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2011-12 Season Ratings - Fall

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  1. Oct 13, 2011 #41 of 153
    phrelin

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    Here's Wednesday #4

    As expected, the rain delayed MLB playoff game screws with the ratings picture more than a bit. And Fox is taking more than a small risk by essentially forcing all its shows to rebuild an audience during October 27 - November 23 sweeps. I've used the average ratings to try to create some consistency. The problem is that the times are accurate for the East Coast, but not for the West and particularly for the West Coast where the game did not compete with the other networks prime time schedule. So while Fox may have gotten more viewers, they didn't necessarily get them in prime time.

    Looking at the rest of the networks, I don't see any significance to the numbers.
     
  2. Oct 14, 2011 #42 of 153
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    From the NY Times:
    Of course they have nowhere to go but down. On the other hand, the others are straining their necks looking up apparently without a clue.
     
  3. Oct 14, 2011 #43 of 153
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    While as noted above CBS set a record in high viewership ranking, Thursday #4 was NBC's worst in-season Thursday ever.

    ABC. After it's ratings came in, "Charlie's Angel" was canceled. I don't think that's going to help anything but the networks' bottom line. It's slowing declining "aging" Thursday lineup last year were as follows:

    Grey’s Anatomy 4.4/12 -11.9 million
    Private Practice 3.2/9 - 8.71million​

    Basically, ABC is #3 for the night.

    CBS. This network continues to hold its own. In a twist of irony, a rerun of "The Big Bang Theory" placed third in total viewers for the night behind a new "The Big Bang Theory" and "The Mentalist" while following closely behind in fourth highest for the night was the networks newbie "Person of Interest."

    Fox. The "X-Factor" lost in both the demo and total viewers to both the new and the rerun of "The Big Bang Theory." It did win the demo against "Person of Interest", though not in total viewers.

    The CW. Thursday night is still a good night for The CW.

    NBC. As I noted, it was not a good night for NBC.

    The venerable "The Office" led the night for the "must see TV" network with a ...oh, my... 3.2/8 - 6.05 million. Everything else had one-third fewer viewers. Last year it pulled 3.7/10 - 7.31 million.

    The network is even trying to give its 10:00 entry "Prime Suspects" a boost by also running reruns in place of canceled "Playboy Club" Monday night. The show is a decent police procedural but absent a miracle it won't get a full season. It pulled a pathetic 1.3/3 - 4.5 million.

    Two years ago on 10/15/2009 in that time slot, "The Jay Leno Show" drew 1.7/5 - 6.16 million. In retrospect, whoever made the choice to move Leno to 10:00, effectively reducing NBC to two hours a night like Fox, looks like a programming genius. And the network affiliates must be really happy they insisted on reducing the number of viewers in the lead-up to local news.:rolleyes:
     
  4. Oct 14, 2011 #44 of 153
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    Just to add to my comments on NBC really bad Thursday, they've schedule reruns of the lineup for next week.:confused:
     
  5. Oct 15, 2011 #45 of 153
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    So far, all the cancellations have been shows I either dumped from my SLs or had no intention of watching.

    Rich
     
  6. Oct 15, 2011 #46 of 153
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    Here's Friday #4.

    ABC. ABC has reduced its prime time programming to Sunday through Thursday, essentially abandoning Friday as well as Saturday.

    CBS. CBS still controls Friday night. But additional episode orders for "A Gifted Man" is in question. For comparison, two years ago 10/17/2009 in the 8:00 slot, "Ghost Whisper" pulled 2.0/7 - 8.21 million against a Yankees-Angels playoff game on Fox, an "Ugly Betty" season premier on ABC, a "Law & Order" on NBC and a "Smallville" on The CW.

    Fox. "Kitchen Nightmares" is a good affordable entry pulling a large enough audience to make a profit. "Fringe" not so much.

    The CW. Nothing to add to previous night's observations that the only strong night The CW has left is Thursday.

    NBC. On Friday 10/28/2011, NBC is offering up the season premier of "Chuck" at 8:00 and a series premier of "Grimm" at 9:00. I don't really understand this given the ratings situation the network is in and looking at the competition.

    "Chuck" would likely be good for 6-8 million viewers and a decent demo on any night but Friday. Beginning sweeps week, I'd stuff "Chuck" into 8:00 Wednesday, move "Up All Night" to Thursday at 8:30, and slot "Grimm" at 8:00 Friday keeping a two hour "Dateline" on Friday 9:00. But that's just me.
     
  7. Oct 16, 2011 #47 of 153
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    Very good thread. Excellent reading each day.
     
  8. Oct 16, 2011 #48 of 153
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    Yes, thanks for posting this. Is the info in html on a site somewhere handy?
     
  9. Oct 17, 2011 #49 of 153
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    Here's Sunday #4.

    ABC. The channel from Disney world didn't think through its Sunday night offering this Fall. Next week they are premiering "Once Upon a Time" in the 8:00 time slot that for four weeks "Extreme Makeover: Home Edition" pulled modest decent ratings.

    "Desperate Housewives" last year pulled 3.8/9 - 12.43 and the TV ratings pundits were talking about how low they were because of baseball playoffs plus Sunday Night Football. It was obvious from last year when the show pulled a 2.7/7 -8.83 on April 17, 2011 (the last Spring Sunday without various scheduling changes confusing ratings), a fairly obvious indicator that the show had lost a significant portion of its audience.

    "Pan Am." Unfortunately, this expensive-to-produce show with good story lines really never had a chance. The big question is will ABC pull it when they (a) have already pulled "Charlie's Angels" and (b) plan to introduce "Once Upon a Time" at 8:00 next week. And what can they put up against "Sunday Night Football" and "CSI: Miami"? (If they wait until football is over, they'll be looking at competing against "The Firm" on NBC starring Josh Lucas, Juliette Lewis, Molly Parker, and Callum Keith Rennie and actually produced by John Grissom.)

    CBS. Given the competition for this particular Sunday, it is clear that CBS still controls where the viewers are when they're not watching football.

    Fox. The shifted day episode of "The X-Factor" did fine in the demo.

    NBC. It's "Sunday Night Football" but Minnesota at Chicago apparently wasn't the draw like previous games.
     
  10. Oct 17, 2011 #50 of 153
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    I watched the first 2 episodes of Pan Am but finally bailed halfway through the 3rd. Just no substance to keep one interested.
     
  11. Oct 17, 2011 #51 of 153
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    So we have ratings for four weeks into the 2011 Fall season. Some shows have already been canceled and some probably will be. But how does each network do compared to the others? Here is a prime time chart from the past four weeks for Monday-Sunday without Saturday or 7:00 Sunday

    So far CBS has gotten the highest ratings. And NBC is #4. But this doesn't really tell us how the networks do in series/specials programming against each other because ABC and NBC bailed on Friday offering repeats and news shows, and Sunday simply doesn't reflect the effectiveness of the networks in finding appealing programming. The networks go head-to-almost-toe Monday through Thursday. Fox and The CW don't compete at 10:00 pm. But how are the non-sports, non-news programmers doing? Here's a chart.

    CBS is still on top, both in total viewers and in the 18-49 demo in all three hours. Sure their shows don't win every slot every night, but overall they don't give much ground at any time. And they do very well on Friday and ok on Sunday.

    NBC's demo is almost down to The CW.

    ABC has had some real hits and misses, but it could become more competitive quickly.

    Fox is struggling mostly with programming misses. Even MLB doesn't help, and it maybe even hurts. If the World Series doesn't generate really great ratings, someone is going to have to reconsider the commitment in the future. Sure, "American Idol" and "X-Factors" may keep the network in money, along with high retransmission fees, but....
     
  12. Oct 18, 2011 #52 of 153
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    And now for the coup de grâce for broadcast network programming non-visionaries. The 9 pm (6 pm Pacific Time) "Walking Dead" season premier on AMC Sunday night pulled 7.3 million viewers (4.8 million 18-49). All three airings seemed to find 11 million pairs of eyes total. If you check the Sunday night broadcast ratings above, you will note that only Sunday Night Football did better.

    Not only did it set records, it indicates again that it is possible to air a show on cable that will pull in the demo and total viewers and the network doesn't have to share revenue with some local station owner, most of whom won't promote local programming and cut local news funding anyway. Who needs them?

    And to the broadcast network programming non-visionaries - no we don't need five variations on a zombie theme, one on each broadcast network.
     
  13. Oct 18, 2011 #53 of 153
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    Here's Monday #5.

    Click on the image if you need a larger version of the table.[/CENTER]

    Fox. As I said about last week's ratings (highlighted in pink):
    In truth, the decision Fox made last week dealing with the baseball playoff hurt "Terra Nova" but did even more damage to "House." At some point, no matter how good the World Series ratings are, Fox is going to have to decide if it's a broadcast network offering prime time series TV or a sports network. No broadcast network can do it all well.

    CBS. IMHO the 8:00 - 10:00 ratings for half hour sitcoms are stunningly high across the board. And "2 Broke Girls" again gained over "HIMYM." At 10:00 "Hawaii Five-O" finds itself against tough competition from ABC's "Castle." Note that these are two crime procedurals but "Castle" offers a little humor/romantic interest in the mix.

    ABC. Some pundits noted "Dancing with the Stars" last year on 10/19/2010 pulled 4.0/10 - 19.33 million, but its ratings this year are on a par with the 2009 Fall Season.

    NBC. It's NBC, what can I say?

    The CW. On 10/19/2009, two years ago, the network had the following ratings:
    • 8:00 One Tree Hill 1.1/3 - 2.29 million
    • 9:00 Gossip Girl 1.0/2 - 1.93 million
    Something hasn't worked for The Cute Women network since then, though they may be getting their audience on line. The recent deal with Netflix gives the network more money and Netflix must think the audience is there.
     
  14. Oct 18, 2011 #54 of 153
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    That is amazing.

    I wonder if all the people that were saying why did DirecTV bother adding AMC HD will get it that many people watch it.

    I wonder how USA, TNT, AMC are doing with regards to ratings compared to the CW or NBC these days?

    Cheers
     
  15. Oct 18, 2011 #55 of 153
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    One night last week USA got better ratings than NBC which probably has Comcast's management wondering about their commitments to NBC.

    The top half dozen 9 pm cable shows on Sunday pulled about 20 million viewers. Of course that included at #1 "Walking Dead" and #2 the National League playoff game on TBS. But it indicates that if the cable channel owners keep improving their scheduling, they could become regularly competitive with broadcast TV. We are really at the point that cable/satellite homes are over 90% of homes.

    IMHO the visionless broadcast affiliate channel owners missed the one golden opportunity to remain competitive enterprises when things went digital. They should have insisted on contracts to broadcast in HD on subchannels USA (NBC), FX (Fox), ABC Family (ABC) and TNT (The CW), with the contracts allowing the affiliates to sell advertising. CBS lacks any non-premium cable channel, but if I had been owner of a CBS affiliate I would have looked at BBCA.

    Instead, the FCC wants to auction off some of their unused bandwidth.
     
  16. Oct 19, 2011 #56 of 153
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    Here's Tuesday #5.

    Fox. Fox ran "X-Factor" so we have no idea what the competition for the night really looks like. At 8:00 it did about the same in the demo as the last time "Glee" ran and at 9:00 it did a little worse in the demo as the last time "New Girl" ran. Interestingly it did better in total viewers than both those shows.

    CBS. The league leader continued to control the night. "Unforgettable" is holding it's own in the demo and viewers.
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    ABC. The sophomore week for "Last Man Standing" at 8:00 saw about a 20% drop in viewers and 15% drop in the demo as it appears the folks went to "X-Factor." The premier of "Man Up" at 8:30 didn't hold onto a lot of those viewers. "Body of Proof" remains in third place in the demo and second in viewers.

    NBC. "The Biggest Loser."

    Oh, one wrinkle is "Parenthood" which continues to be second in the demo at 10:00 despite the fact it only has 52% of the viewers of "Body of Proof." Next week just before sweeps starts, of course NBC will be running a rerun of the ratings loser "Prime Suspect" in the slot just in case "Parenthood" has a chance of gaining traction.:rolleyes:

    The CW. Since they picked up all their new shows despite the ratings, I don't know why I bother to comment. As usual, "The Ringer" at 9:00 gets slightly better ratings in the demo than the lead-in miserable ratings of "90210", but what should be noted is that total viewer ratings are higher indicating that "The Ringer" does get some folks older than 49.
     
  17. Oct 19, 2011 #57 of 153
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    Parenthood is one of only a couple watchable shows on NBC in the past decade. I'd hate to see NBC mess around with it.
     
  18. Oct 20, 2011 #58 of 153
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    My wife and I agree.

    Here's Wednesday #5.

    The four networks other than Fox had pretty much normal ratings for Wednesday this Fall. Which brings us to Fox and the World Series....

    What I've shown is the preliminary World Series half-hour ratings until 10:00. I chosen this approach as the ratings indicate viewership across the nation, but they don't accurately reflect competition in time slots. The World Series on Fox wasn't even in prime time on the West Coast.

    It appears that the final ratings will be lower than Game 1 of San Francisco vs. Texas last year which averaged 4.7/14 - 15.01 million.

    When you evaluate these ratings, you have to recognize that the Fox affiliates in the West don't get the full benefit. In San Francisco, the Fox affiliate KTVU showed two "Friends" in the 8:00 hour and a news special "Second Look: 20th Anniversary of the Oakland Hills Fire" in the 9:00 hour, the latter being smart programming, but tonight that hour will be "Seinfeld" reruns. Sure, there were more eyes on the station 5:00 to 7:30, but KTVU did not get the benefit of the programming that the East Coast affiliates received. However...

    Last year the World Series started a week later, Oct. 27, 2010, with Game 2 airing on the first night of the Fall Nielsen Sweeps period. This year, even if the Series goes to 7 games, none will be during Fall Sweeps. Why is this important? From Wikipedia:
    Fox affiliates and the Network itself this year are going to be holding their collective breaths going into week 1 of November Sweeps.

    This is because most West Coast and non-MLB fans in other regions will have been watching other channels during prime time on some nights over the prior three weeks. How many of those viewers will decide they like what's on the other channels on at least some of the nights and not go back to Fox could be a significant financial issue.
     
  19. Oct 21, 2011 #59 of 153
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    Here's Thursday #5.

    Fox. I've shown the preliminary World Series half-hour ratings until 10:00. It appears that the final ratings will be down from last year's (10/28/10) game 2 San Francisco vs. Texas 14.13 million- 4.0/10. Otherwise, see my comments on yesterday's ratings.

    CBS. CBS dominated the night in total viewers and pretty much in the demo. While NBC ran reruns, CBS premiered "Rules of Engagement" at 8:30 pulling a good demo and total viewers.

    ABC. While ABC burned off a remaining "Charlie's Angels" episodes against the World Series at 8:00, their remaining lineup continued at about the same ratings as previous weeks.

    NBC ran all reruns. We won't know if that was a good move until two weeks from tonight during Sweeps.

    The CW's Thursday lineup held it's position as the network's best night.
     
  20. Oct 22, 2011 #60 of 153
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    Here's Friday #5.

    ABC premiered "Extreme Makeover: Home Edition" in its new time slot. Some headlines implied that the night was a win for ABC because it tied CBS in the race for the demo. Yeah, about that....

    On Sunday February 20 at 8:00 "EMHE" pulled 2.4/7 - 9.568 million against a season premier of "Amazing Race" on CBS. Last night the Friday 8:00 time slot premier of "EMHE" against fairly weak competition pulled 1.1/4 - 5.09 million.

    In fact, despite those headlines about a win for ABC, it was "20/20" with a demo of 2.1/6 that gave it a tie with CBS.

    IMHO ABC has wasted "EMHE" on Friday. But maybe I'll be proved wrong next week when NBC premiers "Chuck" at 8:00.

    CBS. In terms of total viewers for the three time slots combined, CBS pulled its highest number since premier week with 30.13 million and the same demo total as the past two weeks, 4.7. This Friday ABC was in no way a challenge to the CBS control for Friday as it pulled a total of 18.75 million viewers. In the first two hours of the night in the demo CBS pulled 1.2 & 1.8 compared to ABC 1.1 & 1.7.

    "A Gifted Man" had its best night since premier week while "NCIS: NY" had its best night this Fall. "Blue Bloods" didn't do so well against the real life NY drama on "20/20" - a piece about the wife of Bernie Madoff's late son who committed suicide. Apparently a real body count can attract American's away from a fictional body count.

    Fox for whatever reason ran a rerun of "Fringe."

    NBC's "Dateline" did even worse than normal against "20/20" at 10:00. Next week, on the first night of Nielsen November Sweeps, the NoBody Cares network will offer the season premier of "Chuck" at 8:00 and the series premier of "Grimm" to compete for the few Americans ages 18-49 who stay home and watch broadcast network TV on Friday.

    The CW had a fairly normal Friday night which this year means not so good.

    For a comparison to gauge what TV's are tuned to what on Friday, last week at 8:00 "Wizards of Waverly Place" on the Disney Channel pulled 4.1 million viewers followed by "Make Your Mark" at 8:30 with 4.2 million. At 10:00 Disney's "Jessie" had 3.9 million and even HBO's "Real Time with Bill Maher" had 1.1 million.
     

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