FIFA refereeing rules state: "The referee shall hand over to the FIFA general coordinator a match report at the stadium immediately after the match. On the report form the referee shall note all occurrences such as misconduct of players leading to caution or expulsion, unsporting behavior by supporters and/or by officials or any other person acting on behalf of an association at the match and any other incident happening before, during and after the match in as much detail as possible."
I think crap has started to hit the fan for this guy. Unfortunately, it will be impossible to reverse any decisions. But he will have to face the consequences.
I'm still in 2 minds whether this was all due to his incompetence, or if there is some insidious corruption/betting thing going on behind the scenes.
I don't think USSF should take this lying down. They must push for punishment for this guy at the highest level in FIFA. But I can predict what wimpy approach they'll take. They want to win rights for 2018 World Cup, so they'll just be "diplomatic" and kowtow to the official line.
"The official, after calling what is being universally agreed an outrageously poorly refereed game, refuses to tell anyone why he disallowed the critical goal...and in the end, was not even clear to anyone when he decided the game was over."
Why oh why has this fantastic sport failed to capture the hearts of Americans???
Then went on then, to say this was also the case for the Yellow card issued earlier in the game for the handpass, when it clearly hit the player in the face... that call is costing the player a game because he accumulated too many yellow cards.
That call was almost as bad as the waived off goal.
That idiotic incident has been a blessing in disguise for USA. Findley isn't going to score any goals in a million years. But the coach kept on insisting on sticking with him instead of starting with other options like Edson Buddle. Now coach will be forced to not use him.
Having said that, it should've been the coach's decision of using or not using him. Not some stupid referee's enforced decision for no violation whatsoever. And you never know, some injury scenario could force situation such that we would've wanted to have option of having him available. (*knock on wood*) USSF should strongly protest Findley's unjust disqualification as well (but not play him in next match anyway).
That's what they said ahead of the Slovenia match. :eek2:
Actually, apart from referee controvery: Gooch's performance has been dreadful in USA defence as well. He was very solid late in 2nd half against England, but horrible against Slovenia. Both of those Slovenia goals, which should've never happened were totally his fault. We know he had the bad injury situation for months before the World Cup. Nobody was sure for the longest time if he would even make it. It is now clear that he really isn't at his 100% for this high level. I feel the coach should start Clarence Goodson instead of Gooch against Algeria.
It has a real musician playing vuvezela to make it sound like something resembling real music. Of course, it's all in only 1 tone. But it could change your opinion of this hated instrument. :lol:
I remember somebody had asked exact same question a while back on this board. I had a long writeup on this, so instead of typing it all up again I'll simply point you to it. (There is some unrelated stuff about a different topic towards the bottom of it, but of course you can ignore it.)
That's what they said ahead of the Slovenia match. :eek2:
Actually, apart from referee controvery: Gooch's performance has been dreadful in USA defence as well. He was very solid late in 2nd half against England, but horrible against Slovenia. Both of those Slovenia goals, which should've never happened were totally his fault. We know he had the bad injury situation for months before the World Cup. Nobody was sure for the longest time if he would even make it. It is now clear that he really isn't at his 100% for this high level. I feel the coach should start Clarence Goodson instead of Gooch against Algeria.
I think thats a really good call. I have no idea why Goodson isn't playing, and having Gooch 1st PROVE he is better on the field NOW, vs how he was before the injury.
US Defence has been Horrible in both games, no pressure on the ball, and over adjusting afterwards leaving to many people open.
Onyewu Oguchi is our make or break defense. He is powerful and tall defending corner kicks but is ultra slow straight ahead and laterally running speed. Even when he's at full speed I don't think he should be the last defender. But I am just a novice at this sport.
I see the handball calls as very tough to call. Anywhere from a red card today right in front of the net, to many yellow cards for intentional touches, to quick unintentional deflections (like Finley's off his face). I do believe it did touch his hand after his face but so quick that it was unintentional and should have been ignored. And also some balls are knocked down near the shoulder area. I saw a yellow card on a shoulder touch.
And lastly if both Group C games are tied wednesday and England scores a lot we could have a coin flip to advance! No overtime. No penalty kicks. A coin flip! Does David Beckham get to call it? :eek2: The US better score. And shore up that defense.
Onyewu Oguchi is our make or break defense. He is powerful and tall defending corner kicks but is ultra slow straight ahead and laterally running speed. Even when he's at full speed I don't think he should be the last defender. But I am just a novice at this sport.
I see the handball calls as very tough to call. Anywhere from a red card today right in front of the net, to many yellow cards for intentional touches, to quick unintentional deflections (like Finley's off his face). I do believe it did touch his hand after his face but so quick that it was unintentional and should have been ignored. And also some balls are knocked down near the shoulder area. I saw a yellow card on a shoulder touch.
And lastly if both Group C games are tied wednesday and England scores a lot we could have a coin flip to advance! No overtime. No penalty kicks. A coin flip! Does David Beckham get to call it? :eek2: The US better score. And shore up that defense.
Tiebreakers work this way, and were not impossible, England would have to have a much higher scoring tie game, with the US having a tie game serval points less.
tiebreakers are used as follows:
Greatest number of points obtained in the group matches between the teams concerned;
goal difference resulting from the group matches between the teams concerned;
greater number of goals scored in all group matches between the teams concerned;
drawing of lots by the FIFA Organising Committee. (i.e., determining team positions at random)
As for Handballs being Red or Yellow, depends on were they happen on both the field and players location on it. Today unfortunatly for the Aussie's, handball was, in the Penalty area, by the last defender, and was scoring opportunty foul. Chicken wing handballs are one of the toughest breaks in the game, and doing it in the box standing on the goal line, was a horrible break, but it was the right call.
Thanks GBear. I studied up before I posted. If the US ties 0-0 and England ties 2-2 wednesday I believe they are tied in every way. Therefore a 50/50 coin flip (they call it something else). If this is wrong please be more specific how. I'm not gonna read the whole rulebook. I found a simple link that explained the world cup tiebreaker rule. That is why I want the US to score more. If they lose they are out. If the US wins they move on, but if they tie and England ties then England has to score exactly 2 more goals than the US to force the coin flip. I hope this doesn't happen. If they tie in every way what is the result? This world cup is pretty fun.
Unfortunately, I think you're correct. I've been having trouble sleeping, even thinking such a situation could be conceivable. I wonder if Tim Howard is having trouble sleeping because of the shaky center-back situation he has to deal with lately.
It's quite simple, if USA can't defeat Algeria they don't deserve to go through. Donovan said the same thing ahead of the Slovenija match, and in fact we did win that match. But what is done is done and can't be dwelt on now.
USA did destroy Egypt 3-0 in Confederations Cup 1 year ago on South African soil. And then they also beat (half-awake) Turkey 1 month ago in a pre World Cup friendly. Supposedly Egypt and Turkey are fairly close comparisons to Algeria. But 1 year ago we did have services of Charlie Davies available, and he contributed significantly. Due to tragic circumstances, he isn't available now. And about Turkey, of course it was only a friendly so only so much can be taken out of it. In the 2nd half of the friendly, entire Turkish team could hardly be bothered and were in vacation mode.
Whatever. USA cannot depend on England to help them out. England are looking like a garbage side with their own set of problems. USA has got to beat Algeria, anything less would be failure.
Ahem, I went to page 23 of that document and can't see anything related to that on that page. However, at bottom of page 41 I see:
The ranking of each team in each group will be determined as follows:
a) greatest number of points obtained in all group matches;
b) goal difference in all group matches;
c) greatest number of goals scored in all group matches.
If two or more teams are equal on the basis of the above three criteria,
their rankings will be determined as follows:
d) greatest number of points obtained in the group matches between
the teams concerned;
e) goal difference resulting from the group matches between the
teams concerned;
f) greater number of goals scored in all group matches between the
teams concerned;
g) drawing of lots by the FIFA Organising Committee.
It is the last "g) drawing of lots by the FIFA Organising Committee." that has me concerned. What the hell does that mean? I'm pretty sure that's exactly same as the coin-toss thing which is being talked about.
BTW to kikkenit2: Harry Kewell's Australia handball call was a clear-cut penalty and red card. Absolutely no dispute about that.
Thanks GBear. I studied up before I posted. If the US ties 0-0 and England ties 2-2 wednesday I believe they are tied in every way. Therefore a 50/50 coin flip (they call it something else). If this is wrong please be more specific how. I'm not gonna read the whole rulebook. I found a simple link that explained the world cup tiebreaker rule. That is why I want the US to score more. If they lose they are out. If the US wins they move on, but if they tie and England ties then England has to score exactly 2 more goals than the US to force the coin flip. I hope this doesn't happen. If they tie in every way what is the result? This world cup is pretty fun.
Yes, if England scores 2 more goals than the US, then we are tied up, if England has a tie game with more than 2pts, the USA is screwed. There is NO Coin flip though. Its done by a draw, I just posted ALL the ways a tie is decided, in the order, before a draw system is used. No coin flip involved, and 2 ties don't mean we are all tied up.
AHEM, Yes on Page 41 of the Guide it says the break down, on all 4 of my computers when you open the PDF file its on 23 page of 29 pages, as the default layout, is double pages, and page 23 has page 40 on the left and 41 on the right. Since this is the same way on 4 different computers, I posted it that way. Granted if some are blind and have to open up the document larger than default, they will have a different amount of pdf pages.
If England wins in a 3-3 tie, vs a USA 0-0 tie, with 3 goals different in soccer scoring, hence alot more than the USA, even in a with both teams tieing, England would go on, and the USA would be left out. There is alot more to figuring out a tie in this scenerio. So once again in ORDER
tiebreakers are used as follows:
Greatest number of points obtained in the group matches between the teams concerned;
goal difference resulting from the group matches between the teams concerned;
greater number of goals scored in all group matches between the teams concerned;
drawing of lots by the FIFA Organising Committee. (i.e., determining team positions at random)
Neither one of us wants this complete tie to happen but if it does how is a random draw any different than a coin flip?
Pick a number out of a hat. Higher number wins? Curious but really who cares. My point is it may not be decided on the field.
This is a controversial rule. At least in the following rounds ties will be played on correct? Even a shootout is better than drawing lots.
Neither one of us wants this complete tie to happen but if it does how is a random draw any different than a coin flip?
Pick a number out of a hat. Higher number wins? Curious but really who cares. My point is it may not be decided on the field.
This is a controversial rule. At least in the following rounds ties will be played on correct? Even a shootout is better than drawing lots.
Nope, I would much prefer, for the US to just win vs Algeria, and put the issue to rest. I will be watching 140 with 144 in the PiP window. Playing both games at the same time makes a lot of sense, but hard on the TV viewer.
Nope, I would much prefer, for the US to just win vs Algeria, and put the issue to rest. I will be watching 140 with 144 in the PiP window. Playing both games at the same time makes a lot of sense, but hard on the TV viewer.
I agree. If we can't beat Algeria why move on anyway? Only because England has been pitiful and boring while the Yanks have been crazy all over the place exciting. So i'll take a tie to move on. They have to play simultaneously, otherwise they will play to not lose etc. which they will do anyway. Everyone will be watching the other score in group C. I have directv so I can't do pip but I do have previous. Can't wait til wednesday.
Hahahahahahahahaha so hilarious, how about Champions Italia not being able to beat minnow New Zealand!!! New Zealand scored the first goal in the match! And it was certainly not scored from an offside position. The guy who scored the NZ goal on free kick was in fact offside at the moment ball bounced off of another New Zealander's header. But it hit Fabio Cannavaro after that. I looked at a picture freeze frame, and it in fact looked like a handball, hitting Cannavaro's hand. Then, it fell into the path of the NZ player who scored that shocking goal. Since a goal was already scored, any handball call was a moot point due to advantage. But the ball touching Cannavaro at that point in any way (irrespective of handball) nullified any question of offside.
The Italian goal on the other hand came off of a bogus penalty call. De Rossi (same red card De Rossi from 4 years ago elbowing American Brian McBride in face drawing blood) dived without a doubt on that call. Of course his shirt was pulled, meaning he was fouled. But all it deserved was a yellow card for shirt pulling and re-taking free kick. But De Rossi had to dive staying true to the reputation.
What does it tell about state of Italian football at this point? They need to earn their only goal against a weak team like New Zealand with a penalty earned by diving and cheating.
BTW, how about that shameless Malian referee Koman Coulibaly being 4th official in that Italia - New Zealand match? I thought he should've been thrown out already, going home to Mali. I certainly didn't like seeing him as the 4th official (communicating with coaches, working substitutions and stoppage time displays etc.)
A) Not the host
B) Not a comedian
c) Not adding anything to the studio shows
He gets worse every single day!
By the way, Chile, who have played great football, will rue all those missed chances against Honduras and Switzerland. They will probably be the only side with 6 points to go home after the group stages.
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