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2010 World Cup Soccer - Discussion

Discussion in 'Sports Programming and Events' started by JACKIEGAGA, Jun 7, 2010.

  1. Chandu

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    Oops, said it too soon. :p And out of nowhere, Australia surprise with a great headed goal by Cahill!!! And back to back followed by another one!!! 2-0 to them, Srbija looks like will be knocked out.

    It may not help Australia though, as they still need a lot more to overcome goal differential against Ghana. 15 more mins left.
     
  2. Chandu

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    It's all over, was too little too late for Australia. Actually Srbija scored 1 more goal on Australian goalkeeper's error, and missed another empty net chance late.

    Deutschland 1 - 0 Ghana

    Ghana played very good but had nothing to show for. So now, it will be in round of 16:

    USA vs. Ghana on Saturday
    England vs Deutschland on Sunday

    We will certainly take on Ghana, much better chances for USA with this setup. Ghana of course has chips of entire African continent on their shoulders now (there is no way in hell Cote d'Ivoire is going through), so it will be intense. For USA to take another African opponent in succession in elimination match (and a sub-Saharan African at that, as opposed to North African), it is going to be very intense.

    Good thing for USA I feel is, Ghana despite all their talent seem to lack in discipline and organization. It's going to be a fun weekend! (Of course, there are couple of more days of group eliminations to go. :) )
     
  3. GrumpyBear

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    This weekends games are going to be REALLY good. Only potential snoozer is Uraguay vs South Korea.
     
  4. Chandu

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    President Bill Clinton with forward Hercules Gomez after the match:

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    Bill Clinton to U.S. soccer team: "You are amazing!"

     
  5. cmasia

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    Chandu,

    Before your tear ducts explode over Clinton's concern for the US team, you should know someone had to explain to him Dempsey's effort in the first half was ruled offside.

    He had no clue, and was cheering long, long, long after the flag was up. And was still cheering after play had resumed. Sepp Blatter was embarrassed. And I never thought I'd ever say that.

    I'm as thrilled as you with our advance, but posting a pic of Clinton with a guy who was taken off at HT is a bit disturbing.

    Yes, I've had several beers tonight.
     
  6. camo

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    I would of watched but I was busy watching my new grass grow.
    I did record the game as usual and fast-f to the first score at 91 minutes.
    Go USA :hurah:
     
  7. Chandu

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    Cool, I'll reply to you in slightly reverse order. BTW, before making any other comments: You're aware that Clinton is honorary chairman of bid trying to bring World Cup 2018 or 2022 to USA, right?

    Good on you, as you should be celebrating such big achievement for the team in style!!! :D

    Wait. Were you physically in attendance or something, or had access to alternate footage than standard world-feed which all of us see on ESPN/Univision? I went back and looked at all 5 of Clinton sightings during the coverage and can't find any conclusive proof of what you say.
    • 15:13 minute mark of match, Blatter making small-talk comment to Clinton
    • 21:00 minute mark of match (soon after the offside incident), Clinton looking glum, but not in any communication with Blatter.
    • 1 hour 13 min mark of my recording during half-time. I feel this is the one you're referring to. Shows Clinton getting up from his chair and keeps clapping cheerfully. But both Blatter and the guy on Clinton's other side are sitting stiff not getting up. Both of them, especially Blatter making gesture to Clinton with their finger which doesn't look very positive and encouraging. Clinton still continues to be cheerful, slightly semi-confused, continues clapping and finally sits down. I have no conclusive reason to believe that this necessarily had anything to do with the offside call. It could've been about any other call, such as a free-kick called in USA's favor. Who knows?
    • 80:06 minute mark of match, Clinton biting nails, Blatter looks like couldn't care less.
    • 2 hour 16 min mark of my recording after the famous victory. Some guy in seat ahead of Clinton unexpectedly puts an Algerian scarf around Clinton's neck. What what that all about? :confused: Obviously Clinton in big celebratory mood.

    Then I found following couple of random musings which seem to say what you're saying. But they're just that, musings. Nothing conclusive.

    Bill is Blattered by the offside rule

    Was it clear really? I can't say for sure, as I said before.


    http://blogs.rep-am.com/time_out/2010/06/23/u-s-faces-algeria-with-plenty-on-the-line/


    Yeah, this guy didn't really know it. He just made it up. I wonder if this was the source of all these rumors about Clinton's being clueless about offside controversy.

    I mean considering it says here that he's pretty knowledgeable about the sport, that theory doesn't hold water.

    Former President Clinton Speaks On World Cup 2010

    [John McEnroe] Wow, you can't be serious!!! [/John McEnroe]

    Man!!! As I posted from earlier link, Clinton walked into the locker room post-match at some random moment when players were celebrating. Some of them maybe weren't dressed appropriately for taking pictures for public consumption. And from the sounds of it, they didn't particularly interrupt just because Clinton walked in. He happened to have his pictures taken with whoever was dressed properly. Do you honestly think he was thinking like: "Oh, you're that untouchable Gomez dude who was taken off at half-time, I don't want to be seen pictured with you."? :rolleyes:

    Seriously, I happened to post whatever first picture I could find from player twitter pages, and it was Gomez's. It was a great honorary moment for players that (past) president of the country they are proudly representing happens to stop by to congratulate them. And you're calling it disturbing with which player such picture was posted?!?!?!

    With captain Carlos Bocanegra:

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    With the coach:

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    OK, so here I have another picture this time with Edson Buddle instead; bite me! :eek2: (Won't let me directly embed picture, so trying attachment instead.)
     

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  8. Chandu

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    Fannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnntastic!!!!!

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    Thanks so much for letting us know!! I had noted your past updates already, but my little black notebook ran out of pages. So I went and bought a new little brown notebook specially for noting this down.

    BTW, does the growth of this grass of yours need to be tailored differently, depending on whether a team will be using 4-4-2 formation to play over it as opposed to 3-5-2? Wait, the grass is being grown for a pitch to play on, right?

    Thanks!!! :joy: :biggthump
     
  9. GrumpyBear

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    Ok,
    who else is exhausted after watching the Slovakia vs Italy game?
    That has to be one of the top games of the WC so far.

    US had the BEST finish in a game yesterday.
     
  10. JACKIEGAGA

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    Is it Kentucky Blue Grass
     
  11. JACKIEGAGA

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    Yes it was now I will root for USA and Germany
     
  12. Chandu

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    Me so happy, me so happy, woooohooooo!!!! :jumpingja

    France (runners up of 2006) disgraced first, and now Italia (holding 2006 champions) back home on an early flight! It had never happened before that champions and runners up were knocked out in 1st round. What's more, Italia finished bottom of the group. Coming 4th in a group which had New Zealand (probably considered weakest by most, except North Korea) and Slovensko (a team appearing in World Cup for the first time ever).

    There will be a new champion!! The Champion has been dethroned!!! The emperor has no clothes!!! :D

    Also how about Marcelo Lippi not bothering to shake Slovakian coach's hand after the match, storming off of the pitch? After that French punk Domenech flatly refused to shake hands with Carlos Alberto Pereira (South Africa's Brasilian coach, a very respected man in the profession), similar incident repeated. I had great respect for Marcelo Lippi before this. I especially fondly remember his coaching days for Juventus, when he was nothing but a genius. I'm very sad to say, I've totally lost all respect for him after this incident. To see him walk off the pitch without even acknowledging presence of the opposing winner coach, let alone looking him in the eye and shaking his hands, that was utterly disgusting. Not only did Lippi disrespect entire nation of Slovensko, he disrespected rest of the world and the sport! Why such disgraceful lack of class? Is it a coincidence that both coaches with such ugly behavior were coaches for 2 finalist teams from 2006? I wish FIFA starts imposing harsh penalties for such behavior from now on. [​IMG]

    About the match itself:

    To be fair, there were complicated situations in the 2nd half. Still not known for sure if the ball had not completely crossed the line on 1st disallowed Italian goal. Also I'm not 100% sure if disallowed Italian goal for offside was really offside. They showed 1 freeze picture which wasn't an overhead shot. It was at an angle which showed Italian strikers upper body (torso) marginally offside. For USA's offside controversy with Clint Dempsey goal, they showed an overhead shot with easy to see parallel lines. I don't know if ESPN had computer generated that shot with ESPN Axis or if it was from world feed. Why couldn't they show similar shot for the Italian incident? I feel it was very difficult to make such quick offside decision, any part of attacking players body being ahead of last defender. It could be as minuscule as a piece of sock, small part of shoulder. To make these calls for a human eye when there is high speed action seems very hard.

    For Dempsey's disallowed goal, I have no doubt it was incorrectly called offside. For the Italian disallowed goal, I have a strong hunch it wasn't really offside.

    Having said that, just like France I'm shedding few tears for Italia. They had themselves to blame for getting into such pathetic situation in the first place. Not being able to beat New Zealand and having to resort to fake diving to earn penalty for a Champion team, what an utter joke! For big part of last match, they looked directionless without inspiration. It was as if they were trying to copy France and England's ineptitude. They were unlucky to have lost Buffon and Pirlo for big part of competitions to injury. The 2nd choice goalkeeper after Buffon's injury never instilled any confidence. He had this perpetual "deer in the headlights" look. A team which relied so much on a single player Pirlo for creativity, they didn't deserve to go through. Lippi was guilty of having stuck with Peppe and Iaquinta in spite of their ineptitude time after time.

    I love Italia in general, their food, love for art, all sorts of things about Italian people and culture. But I can't really say the same thing about Italian football. The reputation they've earned about diving, faking injuries, whining, trying to earn bogus penalties and what not is sad. Few people will shed tears for this Italian team not being there.

    OK I suppose, let's not feed the troll anymore! :) Let's get behind our country and our team!!
     
  13. Chandu

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    Wow, just wow about these teams from Asia!! After South Korea, what heart showed by Nippon against Danmark!!! Those 2 free kick goals, first by Honda and second by other Japanese dude were the sweetest set-piece goals seen in World Cup so far. I mean, one curling into the upper left corner, followed by next one curling into upper right!! What more could you ask for, seeing the new Jabulani balls being put to work.

    I say, FIFA needs to take a long hard look at all qualifications spots they've been giving teams from Africa. On African soil itself, they've shown little aptitude, organization or discipline. Other than Ghana, not a single team manages to make it to second round. Instead teams from Asia like South Korea and Nippon are showing such strong performance on African soil. (Following the total dominance from teams from South America of course.) Even Australia which now qualifies from Asian zone, they gave a good fight to Srbija. New Zealand isn't even from Asian zone. They qualified from the weakest Oceania zone. They showed more heart than a number of these African teams. New Zealand is going home undefeated, having earned 3 draws in 3 matches and having scored 2 good goals against bigger opposition. That is the true Cinderella story of this tournament.

    I think FIFA needs to take away at least one qualification spot from Africa and award it to Asia for the good show their teams have put on.
     
  14. Chandu

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    I haven't been able to catch this video either from ESPN Sportscenter or on youtube. However, I've managed to find an equivalent version which shows the entire sequence started by Tim Howard. It is not an overhead shot, instead amateur filmed by someone in the stands.

    I would highly urge you to take a look at this video, it tells an epic story. It is textbook instruction material for coaches.

    [youtubehd]Y58uEHWLXxg[/youtubehd]

    This video is a beautiful illustration of offensive responsibilities on distribution for a goalkeeper. Anytime I hear clueless one-dimensional simpletons stating that the sole job of a goalkeeper is to stop goals, I get really, really upset. One of the greatest goalkeepers to have ever played, Peter Schmeichel (Danmark and for most part Manchester United), his biggest strength was doing great offensive distribution. His ability to setup incredibly fast goals on the other side of pitch on the dime, they were out of this world.

    Tim Howard truly was world class in his distribution there. Of course, I've seen him doing such great distribution work both for USA and Everton before, setting up big goals. I was hardly surprised.
     
  15. armophob

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    awhhhaww...yaaaaaaaaaaahhhhnnnnnnnn
     
  16. Chandu

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    Exactly, yeshshshshsha!!! Better translated as:

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    Meanwhile:

    Gathering around speakerphone for phone call from President Obama

    Obama congratulation call transcript

    31 more hours to go for kickoff, the countdown, baby!!!! Bring on Ghana!!!!!
     
  17. JACKIEGAGA

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    Go USA!!
     
  18. Chandu

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    Hardly surprising, as it's official now. All African teams except Ghana have dropped like flies. So, it's not just USA vs. Ghana tomorrow.

    Rather, now it is USA vs. the entire continent of Africa!!!

    Wow, on African soil can it get any more intense than that in terms of pressure!?!?!?!

    16 more hours to go for kickoff!!!
     
  19. Chandu

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    And finally rounding off the 1st round:

    Didn't quite work out that way. What a dope-head mistake by the Chilean goalkeeper! In a single moment of madness, he needlessly let his team down. They have qualified. But because of that stupidity, now they have daunting task of facing Brasil in the 2nd round instead of Portugal.

    I guess, the least they're satisfied with is it didn't turn out that way.

    All South American teams qualified to the 2nd round, which is a big achievement. In fact Chile losing to España was the only loss for a South American team. Late in the match, I kept hoping that Chile would score an equalizing goal and achieve undefeated 1st round record for South America. Whatever I guess. They seem to be happy just to have made it to next round.

    Now the real tournament starts!!!!!!!!
     
  20. camo

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    Actually it is a noxious Weeds grass one of the Arizona Range Grasses designed to keep foreign weeds from festering and taking ground in Arizona.
     

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