to always do well in the regular season... though not so much in the playoffs... or the Chargers who seem to like to start by losing 3-4 games and then having to win out to make the playoffs and then beat someone they probably shouldn't.

    It's just really weird to me... and not counting injuries that derail seasons... I am always perplexed at how team performance varies so much from year to year with mostly the same roster.
     
  15. Sep 7, 2010 #75 of 229
    JACKIEGAGA

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    Still not to late if anyone wants in NFL Pro Pickem click the link above.

    Thanks Joshjr for setting it up
     
  16. Sep 8, 2010 #76 of 229
    JACKIEGAGA

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    A little over 24hrs for Kick Off
     
  17. Sep 9, 2010 #77 of 229
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    Not long now until the Favre-takes-a-beating early retirement festivus.....uh....first game. :D
     
  18. Sep 9, 2010 #78 of 229
    JACKIEGAGA

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    I just hope its a good game
     
  19. Sep 9, 2010 #79 of 229
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    The best game would be if Tavaris Jackson has to be the Vikings QB starting the 2nd quarter.... :D
     
  20. Sep 9, 2010 #80 of 229
    JACKIEGAGA

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    :)
    I expect that talk from tibber :D
     

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